It had better be. I've still got hope for Tyson.
Chandler: This is going to be my hardest-working summer
this little article from mike mcgraw was overlooked at the end of last week, what with the final four and our games with charlotte and boston.
chandler is throwing down his own personal gauntlet. we will be very interested in how this all plays out. but he said it and now he'll have to live up to it.
we're all watching!
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http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=172572
chandler is throwing down his own personal gauntlet. we will be very interested in how this all plays out. but he said it and now he'll have to live up to it.
we're all watching!
In addition to trying to get the Bulls into the playoffs, Tyson Chandler has been busy preparing for the arrival of his first child, a daughter due in about a month.
“I haven’t missed an appointment,” he said. “I’ve done all the doctor’s appointments and Lamaze classes and all that good stuff. It’s definitely exciting I’m counting down the days waiting for the baby to come.”
Chandler and his wife Kimberly are both from Southern California. Chandler wasn’t certain where the baby will be born, but stressed that fatherhood will not keep him away from basketball this summer.
“It’s not really going to matter because wherever I’m going to be this summer, this is going to be my hardest-working summer of my career,” Chandler said. “I don’t care if it’s in Chicago or L.A. It’s not going to matter.”
Chandler talked about how making the playoffs would be a good way to salvage a frustrating season. He started slowly this year, but currently ranks No. 1 in the league in rebounds per 48 minutes at 16.4.
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http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sportsstory.asp?id=172572
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he better do it or else he may lose his job. Pax will address the need for some big men!!
Might as well have him included.
Might as well have him included.
For most players, this would be where I'd say "Well, better late than never!" Except with Tyson, I'm not so confident. It's not that I doubt he will work hard; I think he will. The doubt I have is that the hard work will produce any results.
By all accounts, he's worked hard every summer since he's been here, aside from this past one (at least that's what's been reported). How much improvement has he had in any aspect of his game as a result of those four hard-working summers? Slim to none seems about right. After all, how much better is his shooting? How many post moves has he developed? How much better is he now than he was in 2001 at finishing in traffic?
Also, how much weight has he been able to put on since his rookie season? By my estimation, I'd say about five pounds of muscle, apparently all in his shoulders. Not good for a skinny, frail guy without much offensive skill in the first place.
For me, this begs two questions:
1)what exactly has Tyson been doing during the summer?
2)what will change now in his fifth off-season that will actually produce any results?
By all accounts, he's worked hard every summer since he's been here, aside from this past one (at least that's what's been reported). How much improvement has he had in any aspect of his game as a result of those four hard-working summers? Slim to none seems about right. After all, how much better is his shooting? How many post moves has he developed? How much better is he now than he was in 2001 at finishing in traffic?
Also, how much weight has he been able to put on since his rookie season? By my estimation, I'd say about five pounds of muscle, apparently all in his shoulders. Not good for a skinny, frail guy without much offensive skill in the first place.
For me, this begs two questions:
1)what exactly has Tyson been doing during the summer?
2)what will change now in his fifth off-season that will actually produce any results?
isn't that supposed to be his attitude every summer?
i suspect he is very lazy come summertime most years.
i suspect he is very lazy come summertime most years.
Very good reasoning. I want results. I don't care if Tyson takes a nap all summer if I get results. I also don't care if he works his butt off if I don't get results. This will be year six. SIX!PC Load Letter said:For most players, this would be where I'd say "Well, better late than never!" Except with Tyson, I'm not so confident. It's not that I doubt he will work hard; I think he will. The doubt I have is that the hard work will produce any results.
By all accounts, he's worked hard every summer since he's been here, aside from this past one (at least that's what's been reported). How much improvement has he had in any aspect of his game as a result of those four hard-working summers? Slim to none seems about right. After all, how much better is his shooting? How many post moves has he developed? How much better is he now than he was in 2001 at finishing in traffic?
Also, how much weight has he been able to put on since his rookie season? By my estimation, I'd say about five pounds of muscle, apparently all in his shoulders. Not good for a skinny, frail guy without much offensive skill in the first place.
For me, this begs two questions:
1)what exactly has Tyson been doing during the summer?
2)what will change now in his fifth off-season that will actually produce any results?
Talk is cheap, and with a baby on the way, he's going to be "baby struck", so I doubt that he does any major working out. I'd like for him to work on his offense and add 15 pounds of muscle.
Why doesn't he hire kareem or something?...seriously...put that money to use!
what would you guys rather him work on MOST.
post moves.....or......strength.
what if he gains some post moves that'll guarantee 10 pts. a game from him...but doesn't gain any muscle.
how bout he gains muscle that makes people question if he took steriods...but still can't shoot a lick.
personally...i just want a taller ben wallace type monster in tyson...i don't see that happening though.
post moves.....or......strength.
what if he gains some post moves that'll guarantee 10 pts. a game from him...but doesn't gain any muscle.
how bout he gains muscle that makes people question if he took steriods...but still can't shoot a lick.
personally...i just want a taller ben wallace type monster in tyson...i don't see that happening though.
Maybe the sixth time will be the charm and he'll finally show up to camp with a reliable midrange jumper. If he could do that and work on a short range turnaround jumper to take advantage of his length, he'd at least not be a total liability on offense.
But I'm not counting on anything. I just hope he comes into camp in good shape and ready to contribute before February.
