Fan's sub is Du Wei.He is young.Originally posted by bebop
China is way behind the elite soccer power. True.
But had Sun and Fan not injured themselves in the first game, China will definitely put up a better fight. Fan's sub Dei Wu is good, but he's raw and was taken apart by world class strikers. I screamed when I saw Sun was replaced by Xu. He sucks. Fair and square.
China needs to export more players, and STOP modeling their game after the English Premier League!! The English didn't win a damn thing in more than 45 yrs for a good reason! And they're NOT going to win anything until they wake up and smell the Brazilian cocoa. Look at the Japanese and Saudis, they model their game after the Brazilians and their soccer improved dramatically in the last 10 yrs.
They're heading in the right direction. Young guys like Li Tie, Li Weifeng, Dei Wu, etc needs to play aboard. They'll catch up. It may take the next generation to do so, but they'll eventually. And who knows, they may even win a WC before Spain or Holland does.
And lastly, Bora gets results. He doesn't teach young players. He just get results. If you want a mentor, go for someone like Menotti or Van Gaal.
Sun won't ever play for Man City. One of worst teams in Premiership!Originally posted by bebop
Yeah, I read. And Sun is moving up to the Premier League with Man City. I may have to start watching English soccer now.....
But I don't think the Brits know how to nurture young foreign players. As least not as well as the French and Dutch. IMO.
True, English club have young foreign talent, but how many found success outside of England??Originally posted by Mulk
Sun won't ever play for Man City. One of worst teams in Premiership!
English clubs have lots of young foreign talent. Look at arsenal, Henry, Vieira 2 of France's best players joined arsenal when they were young and not well known. Now they are 2 of the best players in the world.
French and Dutch leagues are poor and none of the teams from there would compare to top english teams IMO
Originally posted by TheBigEasy
As Van Gaal showed when he coached the Dutch NT, he's a good club coach, but not a good national coach.
And technique is the foundation of whole soccer. You can be just as big, fast and strong, but if you don't have the correct technique.
True, English club have young foreign talent, but how many found success outside of England??
Juninho? Anelka? Flo? Petit? The list goes on…
Look at how “well” Rebrov is doing in England.
The Brits mold the youngster to the English style, but the end result is usually the young lads are so modified to the Premier League that they can’t adapt to other style or have trouble with the more calculating continental style.
In fact, how many Brits have success outside of their own backyard? Anwser? One --Steve McManaman. That’s it. And McManaman was sometimes criticized for not being “British” enough during his time in England.
I consider the Premier League a dead zone for young foreign talent. PSV help Romario and Ronaldo on their way. And they’re doing a fine job with Ono. The French routinely develop youngsters that go on to greater and greener things.
The English?? Who did they nurture?? Hmm….. Steve McManaman??
Will Li Tie and Li Weifeng benefit by playing in the Premier League? Yes.
But not as much as they would have in the French or Dutch league.
Originally posted by TheBigEasy
I hope you understand my point better now (I am Dutch, so maybe my poor English is the reason that you didn't get it though).
The Big Easy
BTW are you American, cuz you understand a lot about soccer that you don't sound really American (no offense to all the American people here btw)?
Originally posted by Mulk
Sorry have to disagree Bebop, plenty of players do better going away from england. Look at Hasselbaink when he played in Spain. Juninho got a bad injury after playing well in Spain also, Anelka was just wrong in the head and Flo was one of the leading scorers in Scotland last year for Rangers.
The main reason many players haven't found success outside of England is because many of the big stars have not left, for example if Thierry Henry left Arsenal then he would be one of the top stars in ANY league just as most top players from Italy or Spain would.
Dutch teams can nurture because they have no way of keeping these players, the top players for PSV, Ajax, etc want to join English,Spanish or Italian leagues.
Fair point about British players leaving but this can aslo be said about many Italian players, generally the only Italians that leave are 30+ looking for a new challenge. Who's to say that ina few years Beckham, Scholes and Owen will not leave and pave the way for other English players?
Originally posted by <b>TheBigEasy</b>!
Bebop, I agree with a lot of things you said, because I also think that the French and Dutch competition are the best "grooming" leagues in Europe. But I don't agree with your part on the Italian players. Eranio, Ravanelli and Di Matteo were already big players on their teams (especially Ravanelli) and I don't think those three has made any development in England. What surprises me most is that the chance of being succesfull in England is big. I think that's because of the type of soccer that is played their, it's still a lot of long ball soccer. Easy to defend and easy to perform. Look at Boateng, he failed at Feyenoord and now he's a major contributor on Aston Villa (this could also be explained as a mistake by Feyenoord).
But beside all this, I think you make a legitimate point! BTW Bebop do you all so live in China and how many soccer do you watch or is broadcasted there?
The Big Easy
I heard people in england call him the Chinese Michael Owen because of his speed :yes: IMO he's the best player in China, and might also be the only hope of China. I hope he'll do well in the english league and become one of the elite players in the world!! This is my opinion on the Chinese soccer team: If they ever want to catch up with other asian teams( korea and japan), they must really start working their asses off!!! AND this will take them at least 10 years of hard work before they can get to the same level as the koreans and japanese, since they are really far ahead of china. I was disappointed by the performance of China in the world cup. It's really obvious that they don't have the skills to compete with other teams, but i'm more disappointed by the fact that they didn't seem to have tried. If they had hustled like the koreans did, they would have a bigger chance at scoring the first world cup goal in the history of China... oh well, maybe Qu Bo will set a mark in the Chinese history by scoring a goal for CHina in the next world cup.... HE WILL SHINEOriginally posted by <b>Shanghai_boy</b>!
6 mins 3 ASSISTS!