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Well I'm not sure if you can copy and paste stories but heres the link:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune...s/cs-020722bulls.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

Basically Fizer's days are probably numbered and is being offered out for a SF. Robinson although heathy now just isn't the defender they need at SF so they keep searching. Harpring and Miller ar brought up again. So is Lewis who they think is too expensive to worry about. Supposedly things have kinda stalled though. Well if we do trade him for a SF then is a possible Skinner/Baxter really a solution for backup PF? And do we even use the mid level exception? Who would be left at PF/C worth $4.5 mill and would be happy with 20-25mpg? I'm not so sure I'd be too happy with a Fizer for Harpring deal though. We better get one if not both of those GS #1's they traded for Jiri Welsch in addition to Harpring.
 

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Another important fact in the article "Jalen Rose, who will play SG". So it that it finally?

JWill or JCraw yet to be decided/Mason
JRose/Hassell/Hoiberg (if not included in trade)
....?..../ERob
Chandler/.....?....../Baxter (assuming fizer is traded)
Curry/.....?....../Bagaric (please let there be someone ahead of bags)

And we need another PG????

Are Mason and Baxter actually playing for roster spots?
 

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I take this article with a grain of salt and wouldnt read too much into it.

Its a slow summer and copy still needs to be put out there.

Pulp.

Fact is we do not know what we have in ERob yet. He has not been sufficiently roadtested to proper opinion to be formed as to his defensive capacity - good or otherwise.

I personally think he has all the tools to be a very good defender - very quick , long arms, athletic , can outjump most folk

If by the trade deadline he is not blowing the wind up anyone's skirts let's have a look see then - but our supposed defensive woes with ERob are not going to be fixed with Mike Miller

Wally and Marc Jax can be had though

Fizer, Hassell and Crawford may get the deal done

I think if eveyone can take the d*ck out of MJax's a$$ long enough and he loses the "tude which he prolly is very entitled to have - if given the chance to be worthwhile and contribute - I think he could really rip it up and be an excellent player to have in the rotation at the 5 and 4.
 

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I guess at this point I'm not too keen on making any deals (which is a change from my prior views). One thing I might try, however, is a swap of Keon Clark for ERob (via sign and trade or three way?) and then a trade of Fizer for Harpring. If we have to include Best in there, that's cool too.

I'd really rather not part with Hassell.

If we could pull off those deals in some form or another (don't bet on it, given that it appears we don't want Clark) That would swap our two well-paid offensive minded role players for a couple defensive-minded role players.

If we could somehow get unload ERob, it would make me much more receptive to picking up Harpring. But if we have ERob, Hassell, Rose, and Crawford all vying for PT, I don't see how we could satisfy all of those guys as well as Harpring.
 

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The Bulls should go after Rashard Lewis outright without
any trades for a SF. They could easily sign him to a good deal and still have all of their guys. I think the Bulls do want to part with the money right now in fear of losing JCraw, Chandler or Curry in the future.
This is dumb. Start winng and they will stay. Get Lewis from Seattle, sign CLark/Willis/Popeye/whoever is available( Manning)
and then think about getting rid of ERob or Fizer or woever.
 

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Trade Crawford?

I said before these games started that I would need some kind of evidence that Crawford was worth keeping. Now, Based solely on SUS's reports, I think ANY talk of trading Crawford is LUDICROUS!:devil: Jay Williams WILL be very good at point guard and shooting guard once he gets his feet on the ground. Give this guy some time, please? I agree with attempting a sign and trade deal EROB for clark, IF EROB can pass a physical....that would be the rough part. IF there were a way to "Give away" EROB without being stuck with his salary, I would be ALL FOR IT. As someone else posted, surely EROB DOES have the physical attributes to be a great defender; I am just not sure this guy can stay healthy for 5 games in a row. After that, I would only trade fizer for Mike Miller....NOT Matt Harpring. Miller has already at his young age, proven he is a shooter in the NBA....let him have some more time on his defensive skill level. I do not know a LOT about Mason and or baxter but it sounds as if guyton's and hoiberg's days might just be numbered.:grinning:
 

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Originally posted by ABull
We better get one if not both of those GS #1's they traded for Jiri Welsch in addition to Harpring.
GSW gave the Sixers back a Sixer #1 for Welsh. The second #1 is conditional - if certain conditions are met it's a first, otherwise a second round pick. GSW only owe Sixers a GSW 1st round draft pick if their record is one of the three best in the league this year. Or if hell freezes over.
 

