As I said yesterday in another thread, this wasn't happening last year? He was doubled and tripled a bit.big furb said:Carter has shot like this his whole career, and he usually does it at a 45-46% clip. He was shooting the same way last season when he was killing the entire league during that playoff run, didn't see much complaining then. Could it be that teams took notice of what he did last season and have made him the focus of their defense, or is that too logical an assumption to make?
Actually that's not necessarily true. I've been following Vince for a long time. In his College years & Rookie yr he was more of a straight up jump shooter w/ somewhat of a lean but after that he started to fadeaway much more. I'll tell you why. The comparison w/ Jordan arose, defenders got more up in his grill on defense & he likes to look good so for these reasons he developed that fadeaway. But now it's gotten to that point when he probably can't change back his shot. This yr is 1 of the most inconsistent I've seen w/ his shots. Usually he's pretty reliable. I don't know what's wrong. Sometimes players struggle for an extended period.purplehaze89 said:Well, in his defense, he's been shooting the same way his whole career. I think he's hampered more by his injury than anything.
WITH THAT SAID.
I agree, i dont understand why he insists on shooting fadeaways when its completely unnecessary.
haha, because i watch the video, his FG% is really low, when he is taking a open shot with his fadeway. Look RIP HAMILTON, he is straight jumpshooter, he is ok ! so that's why i have the enough reason to tell him !!Infinet said:[email protected]
Yes I'm sure NBA All Star and Olympian superstar Vince Carter needs to listen to YOU of all people about how to play basketball.
It's not just about him getting double and triple teamed. Teams didn't know how Frank would make use of Vince in his offensive system (which differs from how he was used in Toronto), they had no way of knowing how to best defend the combination of him and Kidd. This season i'm sure opposing coaches have spent more time watching film of vince as a net and have better scouting reports on what the Nets like to do with him. A similar thing happened to ray allen when he was traded midseason to seattle, his numbers went up noticeably that season and then began to normalize the following seasons as teams began to learn how seattle liked to use him.Petey said:As I said yesterday in another thread, this wasn't happening last year? He was doubled and tripled a bit.
-Petey
What wasn't there to figure out last season? Vince was it. Double and triple team him. Kidd is not a shooter and the team didn't have much of anything else. Miami shut us down in the playoffs because they knew it was going to be all Vince.big furb said:It's not just about him getting double and triple teamed. Teams didn't know how Frank would make use of Vince in his offensive system (which differs from how he was used in Toronto), they had no way of knowing how to best defend the combination of him and Kidd. This season i'm sure opposing coaches have spent more time watching film of vince as a net and have better scouting reports on what the Nets like to do with him. A similar thing happened to ray allen when he was traded midseason to seattle, his numbers went up noticeably that season and then began to normalize the following seasons as teams began to learn how seattle liked to use him.
You actually made my point for me. In the playoffs teams get to spend more time figuring out what the opposing team likes to do. The Heat got to study what the Nets were doimg with Carter that made them so effective down the stretch and gameplan a way to take that away from them. This is common basketball knowledge here, that's why everyone calls the postseason the real season. The best teams, the ones that are well-coached, have good gameplans and make good adjustments, almost always prevail.Netted- said:What wasn't there to figure out last season? Vince was it. Double and triple team him. Kidd is not a shooter and the team didn't have much of anything else. Miami shut us down in the playoffs because they knew it was going to be all Vince.
Yes, but you still make it sound like defending the Nets last season was difficult when it wasn't. It was all about Vince. You think Vince faced mostly single teams last season except for the playoffs?big furb said:You actually made my point for me. In the playoffs teams get to spend more time figuring out what the opposing team likes to do. The Heat got to study what the Nets were doimg with Carter that made them so effective down the stretch and gameplan a way to take that away from them. This is common basketball knowledge here, that's why everyone calls the postseason the real season. The best teams, the ones that are well-coached, have good gameplans and make good adjustments, almost always prevail.
