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David Stern replied " No way" when asked if Ron Artest would be allowed to come back for the playoffs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2018945

Stern acknowledged that he had considered shortening Artest's suspension.

"At a certain point in the last week or two we decided the most important thing here is Ron's return to the NBA and the best path for that is through a program in which he's now engaged," Stern told The Star.
After leaving the door open for Ron Artest's possible return to the NBA this season, commissioner David Stern closed off that possibility on Monday.

"Our goal is to do everything we possibly can to ensure Ron's return to the NBA next season is as smooth as it can possibly be," Stern told The Indianapolis Star.

"There's a lot of things we're participating in to that end and we're confident he'll be back as a contributing member of the Pacers and the NBA next season."
 

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I think it's a ***** *** move by Stern, as soon as he saw that the Pacers would make the playoffs he said Artest wouldn't be allowed to play in the playoffs.

*edited: No masked cursing*
 

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The 100% right decision. Can't believe he ever considered lessening the suspension.
 

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The 100% right decision. Can't believe he ever considered lessening the suspension.
Artest penalty was too harsh IMO. Stern was just playing favourites by only giving Ben Wallace 6 games and Artest gets 70+. Thats BS by the NBA.
 
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Can't believe he ever considered lessening the suspension.
Me too. The guy's a complete retard, it's shocking that he would think about doing the right thing.
 

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This wasn't an isolated incident w/ Artest, he's been completely out of control for quite some time. David Stern has been very clear in the past that continued transgressions get you harsher penalties. And you know what? His stance has worked. Kmart, Sheed, etc. Artest needed a bigtime smackdown to let him know that he's got to shape up or there won't be a place for him in the NBA. Stern's been plenty patient w/ him in the past. You just can't attack spectators and precipitate a riot. Its entirely unacceptable, no matter how you were provoked. Behaviour like that can take down a league, and its Stern's job not to let that happen. Artest is not someone you can give an inch to, he will take the mile. No way you can let him play in the playoffs. The lesson would be lost. Make him and the team really pay w/ their season, and the likelihood of something like it happening again goes down dramatically.
 

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David Stern has been very clear in the past that continued transgressions get you harsher penalties. And you know what? His stance has worked. Kmart, Sheed, etc.
When did KMart and Sheed miss 70+ games, it's not like Artest lead the league year after year in technical fouls or flagrant fouls, yet Kmart gets a slap on the wrist, and when Rasheed was smoking weed where was "harsh penalty"?
 

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When did KMart and Sheed miss 70+ games, it's not like Artest lead the league year after year in technical fouls or flagrant fouls, yet Kmart gets a slap on the wrist, and when Rasheed was smoking weed where was "harsh penalty"?
When did Kmart and Sheed charge into the stands to attack an innocent spectator (who probably paid $200 for his seat) and precipitate a riot? Where's your sense of scale? Flagrants a smoking weed don't compare even remotely to what Artest did. Artest's actions threatened the league as a whole. If the fans are afraid of coming to the game because they think (reasonably or not) a player might attack them, you've got a big problem. If you are going to argue a point, come up w/ something that makes sense. Don't just throw out anything you can think of to distract from the original point.
 

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If the fans are afraid of coming to the game because they think (reasonably or not) a player might attack them, you've got a big problem.
A cup of beer isn't thrown at every game, which means that once in 59 years a fan has been attacked....,. im sure fans are freaking out about going to games.
 

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SeaNet said:
When did Kmart and Sheed charge into the stands to attack an innocent spectator (who probably paid $200 for his seat) and precipitate a riot? Where's your sense of scale? Flagrants a smoking weed don't compare even remotely to what Artest did. Artest's actions threatened the league as a whole. If the fans are afraid of coming to the game because they think (reasonably or not) a player might attack them, you've got a big problem. If you are going to argue a point, come up w/ something that makes sense. Don't just throw out anything you can think of to distract from the original point.
If the fans are afraid of a player attacking them when they throw objects at them then god help us. If I was on the street working as lets say street advertiser and someone threw a drink at me, I would fight them too.
 

