[T.Shock]

There has been a lot written about Duhon possibly falling out of favor with Paxson and Skiles due to his off the court habits and the fact that he didn't get out on the court in the Detroit series, but I think from what we've seen is that Duhon could be a capable starting PG especially next to a legit big, star 2 guard. And I think if we combined Duhon with our 1st Round pick next year, we might be able to net a low post threat. So I made a list of teams that could use starting PGs and tried to work out some deals...

Atlanta
Acie Law would be best served by coming off the bench for a year or two and Claxton and Lue just aren't cutting it anymore. After drafting Horford, the Hawks have a glut at the 4 spot and we could gladly take one of the PFs off their hands so...

Chicago receives:
Marvin Williams

Atlanta receives:
Chris Duhon
Viktor Khryapa
2008 1st Round Pick

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2377~2435~2797&teams=1~1~4

Bulls Starters: Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Williams, Wallace
Rotation: Atkins(LLE), Sefolosha, Nocioni, Thomas, Noah

Milwaukee
If, and that is a big if, Milwaukee can convince Yi to come and play, they'll most likely have to start him or at least give him big minutes from Day 1 and that pretty much pushes Villanueva to the bench because of what they have invested in Gadzuric and Bogut. If the Bucks can't re-sign Mo Williams (although they should be able to) I think this deal would benefit both teams, giving the Bucks a stable PG next to Redd and give the Bulls a scoring option on the block.

Chicago receives:
Charlie Villanueva

Milwaukee receives:
Chris Duhon
2008 1st Round Pick

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2377~2792&teams=15~4

Bulls Starters: Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Villanueva, Wallace
Rotation: Atkins(LLE), Sefolosha, Nocioni, Tyrus, Noah

Cleveland
Now trading a player within your division could be dangerous, but I think a Cavs-Bulls trade (the one below) would benefit both teams with the Bulls losing nothing of value, but the Cavs gaining a much needed piece. Duhon would probably start for them along with Hughes and James and they could bring Boobie Gibson off the bench.

Chicago receives:
Drew Gooden

Cleveland receives:
Chris Duhon

Charlotte receives:
Adrian Griffin
Viktor Khryapa
2008 1st Round Pick

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2377~285~2435~1711&teams=5~30~30~4

Bulls Starters: Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Gooden, Wallace
Rotation: Atkins(LLE), Sefolosha, Nocioni, Tyrus, Noah

Memphis
Conley isn't going to be able to start right away, but the only thing we'd want from Memphis is Gasol. I don't want to include Deng, but with Duhon going as well we could probably not give away our 1st rounder and send Tyrus to Memphis as well or send away the 1st Rounder and pick up Hakim Warrick as well. A three way with Golden State could be interesting...

Chicago receives:
Pau Gasol
Hakim Warrick
Kyle Lowry

Memphis receives:
Luol Deng
Chris Duhon
Tyrus Thomas
Stephen Jackson
Branden Wright
2008 1st Round Pick(from Chicago)

Golden State receives:
Mike Miller
2008 2nd Round Pick(from Memphis)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=99~2429~2377~3032~1997~378~2197~996~3012~558~2794&teams=29~29~29~29~29~29~29~4~4~9~4

Bulls Starters: Hinrich, Gordon, Nocioni, Gasol, Wallace
Rotation: Lowry, Sefolosha, Warrick, Joe Smith(MLE), Noah

Lakers
Crittenton won't be ready to play for three more years and although they have Farmar already, Duhon may a more acceptable PG to Kobe. I think at the very least, the trade below could be solid for both teams as it is basically a straight up trade, but saves the Bulls the necessity of signing Nocioni and basically frees up money to re-sign both Deng and Gordon to long-term deals during the year.

Chicago receives:
Kwame Brown
Maurice Evans

Lakers receive:
Chris Duhon
P.J. Brown(S&T)
2008 1st Round Pick

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=99~2377~981~1031&teams=13~13~4~4

Bulls Starters: Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Tyrus, Wallace
Rotation: Atkins(LLE), Sefolosha, Evans, Kwame, Noah

Phoenix
Banks flamed out and was buried on D'Antonio's bench. The Suns could use a stable back-up behind Nash to prolong his good years and I think with all the big contracts they've given out, they could save some money by doing this deal especially since Duhon expires at the end of the year...