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Besides Brad Miller, Krause's free agent signings have all been busts starting with Brent Barry. Now we're starting to hear that even the Bulls brass believes that ERob doesn't fill a need. All that money spent on him and we're now looking for someone to start next to Rose?

Now that the Sonics have traded Vin Baker, does that mean Shard is off the market or does it mean that Seattle could use a combination of Fizer and ERob in return?
 

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I think Nate McMillan likes guys who can play defense.

If the reason the Bulls are looking to package ERob and Fizer is because they can't play defense, I find it hard to believe you are going to see them packaged together to grab anything.

This must be a real blow to ERob, he never even got a chance.
 

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Don't read too much into the article. Normaly, KC does a pretty nice job and nearly has a very cool last name, but this is a hack article.

The premise is that we want to get a SF b/c eRob and Rose might be a weak tandum together DEFENSIVELY. And Miller and Rose is the anwser?

I don't think so.

BCH, please save your gloating until it is really proven that EROB can't add any value. Right now, he is just our Larry Hughes.
 

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Originally posted by BCH
This must be a real blow to ERob, he never even got a chance.
I agree. I'd at least like to see him play "healthy" before we write the guy off.
 

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IMO E-Rob will get a chance next season. A lot of folks seem to want to "unload" his salary, not realising that he is a good deal if he plays up to what he is capable of. Of course it is very difficult to do that on the bench, so hopefully he will be fully healed this year and we can see what he can do. IMO, any trade of Fizer for Miller or Harpring is just insurance in case E-Rob has injury problems, plus whoever we get can push E-Rob in practice. I don't know where all of the "E-Rob is not working out" sentiment is coming from.
 

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BCH,

He may not have gotten a chance, but you can't really blame the Bulls any more than you can blame him.

His toe caught everyone by surprise and only time will tell if he is healthy enough to play reguarly this year. I think if he is healthy, he plays. I do think that he is not what the Bulls had envisioned. His rainbow jumpers are not exactly what you hope for from an athletic swing man.

Personally, I hope they don't trade anyone and go with the line up of:

PG - JWill
SG - JCraw
SF - Rose
PF - Chandler
C - Curry

Let's let these guys run. I don't want to lose, but I don't see how gaining Miller or Harpring makes us that much better. Fizer is fine for a 6th Man. Let him really shine this year at that spot.

I also think Crawford is starting to show signs again, albeit Summer League competition. Let's see what we have in him.
Unless we are getting a certified Stud (Rashard Lewis) and combo trade (Fizer and Crawford) should be shot down.
 

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Originally posted by ace20004u
IMO E-Rob will get a chance next season. A lot of folks seem to want to "unload" his salary, not realising that he is a good deal if he plays up to what he is capable of. Of course it is very difficult to do that on the bench, so hopefully he will be fully healed this year and we can see what he can do. IMO, any trade of Fizer for Miller or Harpring is just insurance in case E-Rob has injury problems, plus whoever we get can push E-Rob in practice. I don't know where all of the "E-Rob is not working out" sentiment is coming from.
I agree that E-Rob will get some minutes next season. He was signed long term (5 yrs/30 mil?) to play. He showed very little last season, minus some nice fast break dunks. But as I've always said, E-Rob is a poor man's Tyrone Nesby. Until E-Rob can show some consistency, especially on defense and with his jumper, fans in Chi-town will be on his case.

I was expecting E-Rob to be more of a slasher and finisher. But he is NOT. MAybe its the toe or confidence or whatever... but at this point he is strictly a jumpshooter. And at that, not a very good one.

I put E-Rob in the category of young players who had good playoff performances, got big contracts, but had little or no significant impact afterwards. Some other examples include: Austin Croshere and Tim Thomas. E-Rob has to show something, and quickly.