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A cup of beer isn't thrown at every game, which means that once in 59 years a fan has been attacked....,. im sure fans are freaking out about going to games.
I see you didn't take my advice above. I will attempt to piece together a cogent meaning from your post, nevertheless. The issue is not the fans throwing a beer. The issue is Artest's response and the riot it precipitated.
 

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I see you didn't take my advice above. I will attempt to piece together a cogent meaning from your post, nevertheless. The issue is not the fans throwing a beer. The issue is Artest's response and the riot it precipitated.
You said fans would be scared to go to games becasue they would think they would get attacked, I responded by saying, only one fan has been attacked in 59 years therefore i don't think any fan would be scared to go to a game.
 

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If the fans are afraid of a player attacking them when they throw objects at them then god help us. If I was on the street working as lets say street advertiser and someone threw a drink at me, I would fight them too.
So two wrongs make a right? The riot threatened many people other than the beer thrower, btw/. As for walking down the street and getting a beer thrown at you, the situations are not comparable. Artest had the power of 'the man' behind him. Part of his $7 mil salary is to keep it in his pants as a representative of the NBA and let security handle it. His response was to precipitate a riot. How is that acceptable?
 

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I see you didn't take my advice above. I will attempt to piece together a cogent meaning from your post, nevertheless. The issue is not the fans throwing a beer. The issue is Artest's response and the riot it precipitated.
So what if a fan kidnapped Artest's mom and got Ron's attention then started to rape her, should Ron not react at all then? Fact is that the fan who threw the cup started the riot, like it or not. Should Artest have kept himself under control (like he had up to that point), yeah of course. But that doesn't make it ok to suspend him the entire season.
 

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How many people do you know that are actually afraid of going to an NBA game?
 

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SeaNet said:
When did Kmart and Sheed charge into the stands to attack an innocent spectator (who probably paid $200 for his seat) and precipitate a riot? Where's your sense of scale? Flagrants a smoking weed don't compare even remotely to what Artest did. Artest's actions threatened the league as a whole. If the fans are afraid of coming to the game because they think (reasonably or not) a player might attack them, you've got a big problem. If you are going to argue a point, come up w/ something that makes sense. Don't just throw out anything you can think of to distract from the original point.
If a fan runs out onto a field of play, in the middle of a huge altercation, the fan should be aware of the possible consequences. Artest didn't really attack anyone in the stands. He contrained a man and asked him if he thew a beer, then he was attacked. Then Jackson attacked a fan in the stands. Then Artest went back to the court. Then a fan approached Artest and Artest hit the man. After that, another fan tackled Artest, and Jermaine O'neal proceded to punch the man that had tackled Artest and was about to attack Artest again.
 

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So what if a fan kidnapped Artest's mom and got Ron's attention then started to rape her, should Ron not react at all then? Fact is that the fan who threw the cup started the riot, like it or not.

Yeah, um, that didn't happen. And you know what? If Ron Artest went and killed the person who did that instead of letting the police handle it, he would be prosecuted for Manslaughter at a minimum. Whether you think its right or not, that's the way the world works.
 

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So two wrongs make a right? The riot threatened many people other than the beer thrower, btw/. As for walking down the street and getting a beer thrown at you, the situations are not comparable. Artest had the power of 'the man' behind him. Part of his $7 mil salary is to keep it in his pants as a representative of the NBA and let security handle it. His response was to precipitate a riot. How is that acceptable?
Actually you don't have a clue what his contract says, he is a human first, and a basketball player second. So he reacted in the way that most humans would react.
 

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Yeah, um, that didn't happen. And you know what? If Ron Artest went and killed the person who did that instead of letting the police handle it, he would be prosecuted for Manslaughter at a minimum. Whether you think its right or not, that's the way the world works.
I'm fairly certain a plea of insanity would get him acquitted if he killed a man that he first handly witnessed raping his mom, or he argue he was defending his mother.
 

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SeaNet said:
I see you didn't take my advice above. I will attempt to piece together a cogent meaning from your post, nevertheless. The issue is not the fans throwing a beer. The issue is Artest's response and the riot it precipitated.
I guess if I came to work and threw a beer in your face, you would just sit there right?

*edited: Inappropriate*
 
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