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I remember the atmosphere surrounding this team at the beginning of 2001-02. People were talking about the talent and youth of the Clippers. Like many fans, I felt that the Clippers were going to make the playoffs.

It didn't happen, but I am not disappointed with the season. Considering how many games Lamar Odom missed, the Clippers piled up a decent amount of wins.

Now that the season is over, there are some decisions that need to be made.

Which young talents should this team keep? Which ones (if any) are expendable? Finally, how might this affect the team chemistry?

If you have opinions about these things, add them to this thread.
 

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I was amazed to find out that the Clippers are going to have two picks in the top 12 this year...that means TWO MORE fine young additions!

My feeling: they need to move some of these youngsters for a little more experience. Now, I normally don't feel this way, because I love a young, fast team! But they do need some guidance...unless they keep everyone for the next five years to gain some experience (highly unlikely), I would engage in some trade talks with some other teams.
 

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That sounds like the safest route. I would hate to see some of these young players go, too, but they definitely need a veteran presence. They have had too many problems in crunch time and on the road without that kind of guidance.

I think Corey Maggette is the most likely to go of all the players. He'd be the first one mentioned in any trade talks. I say this mainly because Odom, Richardson, and Miles are all bigger fan favorites.
 

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Who couldn't love the young Clippers? I think every fan of other teams watches the Clips when they can because they are a fun team with so much young talent.

Which young talents should this team keep? Which ones (if any) are expendable? Finally, how might this affect the team chemistry?
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First off, Brand made life so much easier for Kandi - so I think they should keep him.
Second, Q is one good little scorer and a good shooter besides. Keep him.
If they can, they should keep Miles, who can play many positions and is such a good defender.
I think they need a PG, one who can really get the entire offense into sync and has energy and smarts.......who is out there for them to get - and who can they use as trade bait?
 

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Hey Silk, good to see you as a Mod. Come visit our Raptors board once and awhile, visiting fans are always welcome for debate.

The way I see the Clippers I see 3 areas that need to be looked at if they want to be a threat next year.

1. The development of Darius, hows his jumpshot improves, and somesort of post-up game. (Maybe Q could show him a few things).
2. Pg, who is there guy? Will Mcinnis be back? Can they get a veteran or a player with enough experience to lead this young team.
3. Center, will Kandi be back and be more consistent on the block.

If they can fill two of those holes they can be a very dangerous team.

I believe moving those two picks and maybe a player for a top pg would drastically improve this Clipper team, but I'm not sure Sterling would want to pay a maximum salary.
 

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I think Maggette could be offered for a point guard. Not to hate on McInnis, but he isn't starter material. He's OK as a reserve. Dooling has great athletic talent and a lot of potential, but I think they can do better. Boykins is expendable.

They did experiment with Odom a bit at point, but I don't think they want him there long term. They want him at small forward.
 

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Thanks, raptors32. I'll keep your Toronto board in mind.

Throwing in the two picks as part of a deal for a point guard would be a tempting package. I don't know much about the salary situations, but I'm sure they could get someone a lot better than McInnis for that.
 

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It's easy to see that the 3 of us seem to think the PG position is one that should be addressed in the off season.

Now I should look to see who is available, but maybe a package of a draft pick and a Corey M. + whoever else could garner somebody who is a leader at pg for the Clips?
 

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I say they should go out and go for the best available PG they can get, maybe trade for Payton or maybe persuade Kidd knowing that he wants to come back to the West next season. I'm not to sure the money will be there for Kidd though.
 

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I say they should go out and go for the best available PG they can get, maybe trade for Payton or maybe persuade Kidd knowing that he wants to come back to the West next season. I'm not to sure the money will be there for Kidd though

That is the trouble with a young and rising team, players like Payton and Kidd wouldn't want to go there, as they more than likely want to win and win big and the sooner the better.

Maybe a talent like Miller in Cleveland might though. I don't know about his contract, but I bet he'd love this young team and would really take them far!
 

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In regards to the point guard situation- I doubt McInnis will be back. The Clippers have a healthy Dooling and the incoming Marco Jaric to try at that position. They can also go with Lamar as the point forward. Regardless, I'm not sure if a trade is needed.
 

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Saying the problem is the PG looks not precise. I think McInnes and Dooling can do nicely. The problem is the team is too young and unexperienced, they need someone, no matter the position who can help the team with his experience when they are in trouble. If this experienced player is also a good defender he surely will be perfect.
 

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The problem here is that McGinnis (I think) is a free agent and he has been making noises about going to Portland...the Clips have to find a way to keep this guy, no two ways about it, he is going to be a special player in this league. JMO. :cool:
 

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I do think experience at any position could make a big difference. It's just that experience at the point guard position would be ideal, because that is certainly not their strongest position. They have Brand at power forward, and Miles, Odom, Maggette, and Richardson sharing a lot of time at the small forward and shooting guard slots. McInnis and Dooling simply don't compare to those players. Maybe the center position could be argued as weaker, but good centers are at more of a premium than point guards right now anyway...and that is another reason that I think the point guard position is ideal in this context to acquire talent.

