When analyzing a trade you have to look at what the goal for the team is.
Does this trade, alone, represent a clear move to "win later?" No. If the goal was to blow this team up, this is a step in the wrong direction, given the Lopez contract.
Does this trade, along, represent a clear move to "win now?" No. Even if we replaced Rose from last season with Lopez that won't move the needle in a meaningful way.
What does it actually accomplish for management?
It gets them off the hook for having to make a very hard decision next off-season regarding Derrick Rose, especially since he's going to be going balls-out to have a great season in his contract year, assuming the fire in his belly for such things still exists. And if Rose had a great season, it would be a management nightmare decision.
They also had a somewhat tough call regarding Noah. This move gets them off the hook on not bringing back a popular player.
The Bulls are not currently markedly better now then they were this morning. The Bulls might be worse off for this upcoming season, if Rose did have one monster contract year season left in the tank. But if that happened, management had an impossible choice.
Management now doesn't have to make that choice. That's why this trade was made.
When analyzing a trade you have to look at what the goal for the team is.
Does this trade, alone, represent a clear move to "win later?" No. If the goal was to blow this team up, this is a step in the wrong direction, given the Lopez contract.
Does this trade, along, represent a clear move to "win now?" No. Even if we replaced Rose from last season with Lopez that won't move the needle in a meaningful way.
What does it actually accomplish for management?
It gets them off the hook for having to make a very hard decision next off-season regarding Derrick Rose, especially since he's going to be going balls-out to have a great season in his contract year, assuming the fire in his belly for such things still exists. And if Rose had a great season, it would be a management nightmare decision.
They also had a somewhat tough call regarding Noah. This move gets them off the hook on not bringing back a popular player.
The Bulls are not currently markedly better now then they were this morning. The Bulls might be worse off for this upcoming season, if Rose did have one monster contract year season left in the tank. But if that happened, management had an impossible choice.
Management now doesn't have to make that choice. That's why this trade was made.
I think the bolded portion is pretty far off the mark. They just traded the most beloved Bull since MJ. In no way whatsoever did this get the front office "off the hook" for anything. They now have their necks stuck out there if Rose blows up this season.
The same is somewhat true if they let Noah walk.
This is very much the Bulls saying "we're moving on from these guys." The way they protect themselves with the fans is to take no action and have Rose/Noah move on for greener pastures, allowing the FO to say "we tried."
I would not be surprised to see a much more aggressive Rose willing to sacrifice his body this season, in order to secure another big contract. I'm unsure if that fire inside him exists anymore though, or if his body could hold up to that abuse.
I like the move quite a bit. The real question is this: Are you okay chewing up ~$14 million of cap space next season (while still projecting to have a max slot and then some) in order to lock down a good (but not great) starting 5 for 3 years for reasonable money and to get Jerian Grant? To me, that seems reasonable. Though it does have an impact on the 2017 cap, I would think that the Lopez contact is going to be thoroughly moveable once we see what Biyombo, Noah, etc. get this offseason.
Gar calling this a retooling lol wtf. It's like replacing name brand cereal with the generic brand.
I'm so sick of this franchise, all the bullshit they feed to the fanbase. Just be honest and say that rose was traded for the obvious fucking reasons, instead they spin it like they are making the team better.
Trade Jimmy, fire everyone. I'm ready for new ownership.
Trade is what it is. I'm just done with the front office. They fully believe that rose was the reason nobody took Fred Hoiberg serious.
If only the Bulls and ownership would put as much effort into winning and talent development as they did when they wrote up a letter aimed at their former coach...
It seems like many people in this town are pretty negative on GarPax at this point.
If they thought their machinations would make them come out of dumping Thibs, Rose and Noah and replacing them with Hoiball looking good, they thought wrong.
They are still collecting checks though and the head coach isn't showing them up anymore. They have bought time. More checks.
GarPax are started to be hated in this town by more than just a minority. Thibs is universally respected around the league.
If they can get these Bulls actually contending again though, they will look OK. They thought they were better than Thibs. Now they have to prove it with having a contending team again.
You don't trade him for scraps if you believed that he was a fit with Hoiberg and Butler. You can't have 2 guys ignoring their coach at the same time, now they just have one.
You trade him because he sucks at basketball and was leaving next year anyway. I don't really see this as as Hoiberg fit issue, as such.
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