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Butler was one of the players training halfway across the country because he couldn't stomach more Thibs over the summer. He was supposedly one of the biggest supporters of his ouster. You don't think the best player on the team wanting the coach gone helped enable GarPax to can him? Particularly when he was a FA the Bulls wanted to re-sign? Mmmkay.

Butler may be happy to run right back into Thibs' arms now after a year of Holberg. Perhaps he's come to regret it, but it seems evident he was instrumental in his firing.

I understand, though. In your world, all Bulls problems must emanate exclusively from the FO, so you'll just reject these facts out of hand.
LOL, yes, the Bulls media machine was more than happy to leak those Butler stories months after the Bulls front office decided to smear the top 3 in the NBA head coach during a season where the Bulls had a realistic shot to make the NBA Finals. (how does the results of exit interviews make their way into the press anyway?) The front office had decided to fire Thibs long, long before. They then got busy with the work of poisoning the environment and some of the players against the head coach.

One year later, the Paxson led front office has taken the team out of the playoffs and into NBA irrelevancy.

Dysfunctional.

A pretty awful front office, don't you think?

LOL. Paxson.

If he decided to leave the loving embrace of Uncle Jerry, what kind of offer to you think he would get on the open NBA market?

Hint: Not a very good one, if any.

We just saw how the open NBA market rewarded Thibs.
 

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LOL, yes, the Bulls media machine was more than happy to leak those Butler stories months after the Bulls front office decided to smear the top 3 in the NBA head coach during a season where the Bulls had a realistic shot to make the NBA Finals. (how does the results of exit interviews make their way into the press anyway?) The front office had decided to fire Thibs long, long before. They then got busy with the work of poisoning the environment and some of the players against the head coach.

One year later, the Paxson led front office has taken the team out of the playoffs and into NBA irrelevancy.

Dysfunctional.

A pretty awful front office, don't you think?

LOL. Paxson.

If he decided to leave the loving embrace of Uncle Jerry, what kind of offer to you think he would get on the open NBA market?

Hint: Not a very good one, if any.

We just saw how the open NBA market rewarded Thibs.

Oh, we both agree that the Bulls FO classlessly trashed Thibs on the way out. I'm not going to fight that point. It was petty and stupid. Thibs did some of the same through his surrogates, but that doesn't mean I want to see the FO doing that.

As I've said repeatedly, I'd be A-OK with this FO getting fired. The only point I was arguing is I do not believe the FO is smearing Butler right now. They may not always comport themselves well, but they are smart enough not to try to diminish the market value of someone they might want to trade. The reason they could trash Thibs is there was no downside to doing so (other than looking like jerks).

I don't care even a little about what John Paxson's market value as an executive would be.

And good for Thibs. I hope he succeeds.
 

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As I've said repeatedly, I'd be A-OK with this FO getting fired. The only point I was arguing is I do not believe the FO is smearing Butler right now. They may not always comport themselves well, but they are smart enough not to try to diminish the market value of someone they might want to trade. The reason they could trash Thibs is there was no downside to doing so (other than looking like jerks).
If these were people interested in winning #1 and not job preservation #1 , that's a totally rational way to think about things.

This Bulls front office is not that way, IMO. They are prepping the Chicago market for Butler's departure if this continues. They won't have a player ripping their (bad so far) coach in public and not toeing the line.

They did the same with Rose when he wasn't coming back from his knee injury fast enough. Leaks on medical data and "cleared to play" were the story of the day / week / month. Did that diminish Rose's value? Sure, but its not about value maximization #1 .
 

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Truth be told they have been doing this for over a decade

And how much did they get for Jamal Crawford again?
 

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If these were people interested in winning #1 and not job preservation #1 , that's a totally rational way to think about things.

This Bulls front office is not that way, IMO. They are prepping the Chicago market for Butler's departure if this continues. They won't have a player ripping their (bad so far) coach in public and not toeing the line.

They did the same with Rose when he wasn't coming back from his knee injury fast enough. Leaks on medical data and "cleared to play" were the story of the day / week / month. Did that diminish Rose's value? Sure, but its not about value maximization #1 .

Now GarPax are expertly prepping the Chicago market for Butler's departure by having him be the Bulls' representative at the draft lottery. Dastardly!
 

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Now GarPax are expertly prepping the Chicago market for Butler's departure by having him be the Bulls' representative at the draft lottery. Dastardly!

Terrible job by GarPax taking the #3 team in the east from last season and running it into the lottery.

Have not read any negative Butler stories in the media for a spell. Looks like the smear is off for the time being. Maybe they are finally realizing, like you said, its not a very good idea to destroy an asset you are trying to dump. Or maybe they are just basically rudderless.

Sadly, the Bulls are now stuck in the miserable NBA middle.

Let's hope GarPaxBerg can right the ship next season.
 

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Terrible job by GarPax taking the #3 team in the east from last season and running it into the lottery.

Have not read any negative Butler stories in the media for a spell. Looks like the smear is off for the time being. Maybe they are finally realizing, like you said, its not a very good idea to destroy an asset you are trying to dump. Or maybe they are just basically rudderless.

Sadly, the Bulls are now stuck in the miserable NBA middle.

Let's hope GarPaxBerg can right the ship next season.
truth be told I am not sure they can do much for next season.

since they are apparently keeping their leadership its probably in their best interest to establish their head coach's principles which means revamping with young players best suited for a faster pace of game.

that in itself will account for a dip in the on court product and if they are keeping jimmy they have to give him a legit chance to lead which means they have to jettison rose and noah.

rose because of the shadow he cast and noah because he clearly refuses and dismisses what butler is trying to do.

personally I think the smart play is to trade jimmy , get as much as you can and rebuild properly ....in 13 years under this new regime, I simply find that scenario unlikely , they would rather be a middling team that makes the playoffs then a team that takes chances to be a true title contender but perhaps misses the playoffs for a few years
 

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Hire Stephen Silas as coaching specialist.

He graduated from Brown University with a double major in Organizational Behavior and Management and in Sociology. That's what a dysfunctional organization needs.
 
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