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I'm reading articles, KG appears to be at a boiling point, and may just asked to be traded. We heard the rumors this season, that Zeke has the "hots" for KG. Do you think we have enough to pull off a blockbuster to bring "The Big Ticket" to the Garden next season?
 
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Yes. Channing Frye is a much sought-after young player, and the kind that Minnesota (or any other team) would want, especially to replace an All Star like Garnett. Whether the trade's a good idea for the Knicks is another question.
 

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New York Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Jalen Rose
6-8 SG from Michigan
12.5 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 2.5 apg in 27.4 minutes

Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
13.8 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 0.3 apg in 26.6 minutes

Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
8.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.3 minutes

Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
13.0 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.5 apg in 30.7 minutes

Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
8.4 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 19.4 minutes

David Lee
6-9 PF from Florida
4.9 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.6 apg in 16.4 minutes

Incoming

Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
21.8 ppg, 12.4 rpg, 4.0 apg in 39.1 minutes

Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
11.3 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.3 apg in 27.6 minutes

Ricky Davis
6-7 SG from Iowa
19.3 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 5.1 apg in 41.4 minutes

Troy Hudson
6-1 PG from Southern Illinois
9.5 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 22.1 minutes

Marko Jaric
6-7 SG from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
8.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 4.0 apg in 28.9 minutes

Change in team outlook: +9.4 ppg, +2.4 rpg, and +6.9 apg.

Minnesota Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy (HS)
21.8 ppg, 12.4 rpg, 4.0 apg in 39.1 minutes

Mark Blount
7-0 C from Pittsburgh
11.3 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.3 apg in 27.6 minutes

Ricky Davis
6-7 SG from Iowa
19.3 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 5.1 apg in 41.4 minutes

Troy Hudson
6-1 PG from Southern Illinois
9.5 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 22.1 minutes

Marko Jaric
6-7 SG from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)
8.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 4.0 apg in 28.9 minutes

Incoming

Jalen Rose
6-8 SG from Michigan
12.5 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 2.5 apg in 27.4 minutes

Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
13.8 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 0.3 apg in 26.6 minutes

Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
8.4 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 19.4 minutes

David Lee
6-9 PF from Florida
4.9 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 0.6 apg in 16.4 minutes

Danny Fortson
6-8 PF from Cincinnati
3.8 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.1 apg in 12.0 minutes

Vitaly Potapenko
6-10 C from Wright State
2.7 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.8 minutes

Francisco Garcia
6-7 SF from Louisville
6.2 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.5 apg in 21.1 minutes

Sergei Monia
6-8 SF from Russia (Foreign)
3.2 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.8 apg in 14.3 minutes

Change in team outlook: -14.7 ppg, +1.1 rpg, and -9.3 apg.

Seattle Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Danny Fortson
6-8 PF from Cincinnati
3.8 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.1 apg in 12.0 minutes

Incoming

Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
8.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.3 minutes

Change in team outlook: +4.4 ppg, +0.8 rpg, and +1.5 apg.

Sacramento Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Vitaly Potapenko
6-10 C from Wright State
2.7 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.8 minutes

Francisco Garcia
6-7 SF from Louisville
6.2 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.5 apg in 21.1 minutes

Sergei Monia
6-8 SF from Russia (Foreign)
3.2 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 0.8 apg in 14.3 minutes

Incoming

Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
13.0 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.5 apg in 30.7 minutes

Change in team outlook: +0.9 ppg, -4.3 rpg, and +0.9 apg.

Successful Scenario
Due to New York, Minnesota, Seattle and Sacramento being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New York, Minnesota, Seattle and Sacramento had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Trade ID 3024180.

Doesn't include picks. Best I could do. Of course, I'm not sure how many contracts the Timberwolves want to get rid of, but this gets rid of 42% of their salary in one year, and anybody they take for more than a year is 25 or younger.
 

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Of course, we do

But do we want to? Doesn't do any good to trade for a 30 year old superstar with lots of miles (NBA since 19),, unless the team can compete for a title in 2 years or less. Wolves will want at least Frye and another young guy, plus they will want to dump big contracts...there goes the future. Makes more sense for a team lacking one piece.
 

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Would you guys trade Frye and say Maurice Taylor and/or some other expiring contract for KG? Basically, do you guys value Frye so much that you would keep him over one of the biggest established superstars in the league? I think that we can hold on to our future if we hold on to Curry, DLee, Nate, Qyntel, and JButler and we can get pretty big results from a trade like that. KG's rebounding and defense alone will make our team much better than it is. We've needed interior defense since Kurt left and KG can give it to us. Not only that but he's incredible unselfish and can make players better even from the position he plays (check the assists). Frye may become a star in the future but isnt it a bit much to suggest that he'll become as good/better than the Big Ticket. As far as i'm concerned the Big Ticket could be a Big Ticket to the playoffs.
 

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We don't have the type of contracts Minnesota would want

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Yes we have the names and contracts to make a move like this.



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No we don't. They'll want expiring contracts and young guys and all we have are Jalen Rose and Mo Taylor. The young guys are still on their rookie contracts and won't have enough value to be able to take salary off their books. They'll probably want us to take at least Mark Blount and Troy Hudson. There would have to be another team or teams involved to actually get anything done. I highly doubt if Kevin Garnett moves that they'd want Francis or Marbury, being that they're less than two years younger. They're not going to want Malik Rose or Jerome James or anybody like that. Their contracts are too bad. Realistically, all of our contracts outside of the young guys and the expiring are too bad. They're a small market team expected to enter a rebuilding mode if they trade Kevin Garnett. They cannot risk the seven million plus on guys like Crawford or Richardson and hope that they return to form.
 
