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The FloSports deal, per the CAA's release is "eight-figures" - so, congrats on the bag, maybe? How that is broken down by team/sport etc. would be interesting. Given the league wasn't forthright with the numbers exactly it's hard to say.

Some of you will be happy to know that the CAA fell below the AE in KenPom. This is what happens when you have absolutely putrid teams (Monmouth, Elon, Hampton mixed in with some regular bad ones like Northeastern and William & Mary). The CAA's top 4 title race though should be a good one; whether anyone here wants to admit it or not, those teams are very good.

Surprised some of you aren't posting about the news that Texas and Oklahoma did agree to a Big 12 separation for 2024. Then, Big 12 commish Yormark went off again to his his media guys saying he wants to aggressively expand. Cue the Twitterati saying it's the death of the Pac 12.

Matt Brown had a good piece on the Pac 12 stuff, which you should read.


- Notes that conventional wisdom was Pac 12 would wait to get TV numbers then think expansion. Talks not going as well as they thought, so they're moving to discuss expansion now.

- San Diego State makes lots of sense, Brown notes new football stadium, and academically, its research rep is growing/got some help from California's legislature with a few new rule passages to allow for the CSU system to come up to par with the UC system.

- Interesting points on SMU as a Pac 12 candidate. Pac commish met with SMU president...school has a budget that is more than some current Pac 12 schools, also renovating their football field...SMU has a stated goal of reaching R1 status, so that helps, and one thing I didn't know was in 2019 the school officially moved to become independent of the Methodist church in 2019, which probably helps given the Pac 12's desire to not get all in on religious schools. Brown points out lack of success for SMU sports also its small enrollment relative to other Pac 12 schools, but also how valuable is the DFW area really to the Pac 12? He did an unscientific search of LinkedIn to find ~27,000 Pac 12 alums in the area

- Mentions the other schools bandied about are Fresno State, UNLV, Boise State, but we'll see. As for Gonzaga. Pac 12, Big 12 and Big East all have talked to them. Gonzaga officials said Big 12 approach much more "forward thinking" than Pac 12.

- Brown also says doesn't see Oregon/Washington/Cal Stanford in Big 10 discussions right now. They have to sort out the commish stuff, plus a lot of Big 10 schools in process of getting new presidents. Logistics right now might not be worth the headache, particularly when you're in a position of strength at the moment. Says senior leaders at Utah, Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State want to be committed to the Pac 12 because of value with Cal/Stanford, travel concerns going to Orlando and stuff.

Of course, this is only at this moment. Shit changes.

And, Hoops Weiss stirring the pot:


I don't buy it, I think UMass can have a go at being Independent for the time being...to me if the AAC loses SMU and maybe others like Tulane/Memphis leave (if the Big 12 strikes out on whatever else they're after), and the AAC invites UMass, but also the like of Delaware, or Buffalo, or dare I say Stony Brook(?), and does an actually eastern/western divisional split, I could see it working.

There's no value in the AAC outside having fixed games for football...but is anyone really giving a shit if they are playing what's left of the American? At least as an Independent they've been able to arrange an okay schedule that likely has the same amount of appeal as the 2023 and beyond AAC would.
 

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The FloSports deal, per the CAA's release is "eight-figures" - so, congrats on the bag, maybe? How that is broken down by team/sport etc. would be interesting. Given the league wasn't forthright with the numbers exactly it's hard to say.
So assuming that's $10 million over four years, $2.5 M per year, first the league office takes its cut, then divide the rest among 13 full members, 6 football-only members, and five associates in rowing and lacrosse, doesn't seem like a lot per school.
 

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So assuming that's $10 million over four years, $2.5 M per year, first the league office takes its cut, then divide the rest among 13 full members, 6 football-only members, and five associates in rowing and lacrosse, doesn't seem like a lot per school.
The reference to "eight figures" was actually that upon seeing the low value of the contract, eight athletic directors immediately said "Yeah, that figures".
 

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I feel like the next phase of realignment madness is upon us.....it could get interesting as dominoes continue to fall.

The Pac 12....San Diego State is a given but I'd take UNLV over SMU. It's a new world...the academic snobs are going to have to get over themselves when it comes to the athletic conference company they keep.

The UMass to the AAC scenario if they lose SMU....that could start a mass panic in the A-10. They already swung and missed with Loyola-Chicago. I wonder if we're almost the point where a football conference would take basketball members.....I guess we'll find out with Gonzaga and the Big 12.
 

