Big men this summer

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cpawfan

Discussion Starter · Apr 10, 2006

The Nuggets face some big decisions this summer on what to do with their big men.

Nene - He hired a new agent and I'm expecting a sign and trade for him

Elson - With his recent play, it is likely another team will want to overpay him this summer. If the Nuggets lose him, they will need to find another 7 footer this summer. If he isn't too expensive, I would like to see him back.

Evans - I believe Karl really likes him and would want him resigned. The only problem is that w/o Bird rights, the Nuggets will have to use part of the MLE to resign him. I definitely want to see him back.

Najera - I'm a huge Eddie Energy fan, but with Evans and Kleiza, is their still room for Eddie?

Kenyon - With his big contract and continuing injury problems, I can see reasons for wanting to trade him; however, with his value so low at this point, it is probably better to give him the off season to improve the knee and see what he does next season. It has been a very tough 2 seasons to be a Kenyon fan.

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darth-horax

· #2 · Apr 10, 2006

I've always supported KMart, but you can't pay a guy his huge numbers with all the injuries he gets. 1/3 of the year, let's give him 1/3 of the pay.

I think Eddie will have to go. If we can sign him at a low price, he'd be nice to keep. However, Elson has proven his worth in the starting lineup. Elson gets the edge.

Nene will need to either be traded or signed to a 2 year deal. Let him prove he's healthy and commanding of a big time contract before throwing the barn at him.

Camby NEEDS to be resigned...nuff said.

Evans is a sane Dennis Rodman...sign him again.

nbanoitall

· #3 · Apr 11, 2006

darth-horax said:
Camby NEEDS to be resigned...nuff said.

that was last year.

personally, id keep both najera and evans.

then to replace elson, you could go with taj gray or justin williams in the 2nd round this year.

Nene is definiately a sign and trade.

kenyon is on the block too.

camby, i wouldnt shop, but id listen for deals, just to see if anyone would sweeten the pot enough.

thats how i feel about andre miller too. dont shop him, because likely somebody will want him. if they do, i reccommend listening.

actually, i feel pretty much that way about anyone but Melo.

I want to see a solid young core built around him. Guys like Evans are nice role players to have around him.

Id be lying if I didnt say I wouldnt want Denver to get into the first round to snag a two guard like Richard Roby or Maurice Ager.

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cpawfan

Discussion Starter · #4 · Apr 11, 2006

nbanoitall said:
then to replace elson, you could go with taj gray or justin williams in the 2nd round this year.

Williams maybe, but without Nene and Elson, the Nuggets would be very short in the front court with Kenyon, Najera, Evans and Kleiza

kenyon is on the block too.

If he plays in the playoffs like I hope he does, then he'll have decent trade value, but right now it would be a case of buying high and selling low.

nbanoitall

· #5 · Apr 11, 2006

cpawfan said:
Williams maybe, but without Nene and Elson, the Nuggets would be very short in the front court with Kenyon, Najera, Evans and Kleiza

If he plays in the playoffs like I hope he does, then he'll have decent trade value, but right now it would be a case of buying high and selling low.

when camby isnt healthy, then we would be a little small, but ive seen some small lineups out there this year.

id be ok with it personally. i like williams a lot. period, lots of upside. taj, can block shots and rebound, he's also a body that can defend "larger" guys.

i dont want to overspend for a big. id rather do what i suggested. now getting a cheap one in a trade is an option. if the packages for Paul Pierce start coming up in trade talk again (w/ a Nene sign a trade deal) id try and get Kendrick Perkins back too. I like him.

pac4eva5

· #6 · Apr 11, 2006

i wouldnt mind giving up k-mart, elson, nene, some picks and some money for pierce

and even tho cpaw says trading martin would be a bad idea because we'd get nothing, thats fine with me. the SALARY alone is worth dumping for free...

i just hope kiki drafts right. he sucks at this...

pac4eva5

· #7 · Apr 11, 2006 (Edited by Moderator)

btw, najera and evans should be left over. get another big through FA or whatever. nene and k we can shop. get rid of elsons *edit ***. one game means nothing...

cpawfan

Discussion Starter · #8 · Apr 11, 2006

pac4eva5 said:
i wouldnt mind giving up k-mart, elson, nene, some picks and some money for pierce

and even tho cpaw says trading martin would be a bad idea because we'd get nothing, thats fine with me. the SALARY alone is worth dumping for free...

i just hope kiki drafts right. he sucks at this...

