Professional and College Basketball Forums banner

1 - 20 of 25 Posts

·
Moderator/Head Decepticon
Joined
·
7,624 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Matthew Murray (devestata) www.BASKETBALLBOARDS.net Writer

July 14, 2002

What does the future hold for the Clippers? It seems certain the Clippers organization is not good at resigning people, and Elgin Baylor has been a lotto veteran in recent years. It now seems sure that Baylor's mind has to be set on signing players such as Elton Brand, Darius Miles, Michael Olowokandi, and Quentin Richardson. With that said, where in the world will Chris Wilcox or Melvin Ely, the Clippers two first round picks in the 2002 NBA Draft ever get a chance to play? Baylor has said he drafted frontcourt because they need to hold up with the Lakers. We all have to ask this question: Is this true? My answer: Doubtful. If you are a Clipper Fan and looking to see Elton Brand or Michael Olowokandi signed, It looks like all hopes are over. I would assume Chris Wilcox and Melvin Ely would take over at the 4 and 5 now. We shall see...

It's become certain that the Clippers were heavy favorites to be the suprise team last year, and they almost pulled out a playoff berth. Let's face it, if the Clippers will be drafting good players and never sign them, how will they ever keep a team chemistry? Simple answer is: They can't, and they won't. Rumors also circulating is Baylor has told Darius Miles he will not be getting the max either. Now, who will the money be going too, you ask? The answer is, no one. I don't know if it's Baylor's mind that works weird, or is it just the Clippers do not want to win? We have to face facts here, with the Front Office they have now, no one will ever be signed to any big contract.

Chris Wilcox, and Melvin Ely will eventually end up being somewhere else, just like Derek Anderson, and all the other one year Clippers. If anything at all, you can expect to see the Clippers make another run this year, but fall short, because they will not have a stud Center like they did last year in Olowokandi. If this team doesn't turn around the direction they are in now, they will never be contenders, and Elgin Baylor will continue to be an NBA Lottery veteran.

Matthew Murray: Contact Matthew Murray: [email protected].
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
920 Posts
Doesn't the league have a soft cap? I thought you could go over the cap to resign your own players. Elgin Baylor has told Donald to give Michael Olowokandi the max. In all likelihood they will probably also max out Elton Brand. Darius Miles is still a project. I wouldnt max him out either if I was Donald.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,356 Posts
A little short...but good overall :)
 

·
Moderator/Head Decepticon
Joined
·
7,624 Posts
Discussion Starter #4
Originally posted by Wilt_The_Stilt
A little short...but good overall :)
lol thanks...not too much to talk about right now, articles should get longer when the season starts.:D
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
983 Posts
Nice job writing the article, but I disagree with the content of it.

The rumor about Miles and the MAX is a stupid one(Im saying the rumor is, not you for talking about it).

A). It comes out of a NY paper, without any sort of Clipper rep quote.

B). Miles is not up for FA for another 2 years. NOBODY is even discussing a contract right now, because Miles isn't even close to getting a new one. And, we are years away from knowing if he's worth the MAX or not. Nobody in the organization is going to comment on a contract for Miles, because it's not even being discussed by his agent or anyone.

C). That article comes AFTER sterling does an interview saying he's going to pay his players. And this is the 2nd time since Miles rookie year he's done so.

D) The Clippers are the single most tight lipped organization in the NBA. Sterling and Baylor run things, and both are guys who do not give away any sort of info, even in friendly talks with reporters and such. They do a fantastic job of keeping the teams affairs within the organization. There's no way that someone in the organization talks about Miles' contract to the media, especially since a contract for Miles isnt coming up for another couple years.

And I do not like the inclusion of Derek Anderson in the article. You make it sound like the Clippers should have kept him. Anderson wanted a MAX contract. Do you think he was worth it? I certainly dont. No other team thought he was worth it either. SA gave him an exception, then Portland gave him a solid deal. Yet, people criticize the Clippers cuz they didnt pay him the MAX. What, should they just pay him double what he deserves just to get people off their backs? Certainly not. Anderson is a decent player, but is not worth the MAX, and thats what it was going to take to keep him. It was a fantastic decision to let him go.

And Melvin Ely and Chris Wilcox will have no influence on Brand and Kandi. Donald STerling AFTER drafting Wilcox, has said his plan is to give Brand a MAX contract. Sterling would not make that type of comment to the LA Times if he were not going to do it, especially since Brand can sign an extension right now. He will pay Brand.

There is such a thing as depth. Wilcox and Ely bring depth. The Clippers had depth everywhere but up front. They now add depth up front, and the get criticized. What, should they have taken an 8th swingman? If they did that, they'd be criticized for that too.

The Clippers can never win with the media. No matter what they do, they lose. They shore up the teams biggest weakness, they get criticized. They sign a 2nd round pick of 2 years ago to a contract that makes him the 2nd highest paid international rookie, and they still get criticized for never spending money and for not trading for a PG.
Everyone likes to jump on the Clips cuz they were once easy targets. Back then all the criticism was justified. Now, it's just getting ridiculous.