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- Interesting points on SMU as a Pac 12 candidate. Pac commish met with SMU president...school has a budget that is more than some current Pac 12 schools, also renovating their football field...SMU has a stated goal of reaching R1 status, so that helps, and one thing I didn't know was in 2019 the school officially moved to become independent of the Methodist church in 2019, which probably helps given the Pac 12's desire to not get all in on religious schools. Brown points out lack of success for SMU sports also its small enrollment relative to other Pac 12 schools, but also how valuable is the DFW area really to the Pac 12? He did an unscientific search of LinkedIn to find ~27,000 Pac 12 alums in the area
Texas is full of ex-Californians with Bay Area degrees working in the tech sector who don’t want Bay Area cost-of-living (it’s why there is more red every time the 49ers visit JerryWorld).

No Texas school has wanted to touch SMU in 35 years.
 

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I still love the idea of the midwestern schools in both the BE and A10 (minus Loyola) starting their own league, and bringing in Memphis (if the AAC gets hit with a potential SMU departure to the PAC Whatever) in everything except football.
 

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This has been shot down by other PAC media types with serious connections to the conference.

At this point, the PAC is basically trying to leverage all it can PLUS convince at least SDSU and SMU to come.

A lot of people on other boards are flipping out over APPLE. Here's the deal, cable as we know it will be gone in 10 years, maybe less. The big cable companies will become platform providers where you can purchase almost 100% of the content via third party apps. It's the way it is going. Apple is using MLS as its true testing grounds, it will sprinkle in some fixes to the NFL and its MLB games...and in 5 years will be a MAJOR player in the game. There is too much money for them to leave on the table and they have too much money compared to almost every network.
 

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Does anyone foresee any changes to AE in the next 6 months or are we in a holding pattern for now?

Is Albany to the CAA still in play? Will the MAAC swoop in and steal anyone?
I still think that all relies on the CAA, If UD bounces(however unlikely or likely anyone thinks) I think others will follow or give a hard look at. Then the AE would really need to decide if they want to add any members, or ones that sponsor football and finally host the sport. Until UD leaves (which may be never) I just don’t see any major changes. Unless a non football school like northeastern heads to the PL or something…
 

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Does anyone foresee any changes to AE in the next 6 months or are we in a holding pattern for now?

Is Albany to the CAA still in play? Will the MAAC swoop in and steal anyone?
It feels like we're definitely in a holding pattern. Of course, I've been wrong so many times in this thread that one could take my statement as an indication that chaos is coming...
 

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This has been shot down by other PAC media types with serious connections to the conference.

At this point, the PAC is basically trying to leverage all it can PLUS convince at least SDSU and SMU to come.

A lot of people on other boards are flipping out over APPLE. Here's the deal, cable as we know it will be gone in 10 years, maybe less. The big cable companies will become platform providers where you can purchase almost 100% of the content via third party apps. It's the way it is going. Apple is using MLS as its true testing grounds, it will sprinkle in some fixes to the NFL and its MLB games...and in 5 years will be a MAJOR player in the game. There is too much money for them to leave on the table and they have too much money compared to almost every network.
Streaming services have become so fractured, that it’s becoming more convenient for people to go back to traditional cable. It’s becoming the same as these other disruptor models, worse than what they replaced (Airbnb vs. hotels, ride share vs. taxis). That’s why I still have some skepticism for MLS going Apple TV only. If I don’t see something on linear TV, and I have an antenna and I’m not paying for cable, I’m not going to shell out money for another streaming service. Heck, people are going back to pirated sports like it’s 2007. It’s why WB/D just announced a $2 billion loss for the fourth quarter in 2022, it’s why Peacock just ended its free option, it’s why Netflix is seeing as value drop like a rock. Sports missed the golden age of streaming, because it’s becoming less convenient to purchase a whole bunch of fractured services for one show people want and a bunch of shows they don’t want, as opposed to making one purchase on cable for one show they want and a bunch of shows they don’t want.

However, with the eminent collapse of the RSN’s, and MLB, NBA, and NHL discussing starting up a company to directly distribute their non-national TV games with no local blackouts, it might not be a bad idea if the Pac 12 latches onto that, as long as it’s one service. Every single sports fan will purchase that service.
I still think that all relies on the CAA, If UD bounces(however unlikely or likely anyone thinks) I think others will follow or give a hard look at. Then the AE would really need to decide if they want to add any members, or ones that sponsor football and finally host the sport. Until UD leaves (which may be never) I just don’t see any major changes. Unless a non football school like northeastern heads to the PL or something…
With no Delaware, the CAA loses even more prestige, and with its return to flosports…what would be the advantage of joining the CAA now?
 

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The problem I see for the CAA is that Northeastern, Drexel and Hofstra do not have football.....if Delaware bolts then I just don't see them sticking with what is left IF they get membership offers from other leagues (AE, MAAC or Patriot).
 
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