But I'm not counting on anything. I just hope he comes into camp in good shape and ready to contribute before February.
dsouljah9 said:Talk is cheap, and with a baby on the way, he's going to be "baby struck", so I doubt that he does any major working out. I'd like for him to work on his offense and add 15 pounds of muscle.
Skiles would agree:
From last week's papers."I don't know how much weight I put on anything Tyson says, to be honest with you," Bulls head coach Scott Skiles, wearing a wry smile, told reporters.
I think I agree with Skiles. Tyson's always been a big talker, and any sort of tangible results to back his words up have been inconsistent at best. If one didn't know any better, you could get the impression that Tyson's a fiery leader, but in his case, stuff like this just makes me think he's still pretty juvenile and immature, and doesn't really get it.Good Hope said:Skiles would agree:
From last week's papers.
I think Tyson might be the kind of guy who often confuses his desired self-perception with reality. Meaning, when he says he works hard, he'll do a little bit of work, giftwrap it with all sorts of sophomoric machismo, and convince himself that he really has been tough and has put in a lot of work. But nothing like a Michael Jordan or a Kobe Bryant, where 'putting in lots of hard work' would translate into 1000 jumpshots a day along with an hour in the weight room everday, and 2 hours of basketball drills. Whereas for Tyson it would mean running two suicides, but grimacing w/ a superpainful expression on his face as he crossed the finish line, and then going into the weight room for 20 minutes, and groaning w/ pain w/ every rep, and then walking out and congradulating himself on a hard day's work.
=“It’s not really going to matter because wherever I’m going to be this summer, this is going to be my hardest-working summer of my career,” Chandler said. “I don’t care if it’s in Chicago or L.A. It’s not going to matter.”
"I'm going to be in California this summer."
I take nothing more from this statement. Also, after the Celtics game in which he repeatedly blocked Pierce's shots, Chandler said that he wanted to work out with Pierce this summer. Pierce is from Inglewood.
Call me conservative, but I want the young guys who need to improve to do it with the other young guys that need to improve. That means Chandler, and that means Chicago.
Though I still support Chandler and think he'll bounce back with a solid season next year, I agree with you guys saying that Tyson's words don't really mean a whole lot.
i'm sure tyson doesn't care if it's in chicago or la, but i think pax cares if it's in la. 
still waiting on the sky hook too...
still waiting on the sky hook too...
I tend to agree with Skiles too that Tyson talks a lot but doesn't really back it up. When he does workout though I want him to work on catching passes, hire someone or just get in the gym with Duhon and Kirk and let them pass to Tyson. If he catches the 1000th one a day, he can go in the weightroom to hit the weights!
I hope he works on his low post scoring.A double double is fine by me!
The thing with Chandler is, he has not just not improved his offensive game, he has regressed. I sincerely doubt his talent has decreased. While he hasn't put on a lot of bulk, he hasn't lost any either. So what explains this? He is a head case. I think with Tyson, his problems are as much or more in his head than with his body. His awful start to the season? His seemingly worse offensive game? His poor free throw shooting? All of these could easily be attributable to a loss of confidence or some other mental roadblock.
This is what I worry about most with Tyson. Some think he has a fragile body, but I think it's his psyche that is much more delicate. The guy can be an absolute terror when he makes up his mind to do so, but you never know when he's going to deliver and when he's going to disappear. If energetic Tyson showed up every night, he would be a true force and a difference maker. I wonder if there is any coach that could unleash a confident Tyson Chandler or if he'll have to figure that out on his own. I'd certainly love to see it happen in a Bulls uniform.
This is what I worry about most with Tyson. Some think he has a fragile body, but I think it's his psyche that is much more delicate. The guy can be an absolute terror when he makes up his mind to do so, but you never know when he's going to deliver and when he's going to disappear. If energetic Tyson showed up every night, he would be a true force and a difference maker. I wonder if there is any coach that could unleash a confident Tyson Chandler or if he'll have to figure that out on his own. I'd certainly love to see it happen in a Bulls uniform.
LOL. It is hilarious how some buy this routine from him hook, line and sinker. Thinking he's Dennis Rodman or Ben Wallace cause he knows how to scream and flail his arms and make faces.rosenthall said:I think Tyson might be the kind of guy who often confuses his desired self-perception with reality. Meaning, when he says he works hard, he'll do a little bit of work, giftwrap it with all sorts of sophomoric machismo, and convince himself that he really has been tough and has put in a lot of work. But nothing like a Michael Jordan or a Kobe Bryant, where 'putting in lots of hard work' would translate into 1000 jumpshots a day along with an hour in the weight room everday, and 2 hours of basketball drills. Whereas for Tyson it would mean running two suicides, but grimacing w/ a superpainful expression on his face as he crossed the finish line, and then going into the weight room for 20 minutes, and groaning w/ pain w/ every rep, and then walking out and congradulating himself on a hard day's work.
Who thinks that and for those reasons?Pippenatorade said:LOL. It is hilarious how some buy this routine from him hook, line and sinker. Thinking he's Dennis Rodman or Ben Wallace cause he knows how to scream and flail his arms and make faces.
Although I do think that when people see Tyson being one of the best rebounders in the NBA two seasons in a row and changing/impacting the outcome of numerous games with his shot-blocking ability they like to optimistically think he can become the type of defensive force those guys became over time. Even if its just a poor man's version.
Yup. That's exactly why.Pippenatorade said:LOL. It is hilarious how some buy this routine from him hook, line and sinker. Thinking he's Dennis Rodman or Ben Wallace cause he knows how to scream and flail his arms and make faces.
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