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GoCatsGo said:
I'm not picking on Howard, because God knows they're not the only ones. But the number of schools who keep looking at a 15-team basketball-centric league and saying "Ok sure, but I could see them taking US" is astonishing.
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A 15-team ONE BID basketball league. The A10 has been trending down because of the bloat, and will likely not get another team outside its tourney champ in this year.

(High Point is the other recent example that apparently has aspirations to this end)
 
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UNLV has a few things going against it:

University presidents care about academics. They just do. And my dog was admitted to UNLV.

They are atrocious at football. People have been talking about their potential for decades and UNLV has never managed to do anything about it.
 
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ccd494 said:
UNLV has a few things going against it:

University presidents care about academics. They just do. And my dog was admitted to UNLV.

They are atrocious at football. People have been talking about their potential for decades and UNLV has never managed to do anything about it.
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But is the academic thing real now....or its it just reputation rooted in the past? Football......yeah they suck. Conference expansion is all about markets and money though....Las Vegas is growth machine.
 
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ccd494 said:
UNLV has a few things going against it:

University presidents care about academics. They just do. And my dog was admitted to UNLV.

They are atrocious at football. People have been talking about their potential for decades and UNLV has never managed to do anything about it.
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Just showed this to my brother, he’s giving you the middle finger through my phone while (not so) secretly agreeing. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
mainejeff said:
But is the academic thing real now....or its it just reputation rooted in the past? Football......yeah they suck. Conference expansion is all about markets and money though....Las Vegas is growth machine.
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UNLV did start a medical school a few years ago (in spite of opposition from Nevada alums on the Board of Regents who tried stopping it), and has a decent, but not remarkable law school, but its top program has long been hospitality, and even opened a satellite campus for that program in the Middle East in the 2000’s.
 
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I see us in a rolling boil right now...this thing is not over. Look, the CAA is a nightmare with its size and cost for ROI, even with the regional travel schedules. There are no real rivalries and you need you top sports to put butts in the seats to pay bills. The lack of attendance is a problem that most NCAA D1 schools are struggling with and the CAA is really a hodgepodge right now. There is zero doubt in my mind that the league will disintegrate at some point. They are no longer the Top 13 or so ranked league, year in and out. They are much closer to the AE in the money driven sport of basketball.

Spending 20-50 million dollars without getting some income in will just not last, it will start to get questioned as the P4 starts to really form.

In my personal opinion, the A-10, MAAC, MEAC, AE, NEC, CAA, PL, Big South, and the Southern conferences need a reset....some more than others. The fact is, football creates problems as do outlier schools location wise (Maine, W&M, the Western PA schools, arguably Binghamton, Albany, and Stony Brook.

Personally, I wish somehow we can get the AE four back and just collapse the CAA...but I think there is a vast difference between Delaware and Bryant, even SBU, Bing, and Bryant. I like Bryant Simply put, there are not great answers without dramatic changes and loss of some rivalries. I have put thought into this and am willing to answer any direct questions, knowing my post is far from perfect. Currently, I see the MAAC and the Southern as the most stable conferences, followed closely by the AE, PL, and A-10. But each of those three have issues, mainly in the AE the football schools, the PL the lack of football schools...G-Town can drop at any time, and the A-10 needing to cull some fat and add some new blood, with the real possibility that UMASS leaves.

Here are new leagues I would use as a baseline to play with, knowing some leagues are at levels where they would like to expand (e.g. the new CAA though I think that group has WAY more in common than people think. And I did not consider (other than the PL) academics very highly, more as a secondary or even tertiary point because quite frankly, this is about ROI and income...not about aligning with the IVY. I also did not consider the best scenario, where the NCAA gets rid of the Dayton Rule and encourages schools to play its sports in multiple conferences, depending on the sport:

Bigger Moves
Charleston- A-10
UMASS- unknown but will move if they want to keep football. They will end up in some form of CUSA, AAC, or MAC.