As far as McInnis becoming a special player in this league, I don't really think that is going to happen. He is going to be 28 years old at the start of next season (born in October of 1974). Sometimes it seems that he is younger (he hasn't played many season in the NBA), but that is because he spent a few years in the CBA. If he is going to become a special player, he will be a very late bloomer. He's gotten bigger minutes in the last two seasons (35 and 37.4), but hasn't shown that he can be a consistently effective performer (his field goal percentage dropped about four percentage points last season, and hasn't had any serious injuries to use as an excuse for that).

I will say that his assist-to-turnover ratio is excellent, and that he is capable of some really big nights. However, his oft adverse effect on the tempo, his inability to play nearly as effective without Lamar Odom in the game (his game probably suffers the most of all the players when Odom is not in), his overall defense, his inconsistent shooting, and his run-ins with Coach Gentry are all conspicuous drawbacks.
 

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MAYBE YOU'RE RIGHT

I must admit that maybe I was too generous in judging McInnis but he was the nearest thing to a PG we had in recent times.
Tha fact is I don't see many worthy PG options on the market and, also considering Sterling attitude toward spending money, the situation is not exactly easy.
The only possibility I see in getting someone who can make a difference involves putting Odom in a trade. I know it's a big sacrifice, but you can get something for nothing.
Last season he has been of very little use to the team and, as you say, the position of SF SG is the one in wich the Clips have more abundance.
My idea is this: Put Odom in a trade for a leading PG and cover his place with the one of the first round picks.
I think it could work.
 

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Re: The PG position.

McInnis sucks. I couldn't be happier that he's not coming back. He can't distribute the rock, and can't play defense. He can't run a break, and gets to caught up in going one on one with his man. He'd be a decent backup PG cuz of his ability to hit the mid range jumper, but his ego won't allow that. Let him go and say good riddance.

I say let the current players, with the addition of Marko Jaric, get their crack at the spot. We have a lottery pick from 2 years ago, who hasn't gotten on the floor much cuz of injuries and his rookie experience, but he's had 2 years of watching NBA basketball. Give him the chance to show his stuff. Then of course, Jaric. Some experts are saying he'd be a high lotto pick in this years draft if he were in it. That means he could be right up there with Jason Williams, AND, his style is more of what this team needs(pass first). Why just toss him aside to take Williams? And of course there's Odom.
IMO, let the current guys get their shot at winning the job. The Clippers are not winning a title this year. I watch every game and and going to watch every game wanting a win, but I know in reality the team is not a title contender. So, I think we should just let the young guys play and develop and see just what we have on the team already.
If, after this year, the PG spot is still unsettled, take a crack at the FA's - Davis or Miller might not get dealt this year, but are FA's next year. Work a Sign and Trade with one of them. Or, look at the draft. Chris Duhon and TJ Ford are pass first PG's, which is a better fit than any PG in this years draft. If it comes down to that, look at one of them.

The Bottom Line IMO is just let the current players at PG battle it out this year and see what they can do.

Re: Which young talent is expendable.

IMO, the players the Clippers absolutely HAVE To keep are Lamar Odom Elton Brand. As long as these two are on the team, this team will be a playoff contender.

LO is the ONLY player on this team that is potentially the franchise caliber player that can carry a team to the title. Nobody else has that type of talent. Elton Brand just isn't physicall gifted enough. Darius Miles probably won't ever develop that tremendous feel for the game and naturalness that Odom has. Q and Maggette and Olowokandi aren't good enough. This is the reason I say we need to keep LO this year and not move him. If he has more problems or doesn't play like he did before this past year, then look to move him. But I think we have to give him the chance to prove himself again cuz if this team wants to win a title, he has the ability to lead them there.

And while Elton isn't a franchise player, he's a fantastic secondary/complementary player, especially to Odom. He's that consistent, hard working low post player that is going to give you a double double every night. His low post ability complements Odom's perimeter/slashing style.

Now, some might ask about DMiles. I fully expect him to be in the same class with LO and Brand in terms of being a key player. I think Brand, LO, and Miles are the 3 players that can lead this team to a title. But, right now, he isn't at that level. Thats just my own expectations of him, so I don't want to throw him in that group just yet.

And some may ask about Olowokandi. He is a guy that I do think is expendable. Kandi did improve this past season, and I couldnt be happier. But, he isn't worth anywhere near the MAX, and that is the type of contract he is going to command. He isn't good enough to get that type of money, and with guys like LO, Brand, and Miles, I would preferably not pay this guy that money. I don't want the team to get in a Vin Baker type situation where they pay a solid big man huge money and get tied down cuz of it, but they can't take the team to the next level. If Kandi could be had at a reasonable price, it'd be great to keep him around. But, he won't. He's a C, in a C starved league, and he's going to get paid. Thats why I say let him walk after next year(re-sign him for this year to allow for time to develop someone else).