Chicago receives:
Boris Diaw

Phoenix receives:
Chris Duhon
2008 1st Round Pick

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2377~2167&teams=21~4

Bulls Starters: Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Diaw, Wallace
Rotation: Atkins(LLE), Sefolosha, Nocioni, Tyrus, Noah

Seattle
I know they have basically three point guards on their roster, but Duhon has less years and smaller dollar amounts than Watson and Ridnour. They could trade Watson (which they do in this deal) and go with a guard rotation of Ridnour, Duhon, West, and Wilkins. The Bulls get a lost post scorer and because of Noah, Tyrus (although I'd hate to deal him) becomes the necessary piece to get this deal done...

Chicago receives:
Chris Wilcox

Seattle receives:
Chris Duhon
Tyrus Thomas

Charlotte receives:
Earl Watson(back-up to Felton)
Adrian Griffin
Viktor Khryapa
2008 1st Round Pick(from Chicago)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2377~285~2435~3032~2416~1731~2506&teams=25~30~30~25~30~4~30

Bulls Starters: Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Wilcox, Wallace
Rotation: Atkins(LLE), Sefolosha, Nocioni, Joe Smith(MLE), Noah

Anyways, I'm just throwing potential deals out there and seeing what interests people. I dunno if I'd do the Seattle deal, the Memphis deal, or the Cleveland deal, but I'd think long and hard about them. Which deals would you do? Which would the other team NOT do?

 

[stl705]

I think you need to think of some other trades that might actually work.... Jordan must be a damn good GM if he can get those trades to go through, and the Warriors are trading Brandon Wright, Stephen Jackson, and others for Mike Miller?

You should layoff whatever your smoking for a little bit.

 

[kulaz3000]

Wait are we talking about Duhon here?

I know we're all Chicago Bulls fans, but arn't you over-valuing Duhon abit? Alot of those trades seems to be in favour of the Bulls by a HUGE margin. I think you need to put yourself in that trade teams shoes and ask whether you would do that trade.

Marvin for Duhon and a late first round pick? Would you if you were the Hawks? You'd be trading away a #2 pick for a second rounder and a late first rounder. Knight is a fool but he can't be that stupid can he?

CV for Duhon and a late first round pick? Would you if you were the Bucks? You'd be trading a #7 pick who is a legit an inside and outside threat with great range and height for a second rounder and a late first rounder? Plus, the Bucks still arn't even sure that Yi wil be playing for them.

Kwame? well he aint worth nothing in my opinion so maybe a Duhon and Kwame swap is fair. But Kwame? I don't that Paxson even glances at somenoe like him.


Gooden for Duhon? The Cavs just got into the playoffs, and you want them to trade away their starting powerforward for a point guard that even you admitted fell out of the Bulls rotation? Would you as the Cavs GM? Im sure that would please Lebron.

Diaw for Duhon and a late first round pick? There is a reason why that Banks fell out of their rotation. Its because he can't shoot. Duhon can't shoot.

Wilcox for Duhon and Tyrus. Tyrus for one is already better than Wilcox, and they pretty much have the same offensive game. Tyrus is already is a better instinctive rebounder and shot blocker by far, and their main go to move is the dunk.

Not to mention that most of these trades don't even match up salary wise, i think you've got to put yourself in position of the other GM's position. Im sure you'd be laughing at every trade proposition that includes Duhon.

But wait, we are talking about Duhon right?

 

[taurus515th]

Duhon, Khryapa, rights to Gray, and 08 pick for Collison

 

[kulaz3000]

Duhon, Khryapa, rights to Gray, and 08 pick for Collison

Thank you for being realistic. Id keep Gray though, just because we need all the size possible, plus Seattle already have enough big men.

Duhon, Khryapa and a late first rounder pick seems fair for Collison ONLY if Seattle feels that they are going to go strictly with youth and they don't want Collison taking mintues away from the new rookies.

 

[T.Shock]

Wait are we talking about Duhon here?

I know we're all Chicago Bulls fans, but arn't you over-valuing Duhon abit? Alot of those trades seems to be in favour of the Bulls by a HUGE margin. I think you need to put yourself in that trade teams shoes and ask whether you would do that trade.

Marvin for Duhon and a late first round pick? Would you if you were the Hawks? You'd be trading away a #2 pick for a second rounder and a late first rounder. Knight is a fool but he can't be that stupid can he?

CV for Duhon and a late first round pick? Would you if you were the Bucks? You'd be trading a #7 pick who is a legit an inside and outside threat with great range and height for a second rounder and a late first rounder? Plus, the Bucks still arn't even sure that Yi wil be playing for them.

Kwame? well he aint worth nothing in my opinion so maybe a Duhon and Kwame swap is fair. But Kwame? I don't that Paxson even glances at somenoe like him.