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Jalen Rose, Mo Taylor, Channing Frye and <insert name of random Knicks player making less than seven million here> for Garnett, Jaric, Hudson, and Blount works under the CBA. This allows Minnesota to increase their odds of winning the Greg Oden sweepstakes while unloading their deadweight deals and clearing their cap for the 2007 offseason. That sort of deal would have a lot of appeal for Minnesota, and probably be the Knicks best shot at landing Garnett.
 

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Would you guys trade Frye and say Maurice Taylor and/or some other expiring contract for KG? Basically, do you guys value Frye so much that you would keep him over one of the biggest established superstars in the league? I think that we can hold on to our future if we hold on to Curry, DLee, Nate, Qyntel, and JButler and we can get pretty big results from a trade like that. KG's rebounding and defense alone will make our team much better than it is. We've needed interior defense since Kurt left and KG can give it to us. Not only that but he's incredible unselfish and can make players better even from the position he plays (check the assists). Frye may become a star in the future but isnt it a bit much to suggest that he'll become as good/better than the Big Ticket. As far as i'm concerned the Big Ticket could be a Big Ticket to the playoffs.
Some of you dont get it. They would want more then Frye and Mo talyor. That would just not happen. I was listening to mike and the maddog the other day were people were phoneing in saying trade ideas like that for KG to come to New York. They would say "Frye and Mo taylor" for KG and you know what Mike did to them....laughed his *** off and hung up on them.

No we don't. They'll want expiring contracts and young guys and all we have are Jalen Rose and Mo Taylor. The young guys are still on their rookie contracts and won't have enough value to be able to take salary off their books. They'll probably want us to take at least Mark Blount and Troy Hudson. There would have to be another team or teams involved to actually get anything done. I highly doubt if Kevin Garnett moves that they'd want Francis or Marbury, being that they're less than two years younger. They're not going to want Malik Rose or Jerome James or anybody like that. Their contracts are too bad. Realistically, all of our contracts outside of the young guys and the expiring are too bad. They're a small market team expected to enter a rebuilding mode if they trade Kevin Garnett. They cannot risk the seven million plus on guys like Crawford or Richardson and hope that they return to form.
Well said.
 

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Would you guys trade Frye and say Maurice Taylor and/or some other expiring contract for KG? Basically, do you guys value Frye so much that you would keep him over one of the biggest established superstars in the league? I think that we can hold on to our future if we hold on to Curry, DLee, Nate, Qyntel, and JButler and we can get pretty big results from a trade like that. KG's rebounding and defense alone will make our team much better than it is. We've needed interior defense since Kurt left and KG can give it to us. Not only that but he's incredible unselfish and can make players better even from the position he plays (check the assists). Frye may become a star in the future but isnt it a bit much to suggest that he'll become as good/better than the Big Ticket. As far as i'm concerned the Big Ticket could be a Big Ticket to the playoffs.
It would be a ticket to the playoffs, but it's likely that it wouldn't mean a trip to the finals. A team should not be built for a short run of mediocrity. There are plenty of teams that do that, and in the long run, it doesn't bode well for the fan base. Yes, Frye could bust from here on out, but from what everyone has seen, it is just as likely that he'll excel. Given a decent rate of improvement, he's the type of guy that you can build around and being that he's young, you can get to where you want to be for a number of years by only compromising the number of years that it would take to for him to develop. Beyond that, there is enough young talent on the team that can be established with him despite the fact that the salary situation is out of control. If Marbury and Francis along with Richardson, Crawford, or preferably both can be dumped for guys with two years left on their contract during this offseason, that would mean that everyone but the current rookie class and Eddy Curry, who is young enough to be a rookie, would be off the books by the end of the 2007-2008 season. That shouldn't be to hard to do with Crawford and Richardson, though trying to swing that with Marbury and Francis could propose a problem. All in all, the salary situation isn't as bleak as everyone in New York makes it out to be, it would just require a general manager who actually had a brain in his head to iron out all the kinks.
 

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Well said.
Except that he's wrong, next year Jalen Rose & Mo Taylor will make a combined $26,651,500, which (alone) would allow them to take back $33,314,375 in trade. Add in Channing Frye and that figure increases to $36,220,625 (based on $28,976,500 in combined salary). That right there allows Minnesota to clear the deadweight off their roster while slashing payroll. That has to be enticing. More enticing than Ben Gordon and Tyson Chandler (which would be the Bulls offer).
 

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Except that he's wrong, next year Jalen Rose & Mo Taylor will make a combined $26,651,500, which (alone) would allow them to take back $33,314,375 in trade. Add in Channing Frye and that figure increases to $36,220,625 (based on $28,976,500 in combined salary). That right there allows Minnesota to clear the deadweight off their roster while slashing payroll. That has to be enticing. More enticing than Ben Gordon and Tyson Chandler (which would be the Bulls offer).
Factor in Garnett's 23,000,000 and that will allow us to take back only two of the guys that they'd want to get rid of.
 
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