Of the other guys: Q, Maggette, and Dooling, I think Maggette is the most expendable.
For starters, he's a FA at the same time LO and Brand are. We have excellent depth on the wing, so there's no need to re-sign him and make it 3 huge paydays at the same time. He's going to get money somewhere cuz he's a hard worker and athletic. Somebody will pay him. But, with LO and Miles and Q, and then Doolings ability to play the 2guard spot, and Jaric's ability to play the 3 spot(he's 6'7/8), we don't need Maggette.
Q is already better than Maggette, AND, is on his rookie contract for a couple more years. And, he's good friends with Q so he has that advantage as well. I think Maggette is the odd man out on this team, cuz of the position he plays, when he's up for FA, and to a lesser extent, his relationship with others(moreso when compared with Q, and Q has that closeness with DMiles - And Miles will probably be one of those key players).

If Im picking who to build around, Im building around LO, DMiles, and Brand. Maggette and Kandi are expendable IMO.

Re: the Draft.

At 8, I want Nene Hilario. He 's 6'10 in barefeet and 260lbs as a 19 year old. He's big enough now, and is only going to get bigger. IMO, he could be that replacement for Kandi when Kandi leaves AFTER next year(in my scenario). He has 2 years of experience overseas. He has a fantastic work ehtic and drive, and by that time, he'll have 2 summers to workout, and 1 year of playing experience. I think he'd be ready to play by then.

At 12, I'd like to see Tskitishvilli taken. Talent wise, there is no way in hell he'll be here. But, he hasn't played much overseas, so there's no way he's ready to play in the NBA. He's going to need another year or two overseas. Because of that, some teams will shy away, and that wll make him fall. If he's here, take him. We don't need him right now, but his potential down the road is huge, and we are one of the copule teams that can wait on him. If he's gone, I'd look at Marcus Haislip, Amare Stoudemire, or even Bostjan Nachbar cuz of his shooting ability.

Don't trade the picks. Keep them. Don't trade Odom. Keep him. The only player I'd be fine with moving right now is Maggette, so that'd be alright, but keep everyone else and let the team develop.

Geez, that was long. Thank you and goodnight :)
 

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The Clips must get rid of Odom so Darius can bloom. I don't know about this Jaric guy, but I still think they need a point guard. Odom and either the 8th or 12th seems like a great deal to get either Baron Davis or Andre Miller. If they did this trade, drafted nene, and kept Kandi this team would be a playoff tema, and a good one at that.
 

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The Clippers need to trade Odom and the 8th or 12th pick to Cleveland for Andre Miller. Miller distributes the rock, and would really help the Clippers.
 

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I can't believe you guys want to trade Odom.

That is ridiculous.

I know he wasn't on the court last year, for a couple reasons, but if you are really a Clipper fan, you truly understand what he means to this team. Let's not forget that Odom led a bunch of young, inexperienced players to double their win total from the previous year. Let's also not forget, that for the 10 game stretch that Odom was healthy and on the court last year, the clippers went 8-2 and were one of the hottest teams in the league.
If you are a true fan of the team, you remember this, and you know just how important he is to the team.

Darius Miles is my favorite player in the NBA. His enthusiasm and his closeness in age to me have drawn me to him. I think he is going to be a star in the NBA. BUT, he will not ever be as good as Lamar Odom. Odom has the ability to be a true franchise player, one of the to 5 players in the game. Miles does not have the court vision or feel that Odom has. Very few do. Thats what sets Odom apart from the rest of the 6'10 players in this league.

There is one player that the Clippers have on their roster that could possibly win them a title. You need that true superstar to win a title. The only player that fits that bill in LA is Lamar Odom. Its not Elton Brand. Its not Darius Miles. Its not Quentin Richardson. And it certainly is not Andre Miller(though I am a HUGE fan of his; local ties, plus I know a guy who played college ball with him). None of these players have the ability level to be a franchise player and won't be the player to take the team to a title. Odom is the only one that can potentially do that.

And, you do not need to get rid of Odom to let Miles flourish. Both can play together. There are two things the team needs to do - A, get rid of McInnis. This one has already been done. This opens up huge minutes. And B, cut Maggette's minutes(preferably trade him). I love Maggette. But, it's clear that he isn't as good as Q or Miles or Odom, and does not have the upside. He's the odd man out, and he needs to be moved to clear room for Miles. Not Odom. There are very few players in the league I would move Odom for, and Miles isn't one.

If LA trades Odom, they may become a very good team, but they will never win a title. They'll never make it that far in the West. They'll become a Seattle like team in that they are good enough to make the playoffs consistently, but they'll never get close enough for a title. With Odom, anything is possible.

And then of course, the actual deal proposed. Odom and a lottery pick for Miller? Yeah right. Baylor and Co. have already said that ain't happening cuz thats way too high a price. At least Baylor is wise enough to realize how good Odom is, and I hope he doesn't have a brain fart and let Odom slip out at the last minute.

I understand people have forgotten how good Odom is because of this past year. But, he is clearly the best player on the team. He is the best player the Clippers have ever had. They need to keep him. If for some reason, his problems of this past year bother him next year, THEN, move him. But you cannot move him now. If they do, they will regret it for a long time.
 
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