A-10 (12 All-Sport but for the football schools who play elsewhere)
URI
St Joseph
VCU
GMU
GW
Richmond
St Bonaventure
Dayton
Loyola Chicago
SLU
Davidson
Charleston

CAA (8 All Sport / 11 Team football with 3 Football Only)
Maine (F)
UNH (F)
Albany (F)
Fordham (F)
Stony Brook (F)
Monmouth (F)
Delaware (F)
Towson (F)
URI (Football Only)
Nova (Football Only)
Richmond (Football Only)

America East (8 All Sport)
Vermont
UM-Lowell
Bryant
Fairfield
Hofstra
Drexel
Binghamton
UMBC

**A KEY EDIT WOULD BE A CAA SIZED LEAGUE THAT IS REALLY COMPACT GEOGRAPHICALLY (but for MAINE) combining the AE and the CAA above, adding Bryant for football to bring it to 12, with the Big South having lost Bryant to go down to 6 football members.

NEC (11 Teams (9 All sport) and 10 Football (one football only) (SF-Bklyn leaves D1)
Merrimack (F)
Stonehill (F)
SFU (F)
SHU (F)
Wagner (F)
CCSU (F)
LIU (F)
DSU (F)
Morgan St (F)
Duquesne (Football Only)
NJIT
FDU

MAAC (12 All Sport)
Iona
Rider
Siena
Quinnipiac
Niagara
Manhattan
Marist
The Mount
Canisius
St Peter's
La Salle
Duquesne

PL (13 Teams (7 All sport) and 8 Football (one football only)
Colgate (F)
Lehigh (F)
Lafayette (F)
Holy Cross (F)
Bucknell (F)
W&M (F)
Howard (F)
Georgetown (Football Only)
American
BU
Army
Navy
Loyola
Northeastern

MEAC (league disbands. Coppin and UMES drop out of D1)

Big South (12 Teams with 5 All sport) and 7 Football (two football only)
CSU (F)
G-Webb (F)
Norfolk State (F)
NCCU (F)
SCSU (F)
Bryant (Football only)
RMU (Football only)
Ashville
Longwood
Radford
USC Upstate
Winthrop
High Point
Presby

Southern (15 Teams with 13 All sport) and 13 Football
Samford (F)
Furman (F)
WCU (F)
ETSU (F)
Wofford (F)
Chatty (F)
Mercer (F)
Citadel (F)
VMI (F)
Campbell (F)
Elon (F)
Hampton (F)
NC A&T (F)
UNC Wilmington
UNC Greensboro
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Nice work here Dane96, although I've gotta ask why Charleston to the Atlantic 10? And what made you do most of the other surprising moves here?
 
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I called this as soon as they sold their campus.

Thought they might go D-III, but this makes the just as much sense.
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Honestly feel very sad for the student athletes and the coaches! But they should have known this was coming! The first warning sign was when the school sold its building and moved in to an office building in Brooklyn! It won't be too long before the school shuts down!
 
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NEC is in a little bit of trouble with only eight members, and only seven full DI members since Stonehill is still in transition. Gotta think they're going to look for some more D2 schools since I can't see any current D1 member wanting to join.
 
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NEC is in a little bit of trouble with only eight members, and only seven full DI members since Stonehill is still in transition. Gotta think they're going to look for some more D2 schools since I can't see any current D1 member wanting to join.
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If I am AE, this would be a good time to try and get couple of NEC schools to join the conference!
 
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NEC is in a little bit of trouble with only eight members, and only seven full DI members since Stonehill is still in transition. Gotta think they're going to look for some more D2 schools since I can't see any current D1 member wanting to join.
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I think the league has already kicked the tires at LeMoyne and New Haven. I would expect a decisions will be made this spring effective July 1 to start the 4-year NCAA waiting period.
 
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Aceinthehole said:
I called this as soon as they sold their campus.

Thought they might go D-III, but this makes the just as much sense.
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We both did...i even called it before. My childhood buddy is an all-time great baseball player for them. He said he thought this would happen four years ago. Next up, the school will shutter. Max 7 years.
 
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