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ok... suns got 2 good draft picks.... i really really like barbosa, but i dont think he has what it takes to be a solid point guard.. and i HATE vujanic because it seems that he always wants to stay in Europe and it doesnt look like he is coming here... I say we use Dyess, barbosa, and vujanic as trade bait to try to get another early pick in the draft or maybe a solid player on the trade block like eddy curry... then come draft day, we can draft the high school 6 ' 7 point guard shaun livingston. WOW. After watching one of his games, i immediately wanted to see him in a suns uniform... I think if we get him and a center like pavel or Perovic, and a great FA like Kobe, the 2005 suns could look like this...

C-Perovic/Pavel
PF-Amare
SF-Matrix
SG-Kobe
PG-Shaun Livingston...

(Good bench with Joe Johnson , Zarko, Jahidi, Maciej, etc)
(but then again... were all DREAMERS ) lol
 

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Its Barbosa's rookie year, give him a break hes still getting used to the team and the league, Marbury said himself that Barbosa was gonna be a future star. Vujanic said he was coming over next year because Zarko was his teammate on Serbia Montenegro. Dyess is for cap room next season so they can go after, rumor has it Kobe. Livingston would be a great pickup, but he has already signed with Duke and will not come out until later on. I think PHX needs to stick with their fastbreak style and go after Okafor maybe.
 

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Ugh no.

Shaun Livingston would NEVER start over Joe Johnson NEVER.

Besides that I don't believe in oversized PGs.

Perovic wasn't even as good as Lampe in their junior tournament last summer.
Pavel is a bust waiting to happen.

:hurl:
 

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With haivng Barbosa, Vujanic, and since we're probably not going to be able to get rid of him, Eisley at the point I don't see the value in Livingston.

I wouldn't be disappointed to see us use both picks on centers, or one on a center and one on a big PF.. in fact, I think we should, because that's where our obvious weakness is.. Jacobsen has been shooting real well lately, but when he isn't doing that he doesn't contribute anything, so the other option would be a backup swingman..

I don't know enough about Livingston to say one way or another, but I honestly can't see us drafting a project PG..
 

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Barbosa, Vujanic, Zarko, Amare, Lampe aren't going anywhere next year.
 

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Originally posted by <b>BigAmare</b>!
Perovic wasn't even as good as Lampe in their junior tournament last summer.

:hurl:

which tournament was this?? Perovic played with the seniors of the Serbian national team in the European Championships this past summer.
 

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ya, maybe barbosa will be a great pg, but who do we start? vujanic or barbosa.. I honestly havent seen vujanic play but have heard that hes the real deal (in europe.) So who do u guys think should start?
 

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They were saying on the ESPN telecast that Vujanic is possibly the best pick and roll guard in the world.. the things I've been hearing about him make it sound like he may well be the starter here, but I think Leandro may have the higher ceiling.. hard to say right now, they're playing in way different situation..

Magnus is the one who has had the chance to see them both extensively.. assuming Vujanic is here next year who do you think would be more likely to start, Magnus?
 

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By the way, just because Livingston signed with Duke doesn't mean he won't opt for the draft. Look at Ndudi Ebi. He signed with Zona last year but pulled out at the last minute for the draft.
 

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vujanic has looked to score a lot more this year than distribute. i would like to see him at the 2 when he comes over. i was thinking something like this...

C - Pavel (or draftee)/Amare
PF - Amare/Lampe/Zarko
SF - Matrix/Zarko
SG - Vujanic/JJ (whoever plays better)/Jacobson
PG - Barbosa/Vujanic/Eisley
 

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vujanic has looked to score a lot more this year than distribute. i would like to see him at the 2 when he comes over. i was thinking something like this...
That looks like a playoff team to me...
 

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IGNORANCE

Please, Milos is a star, understand that and be grateful... Now, if you read the previous post that is basically this thread just longer you'd know that Milos is a great scorer and would play an Iverson-like SG while Barbosa could stay at the 1.

About Johnson, I too feel that he will eventually be benched only because as good as hes playing, Milos, Marion, and Barbosa are the current answers to their positions. If your worrying about PT, i dont think thats a problem because anyone who feels JJ should be benched should be the sixth man, and damn when you have JJ as your 6th, thats a deep team.
 

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Originally posted by <b>jdg</b>!


Somewhere, Magic Johnson is shaking his head at this statement.
LOL

You can't seriously make that argument can you?

Magic that is one of how many? Livingston = Magic? LOL

Besides that Magic got burned by PGs like Kevin Johnson defensively.
 

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Originally posted by <b>Sovereignz</b>!
I wouldn't be disappointed to see us use both picks on centers, or one on a center and one on a big PF.. in fact, I think we should, because that's where our obvious weakness is.. Jacobsen has been shooting real well lately, but when he isn't doing that he doesn't contribute anything, so the other option would be a backup swingman..
That would be crap in my opinion.

We have a bunch of centers already. We don't need center prospect sitting on the bench. If anything we should add a center only if he can start every night.

I would much rather get a capable backup PF that could play together with Amare in the frontcourt. (Howard, Okafor...)

And a G/F like Iguodala/Smith or maybe even Luke Jackson.

The only PG in the NCAA that I am excited about is Mustafa Shakur. He is a great prospect. The others? :hurl: that includes Gordon.

Sebastian Telfair would also be an option instead of a G/F because Barbosa and Vujanic both look at least like they could play SG efficiently and good off of the bench.

In fact I am pretty excited about Telfair because he is a great passer and since he is still pretty "raw" he can be develloped into the type of PG that we need.
 

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Originally posted by <b>BigAmare</b>!


That would be crap in my opinion.

We have a bunch of centers already. We don't need center prospect sitting on the bench. If anything we should add a center only if he can start every night.

I would much rather get a capable backup PF that could play together with Amare in the frontcourt. (Howard, Okafor...)

And a G/F like Iguodala/Smith or maybe even Luke Jackson.

The only PG in the NCAA that I am excited about is Mustafa Shakur. He is a great prospect. The others? :hurl: that includes Gordon.

Sebastian Telfair would also be an option instead of a G/F because Barbosa and Vujanic both look at least like they could play SG efficiently and good off of the bench.

In fact I am pretty excited about Telfair because he is a great passer and since he is still pretty "raw" he can be develloped into the type of PG that we need.
Next year we're only going to have Jahidi and Voskuhl on our roster as our centers, and if one of those guys go down (they've both missed a lot of games over the last few years), we're screwed. Unless Phoenix can get a quality center through free agency, they're going to draft one.

As far as getting Emeka or Howard, the way we're playing there's no way we're going to finish below Atlanta, Cleveland, Orlando, Washington, Chicago, and possibly Utah and Golden State.. I don't think our odds of getting him are very good, we'd have to trade up if we want him.. Pavel just barely turned 19, and he's 7-5 300+. We don't need him to score, he's just a big body. You can't tell me if we end up with a 6th pick or so he wouldn't be worth a shot.. they say he isn't a stiff, he's got good coordination and movement, all he needs is the guidance.

As far as Milos goes - right now there's no way you bench JJ in favor of Barbosa/Vujanic. I think Barbosa would come off the bench in a Bobby Jackson type role and Vujanic and JJ will start. Milos doesn't average a whole lot of assists but they say he's a great passer, they just utilize him in a scoring role. Best pick and roll guard in the WORLD, that's an exciting proposition..
 

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Voshkul, White and Lampe.

That's 3 and Amare can spend time there as well. We have a center prospect in Lampe, don't need another one unless he can start which none of the centers could do.
 
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