Gooden for Duhon? The Cavs just got into the playoffs, and you want them to trade away their starting powerforward for a point guard that even you admitted fell out of the Bulls rotation? Would you as the Cavs GM? Im sure that would please Lebron.

Diaw for Duhon and a late first round pick? There is a reason why that Banks fell out of their rotation. Its because he can't shoot. Duhon can't shoot.

Wilcox for Duhon and Tyrus. Tyrus for one is already better than Wilcox, and they pretty much have the same offensive game. Tyrus is already is a better instinctive rebounder and shot blocker by far, and their main go to move is the dunk.

Not to mention that most of these trades don't even match up salary wise, i think you've got to put yourself in position of the other GM's position. Im sure you'd be laughing at every trade proposition that includes Duhon.

But wait, we are talking about Duhon right?

Okay let me try to explain myself a bit...

The Hawks deal. First of all they don't have a 1st round pick so picking up a pick that will probably be in the 22-25 range would be a nice little prize for them. Second, here are Atlanta's forwards: Al Horford, Zaza Pachulia, Shelden Williams, Josh Smith, Marvin Williams. Perhaps Marvin may have been a bit too ambitious, but I think you have to consider it if you are the Hawks. Would a Duhon for Sheldon deal work? Would you do it?

As for the Bucks, I agree that a deal like that won't happen in all likelihood. Milwaukee will probably re-sign Mo Williams and Yi will probably end up somewhere else. But any good GM should try to swindle teams, that is how you make your team better. If Milwaukee laughs at us, oh well, Paxson gave it a shot right.

I think the Cavs trade is legit, perhaps a little in favor of the Bulls. Cleveland is basically getting their starting PG who is a hell of a lot better than Eric Snow, they can re-sign Varejao, and let Gooden head off to greener pastures. But intradivision trades are tricky and Gooden is a little more valuable than Duhon.

The Memphis trade was just a little fun. If I'm Golden State, I definitely ditch Jackson and Wright for Mike Miller. Miller is severely underrated and on a team like Golden State, Miller could probably put up 20+ a game with his shooting ability. Jackson is volatile and can go on hot/cold streaks and Wright is an untested rookie.

The Lakers trade is probably the best of the bunch and if I'm Paxson, why not pick up Kwame and his expiring deal for P.J. Brown. Essentially, Kwame would be a more capable version of P.J. for a year and his deal could be used as an expiring to pick up Gasol as well.

Phoenix is looking to dump salary and Diaw didn't play all that well last year, he has a big extension kicking in this season and I think the Game 4 problems may play a part in being able to get Diaw. I would consider throwing in Noah (since the Suns wanted him) for Diaw who I think would just get better in a Bulls uniform.

I think the Seattle deal is legit too. Duhon + Tyrus for Wilcox. I gotta believe that is a good deal for Seattle and Charlotte basically acts as a facilitator for the trades involving BYC players and picks up a late 1st rounder for their troubles.

 

[stl705]

Okay let me try to explain myself a bit...

There's no explanation to some of those trades: Charlette getting players and picks and not giving anything up; and I wouldn't trade Mike Miller for Stephen Jackson straight up, let alone giving up the 8th pick in this years draft and some other players for him.

 

[soonerterp]

God please no, not Kwame Brown.

BUT -- Chris Wilcox or Nick Collison from Seattle would be nice if it means the Bulls part ways with Duhon.

 

[T.Shock]

There's no explanation to some of those trades: Charlette getting players and picks and not giving anything up; and I wouldn't trade Mike Miller for Stephen Jackson straight up, let alone giving up the 8th pick in this years draft and some other players for him.

Ummm, you do know that in multiple team deals when the two other teams need to dump salary because of BYC implications that a third team which is under the cap is required. And Charlotte isn't getting any stars. I'd hardly call Earl Watson a dealbreaker. Or a late first round pick for the Bulls if it meant getting the deal done.

And I'm sorry, but Miller was a far superior player to Jackson last year and is a better fit for NellieBall than Jackson. Nellie's system relies on two things: athleticism and good outside shooting. Jackson is more athletic than Miller (though Mikey isn't a slouch) but Miller is the far superior shooter.