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With respect to trading JC, absolutely, positively, out of the question. Like it or not JWIll fans, JC is our starting PG this season. If the Trib is right (which it is often not) and Jalen is pushing to play SG, don't be surprised to see Hassell moved into the starting SF role. Remember in the triangle offense, the PG, SG, and SF are all interchangable. And on the fast break, positions don't matter as long as you have a strong PG and 2 men on the wings. I've said it before, Hassell's D is too valuable not to have out on the court. JC will be a solid defender, but Rose and ERob are not good defenders.

As far as trades go, I don't expect any before the season kicks off (except for sign and trades for Best and/or Oak). The 1st priority for the Bulls is to get a solid back up C. Although Tyson can play C from time to time, both he and Eddy are prone to foul. Which means that all the opposition has to do is get Eddy in foul trouble and the Bulls are in dire straits. Bags may be doing OK in summer leagues, but he clearly does not have what it takes to play during the regular season. We need a capable back up center long before we need another SF.

As for ERob, I agree he's been a let down. Although I am not faulting him because of his injury, from what I've seen he hasn't been very impressive. His fast break dunks are tight, but let's face it are high-flying dunks worth more than soft ones? And his D is autrotrious. He may have all of the physical attributes to be a good defender, but a decent defender he's clearly not. The range on his J is limited too. I don't see him hitting from 3pt land with any consistency. Unfortunately his trade value is way down. Best move, keep him and let him come off the bench and see if he build his market value up a little so that we can trade him. Maybe there's another Donnie Walsh out there to be taken to the cleaners.

Aside from a back up C, it would be sweet if the Bulls could sign Bonzi (provided that he hasn't already re-signed with Portland). Bonzi is a good defender, scorer, and rebounder. Consider also that he's been productive in a messed up environment where he's had to share the rock with several other so-called stars. The thing about Bonzi is that he creates his own offense by hustling and rebounding. I think he would be a great acquistion for the Bulls.

Starting Line UP: PG: JC, SG: Rose, SF: Wells, PF: Chandler/Fizer, C: Curry

2nd Unit: PG: JWill, SG: Hassell, SF: ERob, PF: Fizer/Chandler, C: Kevin Willis
 

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Trading ERob for another SF hardly makes sense.

First of all the guy is a SF so it would be a SF swap. If he didnt have 4 more years left on his contract I could maybe see someone doing it for cap reasons. But to take him on and give up a SF that has actually played well enough to be considered? I don't think so.

I am not gloating. I would be if the guy came out and averaged 7ppg next year, but that is a different story. He has not gotten a chance to prove me right or wrong yet. If his toe is a go then play him so we can all judge.
 

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If ERob becomes a backup at his salary, he will be grossly overpaid much like Mercer was. Then again any free agent that would sign with recent Bulls teams I wouldn't want.
 

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E-Rob is NOT a bad shooter or defender IMO. A lot of folks seem to think his 45% fg is because of him dunking so often, when he has played I have seen him shoot the little baseline jumper more than anything else. Sure, his shot LOOKS ugly, but it is really quite effective. His defense is not quite as good as I would like, but it isn't atrocious either, it will certainly improve with playing time, health, and more familiarity with his teamates.
 

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EROB got signed at just a hair more than the exception. Lots of former backup players have signed similar contracts, many to continue to be backups.

Guys like Nazr, Tariq Wahid, Avery Johnson, Calvin Booth, Brad Miller, Todd McCulloch, Larry Hughes, Christian Laetner and many others all signed similar contracts. Granted, some were for fewer years. Certainly, not all of these guys were *guaranteed* starting positions. Nor would they be considered total busts if they just contributed in an 8 or 9 man rotation.

If EROB gets healthy and plays as well as he did as a backup for the Hornets, it's not a unreasonable contract.

If EROB gets healthy and improves his game, it's a great pickup.

If EROB never gets healthy, it just plain sucks.
 

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From your list they are all either bigs or PGs, with the exception of Wahad who everyone can agree was a horrible signing.

Hughes who can already play the SG and has put up good numbers signed for less and for fewer years.

It is the combination of the length and the money for the production so far that makes it questionable. The position he plays does not help in terms of justifying the expense.
 
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