I didn't say that defending the nets last season was difficult, i just said that teams weren't used to it. Do you really think the game of basketball is so simple that it was just a matter of double teaming vince to shut the nets down last season? If that was the case any bunch of YMCA scrubs could have shutdown the nets last season. It's a matter of knowing what vince likes to do with the ball, where Coach Frank likes to use him on offense, which players you should cheat off of in order to double or triple team him. That sort of thing takes good scouting which takes time. Do you honestly not know this stuff?Netted- said:Yes, but you still make it sound like defending the Nets last season was difficult when it wasn't. It was all about Vince. You think Vince faced mostly single teams last season except for the playoffs?
You think some YMCA scrubs can double team Vince and shut him down? You have a very low opinion of Vince. And it is more complex than just doubling, my point is the Nets didn't have enough fire power to warrant not doubling Vince. You still haven't answered my question, do you think Vince was not double teamed last season?big furb said:I didn't say that defending the nets last season was difficult, i just said that teams weren't used to it. Do you really think the game of basketball is so simple that it was just a matter of double teaming vince to shut the nets down last season? If that was the case any bunch of YMCA scrubs could have shutdown the nets last season. It's a matter of knowing what vince likes to do with the ball, where Coach Frank likes to use him on offense, which players you should cheat off of in order to double or triple team him. That sort of thing takes good scouting which takes time. Do you honestly not know this stuff?
You quite clearly lack reading comprehension skills. The YMCA comment was made in reference to you thinking the nets were so easy to defend last season. I was using sarcasm to show that stopping vince and the nets last season wasn't as easy as simply throwing a double team at him. Point out where i said vince wasn't getting doubleteamed last season. You won't be able to because I never said it. But there's a difference between double teaming a player and using a double team smartly. Vince is too good a passer to just simply throw a doubleteam at him, you have to do it when he's more prone to make a mistake (like making a bad pass or charging) which is something you figure out through good scouting, which as i said before takes time. The guy was only with the nets for 57 games last season, it's stupid to think teams would automatically pick up what the nets were doing offensively. Remember, there are 29 other teams they have to try and gameplan for as well.Netted- said:You think some YMCA scrubs can double team Vince and shut him down? You have a very low opinion of Vince. And it is more complex than just doubling, my point is the Nets didn't have enough fire power to warrant not doubling Vince. You still haven't answered my question, do you think Vince was not double teamed last season?
So let me get this straight. You think no team could properly scout the Nets all season, but come playoff time Miami flipped a switch and figured it out? You have a very low opinion of the scouts and coaches throughout the NBA. You also think Vince didn't face many double teams during the season because NBA scouts and coaches a) couldn't figure out how the Nets were using Vince and b) were afraid to double off Buford and Collins? Do you honestly believe that?
So now teams are so well prepared that Carter is putting up fg% and 3pt% below his career averages?big furb said:You quite clearly lack reading comprehension skills. The YMCA comment was made in reference to you thinking the nets were so easy to defend last season. I was using sarcasm to show that stopping vince and the nets last season wasn't as easy as simply throwing a double team at him. Point out where i said vince wasn't getting doubleteamed last season. You won't be able to because I never said it. But there's a difference between double teaming a player and using a double team smartly. Vince is too good a passer to just simply throw a doubleteam at him, you have to do it when he's more prone to make a mistake (like making a bad pass or charging) which is something you figure out through good scouting, which as i said before takes time. The guy was only with the nets for 57 games last season, it's stupid to think teams would automatically pick up what the nets were doing offensively. Remember, there are 29 other teams they have to try and gameplan for as well.
Teams were probably not afraid to double off of Buford and Collins, but they probably weren't aware that it wasn't such a good idea to double off of krstic (seeing as hardly anyone knew what to expect from the kid. The guy is still surprising everyone with his ever improving game)
The Heat didn't just "flip a switch" and figure it out, but they did have more time to figure out an effective gameplan on defending the nets in general and containing VC in particular. They didn't have to worry about who they were facing the game afterwards, all they had to do was focus on how to beat the nets. This isn't rocket science here, everything i'm saying should be obvious