It isn't like the Nuggets are going to get significantly under the cap with Melo's extension coming up and taking back salary for Nene in an S&T. Dumping his salary accomplishes nothing.

darth-horax

· #9 · Apr 11, 2006

Trade Nene and Najera for Paul Pierce. We have Kleiza and Elson (who's value is higher than thought). Elson is a capable, cheap big man...when we start him, we win. It's that simple. Keep him. He's only going to improve.

We'd probably have to throw in our first rounders from this year to make that work, so do it.

I think we could grab Roby...and that woudl be suhweet!

PP would solve the 2 guard problem. We'd still be large in the front court.

Unfortunately I don't see KMart going anywhere as we'd have to get a spoonfull of jell-o and some Krispy Kreme's for him. His contract is huge, but it's not as huge as it used to be. Wait on his rehab this year, let him get some rest, and see what he does. It may just be worth the wait...especially if we keep him coming off of the bench. That may be the best thing for him AND the team. His coming off of the bench will give us energy and depth. Imagine another team's PF getting hounded by Camby/Elson for 8 minutes just to look up and see KMart coming on to guard him.

Wow...

I just wonder what plans are in place for Dermarr Johnson? I've always like him, and he's good when he plays.

Karl just needs to give the young brotha some PT.

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pac4eva5

· #10 · Apr 12, 2006

cpawfan said:
It isn't like the Nuggets are going to get significantly under the cap with Melo's extension coming up and taking back salary for Nene in an S&T. Dumping his salary accomplishes nothing.

$9 million is still $9 million. NO WAY pierce or another star have a shot at this team with k...

and nene's S&T doesnt matter because the (HELLO!!!) trade...????

denversfiinest

· #11 · Apr 12, 2006

K-Mart has, like it has been already said, not very much value, so if he does not come up very big on the Playoffs, I don't see him getting traded for sth. that would help us. I would like to keep all the big men. Nene has to improve and I guess, if he stayed here, he would. Webber needed his time to became a little better, so I hope this happens to K-Mart next year. Evans is just crazy and even without a lot of playing time he makes a lot for us. Najera is a hustle player and thats always great for a team. That Eason guy is always a good player and has been even a good starter. I'd like to keep them all even more because we have so much injury-loving players on the frontcourt. But that is unfortunatly not very possible

cpawfan

Discussion Starter · #12 · Apr 12, 2006

pac4eva5 said:
$9 million is still $9 million. NO WAY pierce or another star have a shot at this team with k...

and nene's S&T doesnt matter because the (HELLO!!!) trade...????

Do you understand how the salary cap works? Trades have to be balanced for salary which means that trading Nene away will require the Nuggets to take back salary unless they trade him to a team so far under the cap that they don't have to send salary back which likely won't happen.

Same applies for Kenyon. His salary would have to be matched in a trade, so the Nuggets would have to wait an entire year to get any benefit of trading him for expiring contracts which would significantly hurt the team during the season.

As far as the dollars, the Nuggets wouldn't be far enough under the cap to sign a big time FA outright, even if they completely made Kenyon's salary disappear. This means the only way they could acquire someone like Pierce is through a trade, which again, requires salaries to match.

nbanoitall

· #13 · Apr 12, 2006

cpawfan said:
Do you understand how the salary cap works? Trades have to be balanced for salary which means that trading Nene away will require the Nuggets to take back salary unless they trade him to a team so far under the cap that they don't have to send salary back which likely won't happen.

