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So Cousins continues to be a crazy person in Sacramento and Boston's being mentioned as one of the most interested teams out there. Normally I hate chasing headcases, but I think that with Doc, Pierce, KG, and Rondo, this is actually the right locker room to turn his career around. Some mixture of Bradley, Sullinger, Melo, Jeff Green, and draft picks might be an attractive package for a Sacramento squad that needs an injection of character guys while still getting young guys who can contribute. Thoughts?
 

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This would be an unbelievable get for Boston if Ainge can somehow pull this off. KG will straighten out his career, and he will be the perfect big man for Rondo to carry the franchise torch with after Pierce and Garnett are long gone. Boston needs him, but he needs them even more. Match made in heaven.
 

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I think that with Doc, Pierce, KG, and Rondo, this is actually the right locker room to turn his career around.
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Some mixture of Bradley, Sullinger, Melo, Jeff Green, and draft picks might be an attractive package for a Sacramento squad that needs an injection of character guys while still getting young guys who can contribute. Thoughts?
Bradley or Sullinger is too much to give up for a known headcase who plays no defense and has an awful FG%, especially for a big man who plays in the post.

The salaries are hard to match for these teams without blowing it up into a much bigger trade, likely involving Green going there and a couple of their contracts headed our way (like Garcia and Hayes), so a third team would probably be needed. Regardless the most I'd give up for Cousins alone is Melo, a late draft pick, and filler like Wilcox or something.
 

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You don't think that a steady stream of Rondo spoon-feeding him easy dunks and layups might defuse some of the conflicts he's had over touches in Sacramento?

The salaries are hard to match for these teams without blowing it up into a much bigger trade, likely involving Green going there and a couple of their contracts headed our way (like Garcia and Hayes), so a third team would probably be needed. Regardless the most I'd give up for Cousins alone is Melo, a late draft pick, and filler like Wilcox or something.
The salaries aren't particularly hard to match up. Cousins makes a little under $4 mil, so two of Sullinger, Bradley, or Melo plus a minimum filler deal (either Joseph or Varnado) works.
 

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You don't think that a steady stream of Rondo spoon-feeding him easy dunks and layups might defuse some of the conflicts he's had over touches in Sacramento?
You said locker room. Rondo isn't exactly a model locker room presence.

The salaries aren't particularly hard to match up. Cousins makes a little under $4 mil, so two of Sullinger, Bradley, or Melo plus a minimum filler deal (either Joseph or Varnado) works.
And Sullinger or Bradley is too much to give up, for reasons I already mentioned.
 

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The Celtics as currently constituted are going nowhere in a big damn hurry. They are exactly the type of team which can make an actual rationale for a Cousins trade. If the worst happens you'll just have a big sullen brat on a max contract.
 

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You said locker room. Rondo isn't exactly a model locker room presence.
Rondo's actually a pretty good team guy, he just isn't too interested in being popular with stars on other teams. It came out that Ray was having problems with more than just Rondo in the locker room.


And Sullinger or Bradley is too much to give up, for reasons I already mentioned.

No, they aren't. Sullinger's a nice piece, but he's a career role-player, and Bradley's replaceable on this team (it's why they went out and added Barbosa). The team's trying to win now, and a mentally stable Cousins does more for the C's in the playoffs this year than either of those two guys.
 

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Rondo's actually a pretty good team guy, he just isn't too interested in being popular with stars on other teams.
The numerous reports of Rondo being a bitch disagree.

No, they aren't. Sullinger's a nice piece, but he's a career role-player, and Bradley's replaceable on this team (it's why they went out and added Barbosa). The team's trying to win now, and a mentally stable Cousins does more for the C's in the playoffs this year than either of those two guys.
Sullinger's rebounding and Bradley's defense can help this team now and for years to come. Gambling one or both of them on someone who plays no defense, has awful shot selection, shoots an abysmal percentage, has spent his career thus far learning bad habits, and may well turn out to be too much of a nut even for Doc, KG, and Pierce to set straight, isn't a good idea, especially when you don't have to do it. If teams were lining up for Cousins, he'd already be long gone from Sacramento. But they're not, because nobody wants him. I'd imagine the most important thing for the Kings is getting him out of town, because this era has been an abject failure for them and then some, and they'd rather just start over while keeping costs minimal. The Kings aren't in a position to dictate their price for him. Lowball them with Melo, a throwaway pick, and Wilcox/Collins-caliber filler, and tell them take it or leave it. If they pass and Cousins gets away, oh well, there will be other soft big men in the future.
 

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If Cousins does wind up landing on the Celtics, he will prove you wrong Floods... and it won't take very long.
 

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I personally saw the Celtics get hammered at Golden State (as I knew they would, after the Clipper debacle), but thought they would fare better in Sacto.

This team is going nowhere, it has to do something to shake up its lineup. Sacto keeps saying its keeping Cousins, but I think a good package would loosen things up a bit.
 

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The numerous reports of Rondo being a bitch disagree.

Except he has a good relationship with Doc, and a few teammates have come out this past year basically saying Rondo's stepped up and become team leader, as well as saying that Ray was having problems with a few people in the locker room (it's why you heard Pierce say how important it was to retain KG last year, but wasn't as strong on Ray). I mean, if you want to pretend it's still 2010 and the vets are mad about Rondo wanting to be treated as an all-star, that's cool, but it isn't what's happening anymore.