Nicely written article, but I dont like the info used.
 

·
Moderator/Head Decepticon
Joined
·
7,624 Posts
Discussion Starter #6
Originally posted by RD
Nice job writing the article, but I disagree with the content of it.

The rumor about Miles and the MAX is a stupid one(Im saying the rumor is, not you for talking about it).

A). It comes out of a NY paper, without any sort of Clipper rep quote.

B). Miles is not up for FA for another 2 years. NOBODY is even discussing a contract right now, because Miles isn't even close to getting a new one. And, we are years away from knowing if he's worth the MAX or not. Nobody in the organization is going to comment on a contract for Miles, because it's not even being discussed by his agent or anyone.

C). That article comes AFTER sterling does an interview saying he's going to pay his players. And this is the 2nd time since Miles rookie year he's done so.

D) The Clippers are the single most tight lipped organization in the NBA. Sterling and Baylor run things, and both are guys who do not give away any sort of info, even in friendly talks with reporters and such. They do a fantastic job of keeping the teams affairs within the organization. There's no way that someone in the organization talks about Miles' contract to the media, especially since a contract for Miles isnt coming up for another couple years.

And I do not like the inclusion of Derek Anderson in the article. You make it sound like the Clippers should have kept him. Anderson wanted a MAX contract. Do you think he was worth it? I certainly dont. No other team thought he was worth it either. SA gave him an exception, then Portland gave him a solid deal. Yet, people criticize the Clippers cuz they didnt pay him the MAX. What, should they just pay him double what he deserves just to get people off their backs? Certainly not. Anderson is a decent player, but is not worth the MAX, and thats what it was going to take to keep him. It was a fantastic decision to let him go.

And Melvin Ely and Chris Wilcox will have no influence on Brand and Kandi. Donald STerling AFTER drafting Wilcox, has said his plan is to give Brand a MAX contract. Sterling would not make that type of comment to the LA Times if he were not going to do it, especially since Brand can sign an extension right now. He will pay Brand.

There is such a thing as depth. Wilcox and Ely bring depth. The Clippers had depth everywhere but up front. They now add depth up front, and the get criticized. What, should they have taken an 8th swingman? If they did that, they'd be criticized for that too.

The Clippers can never win with the media. No matter what they do, they lose. They shore up the teams biggest weakness, they get criticized. They sign a 2nd round pick of 2 years ago to a contract that makes him the 2nd highest paid international rookie, and they still get criticized for never spending money and for not trading for a PG.
Everyone likes to jump on the Clips cuz they were once easy targets. Back then all the criticism was justified. Now, it's just getting ridiculous.

Nicely written article, but I dont like the info used.
Eh, I only use rumors I hear from inside sources (bootlegsports.com) and from other people. Everyone always seems to hear different rumors, and all these news writers like Sam Smith get a bad rep for it. I didn't know about Derek Anderson, I just used him as the example of may unsigned Clippers. BTW, IMO, I don't think Wilcox and Ely will be staying in Clipper land too long, cause they are both starters somewhere, and you say Brand is resigning, Wilcox is just too damn good to sit on the bench. I understand maybe the text I used was a little controversial, but basically all news writers articles are just there own opinion. Will have better articles when the season starts.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,236 Posts
Interesting article. I also like the brevity of the article, as long-winded ones usually help me to lose interest.

With that said, I liked the reply by RD, as it was also well written.

My own personal view of the Clipper organization(I use that word loosely in conjunction with Mr. Sterling's franchise) is that Elgin always drafts well and Mr. Sterling, being the tight wad he is, usually will not loosen his purse strings to keep "the at least 40 good - to great players" that have slipped through the Clipper sails.

I really don't expect to see Kandi or Brand in a Clipper uniform too long.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
924 Posts
Here is your Article with corrected spelling and grammar

Yeah that really contributes to the discussion, eh ? -DP :rolleyes:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
147 Posts
I'll just answer the subject question...


Hopfully resign Kandi and Bran (when the time comes)


If Odom has the kind of season everyone in the NBA (even his critics) know he is capable of, Miles may not be nessasarry.

Im not saying that I hope the Clips loose him, I just think they wont be able to keep him.


Then win a championship or 2 or even 3.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
18 Posts
I won't be as nice as RD.


This article was pure, 100%, unadulterated trash.

Also, to whoever is spamming this particular "article" (I use the term loosely) can you please stop? Or at the very least, spamming it once is sufficient---there is no need to spam boards with the same drivel every day.

Thanks.


XL
 

·
Moderator/Head Decepticon
Joined
·
7,624 Posts
Originally posted by Living XL
I won't be as nice as RD.


This article was pure, 100%, unadulterated trash.