Same applies for Kenyon. His salary would have to be matched in a trade, so the Nuggets would have to wait an entire year to get any benefit of trading him for expiring contracts which would significantly hurt the team during the season.

As far as the dollars, the Nuggets wouldn't be far enough under the cap to sign a big time FA outright, even if they completely made Kenyon's salary disappear. This means the only way they could acquire someone like Pierce is through a trade, which again, requires salaries to match.

its a soft cap and we will be over it.... my understanding is we will have the MLE, no vet exception this year, and a second round pick this summer.

so what he is saying is true, if you want a "star" your going to have to acquire him through a trade or sign and trade

AK-47

· #14 · Apr 12, 2006

You guys are screwed, and no one will want to pay Kmart that much. In 2010 he will be making 16 mil

darth-horax

· #15 · Apr 12, 2006

We're screwed? We won the division!

You guys have Mehmet Okur...

pac4eva5

· #16 · Apr 13, 2006

nbanoitall said:
its a soft cap and we will be over it.... my understanding is we will have the MLE, no vet exception this year, and a second round pick this summer.

so what he is saying is true, if you want a "star" your going to have to acquire him through a trade or sign and trade

yea, last time i checked, everybody wanted a "star" or close to it at SG. this is the only way it gets done...

AK-47

· #17 · Apr 13, 2006

darth-horax said:
We're screwed? We won the division!

You guys have Mehmet Okur...

Diddn't you know that Mehmet Okur has been averaging 19/9 all season long? he is well worth his contract.

Edit: Forgot to add that he hasn't missed a single game in the last 2 years on the jazz team. You can't say that about martin now can ya.

nbanoitall

· #18 · Apr 13, 2006

AK-47 said:
Diddn't you know that Mehmet Okur has been averaging 19/9 all season long? he is well worth his contract.

Edit: Forgot to add that he hasn't missed a single game in the last 2 years on the jazz team. You can't say that about martin now can ya.

Mehmet Okur is turning out to be a decent player. But he is still a pansie. He really doesnt have a lot of trade value, because he doesnt bang. We arent screwed in the sense that we cant trade Martin, we are screwed in the sense that we wont get as much for him as will want.

Basically this is due to injury, I was pretty vocal that having Camby and Kmart on the same team (makes sense basketballwise) but I wouldnt have personally done it because I said (on this board when the sign and trade happened) that injuries would be a problem.

But if Kenyon came back in 06/07 healthy and played in a bunch of games early on, his value would shoot back up again.

Okur will never have that value because he doesnt bring energy or toughness, he's just a very tall girly-man, a big that wants to play outside (a one trick pony). A guy that just gets rebounds because he's tall and in the game long enough to be in the right place for a few. Martin would kick his *** up and down the court. And thats why your team is now becoming more competitive with AK47 and Boozer in the lineup. They play the way Nancy...ahh I mean Okur should.

And thats why teams would rather trade for and overpay Kmart than trade for Okur, because with Kmart can defend, run the floor, and bang.

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nbanoitall

· #19 · Apr 13, 2006

pac4eva5 said:
yea, last time i checked, everybody wanted a "star" or close to it at SG. this is the only way it gets done...

actually id still settle for Raja Bell. Id still like to work something out with the suns this summer. We would never give up Nene for Bell (and it wouldnt work salarywise anyways), but if we could get a couple of suns or draft picks. it would be interesting.

pac4eva5

· #20 · Apr 13, 2006

nbanoitall said:
actually id still settle for Raja Bell. Id still like to work something out with the suns this summer. We would never give up Nene for Bell (and it wouldnt work salarywise anyways), but if we could get a couple of suns or draft picks. it would be interesting.

well, raja bell is playing like a star on that team! very important piece he is. id love to grab him too...

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