Just take this into consideration:

Miller: 18.5 ppg, 5.4 reb, 46% FG%, 41% 3PT, 80% FT
Jackson: 15.5 ppg, 3.0 reb, 43% FG%, 32% 3PT, 81% FT

Yea, Jackson is definitely a better player than Miller. And Miller is less likely to get tossed out of a game and end up costing his team a win. If the Grizz called me up and asked for S-Jax for Mike Miller straight up, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Although, Richardson and Jackson for Miller may be overkill and that would be the deal essentially. Richardson and Jackson for Miller + 1st is a fair deal in my book though.

 

[Snake]

Alright I think these are some reasonable deals. Some filler may be needed for these deals and maybe some 2nd round picks one way or the other to make them work.

Duhon to Spurs for rights to Luis Scola and Beno Udrih
Spurs get quality backup PG who expires this season (they don't like long term contracts). Spurs could include someone else instead of Udrih though at this point I think his useless in SA. Could only be done if the Spurs have given up on bringing Scola over.

Duhon + filler for Marcus Camby
Denver needs a PG. Could only be done if they're looking to dump Camby's salary.

Duhon for Reggie Evans
Somewhat fair talent wise, Denver gets a PG and they dump some salary. Evans is a great rebounder which we could use but has some jib problems, not sure how he would get along with Skiles.

Duhon for Michael Doleac
Miami needs another PG now that GP is done and Williams was pretty inconsistant this year. Bulls get front court depth.

Duhon + filler for Corey Maggette
Clippers get a PG now that Cassell is old and Livingston is injured. They get rid of Maggette who they're trying to shop and will expire at the end of the season. Doesn't help the front court and creates a bit of a jam but quality wise is a great trade.

Duhon for Zaza Pachulia
Hawks get PG to help get Law get through his rookie season and Bulls get a solid big on a reasonable contract. Not sure if they want to trade Zaza but they might want to play Horford at C to help clear up the log jam they've got with their forwards.

 

[TripleDouble]

If the Bulls deal Duhon and Hinrich gets hurt for an extended period of time they are screwed.

 

[ATLien]

That Atlanta deal sounds nice. Shelden, Marvin. Heck take them both.

 

[jbulls]

Duhon / Thomas / 2008 first rounder / Griffin / Khryapa for Chris Wilcox?!?

:jawdrop:

I like Wilcox more than most, but that's an absolute ton to give up for him.

 

[step]

I'd trade for Wilcox in a contract year, that's about it.

 

[yodurk]

Ok, now that we're talking about dealing Duhon here, I'm much more open to Nick Collison. That's more the ballpark I had in mind (rather than our #9 draft pick!).

Duhon + next year's first rounder + another cheap asset or two

for

Collison

Tyrus/Noah/Collison/Wallace as our bigs...still a bit small but much better than last year in nearly every facet.

 

[Snake]

Ok, now that we're talking about dealing Duhon here, I'm much more open to Nick Collison. That's more the ballpark I had in mind (rather than our #9 draft pick!).

Duhon + next year's first rounder + another cheap asset or two

for

Collison

Tyrus/Noah/Collison/Wallace as our bigs...still a bit small but much better than last year in nearly every facet.

I'd love to get Collison. But the Sonics now have West, Watson, and Ridnour at PG, they won't want Duhon. They need a SG after trading Ray Allen (they did get Wally but he's always injured) so they might be willing to do Thabo-Collison but I don't know if I want that since the point of getting Thabo was to have a big guard to supplement Ben and Kirk.

 

[TripleDouble]

I don't understand the fascination with Collison. We've got plenty of PF-sized bigs.

 

[Krande]

Memphis
Conley isn't going to be able to start right away, but the only thing we'd want from Memphis is Gasol. I don't want to include Deng, but with Duhon going as well we could probably not give away our 1st rounder and send Tyrus to Memphis as well or send away the 1st Rounder and pick up Hakim Warrick as well. A three way with Golden State could be interesting...

Chicago receives:
Pau Gasol
Hakim Warrick
Kyle Lowry

Memphis receives:
Luol Deng
Chris Duhon
Tyrus Thomas
Stephen Jackson
Branden Wright
2008 1st Round Pick(from Chicago)

Golden State receives:
Mike Miller
2008 2nd Round Pick(from Memphis)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=99~2429~2377~3032~1997~378~2197~996~3012~558~2794&teams=29~29~29~29~29~29~29~4~4~9~4

Bulls Starters: Hinrich, Gordon, Nocioni, Gasol, Wallace
Rotation: Lowry, Sefolosha, Warrick, Joe Smith(MLE), Noah

LOVE THIS TRADE! It would make sense if we switched Gasol or Warrick with US getting Stephen Jackson though... Jackson would be a perfect fit with us...look what he did in the playoffs!!!

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