Also, to whoever is spamming this particular "article" (I use the term loosely) can you please stop? Or at the very least, spamming it once is sufficient---there is no need to spam boards with the same drivel every day.

Thanks.


XL
OK, you wanna tell me what's wrong here? I <b><strikeout>hate people like you</strikeout></b>

<font color=blue>* devestata, you are a moderator here, and know the protocol. People can vehemently disagree with another's opinions - but you know that you can't outright say that you hate someone on this forum, for that falls under the 'personal attack' category. Yes, he didn't like your article, and was quite blunt about that, but there was no outright name-calling there. * - Silk</font>

who come here and try and talk about what other people post, if you think you're so damn smart, why don't you post one of your own. In case you didn't see my post up there: EVERYONE HAS THERE OWN POINT OF VIEWS. NOT EVERYONE WILL HAVE THE SAME OPINION AS EVERYONE ELSE. :upset:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,887 Posts
Living XL anymore posts putting down other posters opinions wont be accepted.

If you have a problem with the article, post your reasons why with supporting facts. These articles are welcomed to be debated but put some effort if you dissagree with it.

By the way great article Devestata.
 

·
Moderator/Head Decepticon
Joined
·
7,624 Posts
Discussion Starter #13
Thanks, and I clearly stated on the other board I put this on that "I'm just starting out, so try and keep all comments civil" or something along those lines...
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
920 Posts
Originally posted by Living XL
I won't be as nice as RD.


This article was pure, 100%, unadulterated trash.

Also, to whoever is spamming this particular "article" (I use the term loosely) can you please stop? Or at the very least, spamming it once is sufficient---there is no need to spam boards with the same drivel every day.

Thanks.


XL
Why you gotta act like that? And what are you talking about with the whole spamming thing?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
983 Posts
Originally posted by JUNKIE
Living XL anymore posts putting down other posters opinions wont be accepted.

If you have a problem with the article, post your reasons why with supporting facts. These articles are welcomed to be debated but put some effort if you dissagree with it.

Now I may be missing something, but what was so wrong with his post?

He disagreed with the article. And he said why. That info used for the article(the NY paper) was written with no truth to it, and that's been proven.

He didn't cuss or call anyone names. When people put out articles, you have to be able to take an opinion that is different from yours. He didnt call him names and didnt use vulgar language. So I dont understand the need for a 'warning.' He's free to give his opinion in any way he wants, as long as he abides by the rules, and I honestly can say that I dont see one thing he did wrong.

As for the basis of his post - He is knocking is the info used. Common sense tells you that that article devestata refers to is complete garbage. There is absolutely no truth to it, and me personally, I can't see how anyone could actually believe the article and repeat it. As I said before, common sense tells you that the article has no truth to it. No team talks about a player being worth this or that, when he's 3 years away from being a UFA. Especially a player that is 2 years removed from HS, and everyone knows they won't begin to be a star until the very end of the contract.
That is what Living XL is bothered by - The quoting of an article that is complete garbage. And I am bothered by it too. But since Im cool with devestata and have no problems with him, I didn't have the exact same reaction. Since the article is written off of info that is obviously false, thats why he says the article is garbage. He explained why he doesn't like it.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
983 Posts
Originally posted by Malakian


Why you gotta act like that? And what are you talking about with the whole spamming thing?
He's rerring to the article devestata refers to in his article. The article is garbage, and people continue to pass it around(spam) like it's truthful. And just by using your head, you can tell the article has no truth to it.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,887 Posts
Maybe I was a little rough on him but that's really not a great way to post your first time here.

"This article was pure, 100%, unadulterated trash"

Reading it over I can see that he was saying referring to the article which Dev was referring to.

I appologize to you Living XL for taking your text out of context. You guys must understand that we wont be accepting any of the stuff that was happening at nbadraft.net.

I have no problem saying when I was wrong and I did over react in this situation.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
983 Posts
There's no need to apologize to me. It's not a big deal. I know it's tough to know where to draw the line because at the old board there was no line.
 

·
Moderator/Head Decepticon
Joined
·
7,624 Posts
Discussion Starter #19
Well, I didn't get that out of a New York Newspaper, I just needed something to write about, but I guess I will wait until the season starts up until there is actually something to talk about. I agree some of the article may be "garbage", but you have to agree to some extent that the history of the Clippers, there is a good chance Kandi and Brand won't be back in a Clippers uniform.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
983 Posts
Sure, the Clippers have a bad history.

But, whats happening now is completely different.

The defections of the past have been guys who do not want to be Clippers or guys who have asked to be extremely overpaid. It hasn't really been the team just letting them go.

Now, the team has guys worth big salaries and guys that want to play in LA. It's a completely different situation.

And I do disagree that there is a good chance Brand and Kandi end up elsewhere. Could it happen? Sure. But I would not say there is a good chance of it happening.
 
1 - 20 of 25 Posts
Top