Sullinger's rebounding and Bradley's defense can help this team now and for years to come. Gambling one or both of them on someone who plays no defense, has awful shot selection, shoots an abysmal percentage, has spent his career thus far learning bad habits, and may well turn out to be too much of a nut even for Doc, KG, and Pierce to set straight, isn't a good idea, especially when you don't have to do it.
Obviously everything depends on Cousins being able to turn things around in Boston, it's why he's available and essentially the whole point of a potential trade. I'm also not going to turn this into me saying that Bradley and Sullinger don't have value, because they're both nice supporting players. However, the facts are that Bradley's a defensive role-player with a history of getting banged up and having to miss time, and Sullinger's a PF-C who's under 6'8" with a bad back. Neither one's a guy you can build a team around, and neither are going to take over a playoff series. This is a veteran, win-now squad that's under .500 with no chance of beating Miami as constructed. Cousins, if his head is screwed on straight, is one of the only guys who's both available at a discount and able to give Boston a punchers' chance this spring.
 

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I'm not honestly convinced that Cousins is really going to be a good player at this point, but it's obvious that the Celtics are not going to succeed with their current roster. Bradley'll make them a bit better, but that doesn't change much. A Cousins trade is a pretty good gamble, but it's not like you have much to lose in the grand scheme. It's about the only move available which doesn't involve trading away your entire core.
 

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I'm not honestly convinced that Cousins is really going to be a good player at this point, but it's obvious that the Celtics are not going to succeed with their current roster. Bradley'll make them a bit better, but that doesn't change much. A Cousins trade is a pretty good gamble, but it's not like you have much to lose in the grand scheme. It's about the only move available which doesn't involve trading away your entire core.
I think the obvious comparison is Zach Randolph, right down to being shipped out of town on a discount, but that basically sums up how I feel about it. Regardless of how it works out, preserving the status quo isn't going to end up accomplishing anything and there's no other trade out there with as much upside.
 

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Except he has a good relationship with Doc, and a few teammates have come out this past year basically saying Rondo's stepped up and become team leader, as well as saying that Ray was having problems with a few people in the locker room (it's why you heard Pierce say how important it was to retain KG last year, but wasn't as strong on Ray). I mean, if you want to pretend it's still 2010 and the vets are mad about Rondo wanting to be treated as an all-star, that's cool, but it isn't what's happening anymore.
2010? Try last season for Rondo drama in the locker room. He needs more than three months of keeping his head screwed on tight for me to be convinced.

Obviously everything depends on Cousins being able to turn things around in Boston, it's why he's available and essentially the whole point of a potential trade. I'm also not going to turn this into me saying that Bradley and Sullinger don't have value, because they're both nice supporting players. However, the facts are that Bradley's a defensive role-player with a history of getting banged up and having to miss time, and Sullinger's a PF-C who's under 6'8" with a bad back. Neither one's a guy you can build a team around, and neither are going to take over a playoff series. This is a veteran, win-now squad that's under .500 with no chance of beating Miami as constructed. Cousins, if his head is screwed on straight, is one of the only guys who's both available at a discount and able to give Boston a punchers' chance this spring.
Why does it matter if they aren't franchise players? Even if the behavioral problems straighten out, Cousins has a ways to go before he could be considered a decent building block, considering he doesn't play any defense and has gawdawful shot selection, and 3 years in Sacramento all but cemented those bad habits. I'd much rather have the two guys who know how to play.

And yeah, Sullinger and Bradley could get injured, while Cousins very well could continue to be a dumbshit and amount to a waste of assets. I'd bet money on the latter.

This team isn't winning with Cousins, unless he turns into 2000 Shaq overnight.
 

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2010? Try last season for Rondo drama in the locker room. He needs more than three months of keeping his head screwed on tight for me to be convinced.

The problems were with Ray, and as other guys who were in the locker room have said, Ray was having problems with more than just Rondo. Beyond Ray, he got along very well with the majority of the team.



Why does it matter if they aren't franchise players? Even if the behavioral problems straighten out, Cousins has a ways to go before he could be considered a decent building block, considering he doesn't play any defense and has gawdawful shot selection, and 3 years in Sacramento all but cemented those bad habits. I'd much rather have the two guys who know how to play.
It matters that they aren't all-stars because the team isn't going anywhere with the guys that know how to play. Unless they unload Pierce and KG for a complete tear-down, this is the Celtics for the next year or two beyond this season, and they don't have what it takes. Long term, a Rondo-Bradley-Lee-Green-Sullinger core is good for 36-40 wins and an eight-seed. It's absolutely a situation that might not work out, but regardless of whether or not the organization can handle him (and I think they have a good shot at it), you aren't gambling much in the trade.



And yeah, Sullinger and Bradley could get injured, while Cousins very well could continue to be a dumbshit and amount to a waste of assets. I'd bet money on the latter.

This team isn't winning with Cousins, unless he turns into 2000 Shaq overnight.
The exact same things were all said about Zach Randolph, and he went from being literally given away by multiple teams to a borderline franchise guy just by getting his head screwed on straight. He doesn't have to be a good defender - Brandon Bass wasn't last year when the team almost made the Finals with him. All Cousins needs to do is park himself in the low post on offense and grab rebounds on both sides of the floor for the team to win.
 
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