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I wanted to look at a list of defensive minded SG/PGs that the Bulls could potentially go after in the '05-'06 offseason.

Assumptions that have to be made to consider this list:
A) Curry, Chandler, and Othella have to be resigned
B) We resign Duhon
C) Due to the resigning of Duhon, we would have to acquire a guy in the $3mil to $3.5mil per year starting salary range at the very most (in order to split the MLE with Duhon).

I'm going off of hoopshype.com salaries here, so if there is a mistake I apologize. These guys are ranked according to my order of preference per list.

The A List: Those that fit the mold

Raja Bell - Great defender at the two-guard. A team first guy whose offensive contributions go pretty unnoticed. He's your stereotypical quiet numbers type player.
Devin Brown - Good on both ends of the floor. A great NBDL player that keeps getting better and has given the Spurs some solid contributions.
Bobby Simmons - Another guy who fits the bill as a good fit for our fourth guard. Needs to work on consistency, but is young and coachable from what I have read.
Quinton Ross - A guy I had not heard of until entering the league this year. I've caught a couple of Clippers games recently and he has impressed me on both ends of the floor for a rookie. Only knock on his A list standing would be that he doesn't have range out to 3-pt.
Maurice Evans - Sacramento is probably the team I watch second-most to only the Bulls. This kid has a lot of upside and a good attitude. Not a great defender yet, but has the potential to be a lockdown defender.
Eric Williams - A defensive specialist that can guard the 2, 3, and 4. He has had a couple decent years offensively, but is wildly inconsistent offensively.
Keith Bogans - I have not seen a ton of him myself, but gives us a young defensive minded guy who needs to work on his shot. Definate upside here, and most likely would come cheap.
Richie Frahm - A great college player that I thought would have a tough transition to the NBA. He has played well in limited minutes and could be a steal type player in terms of value. Definately a team guy.
Laron Profit - Needs to work on his shot, but he could give us another solid perimeter with some size. Barely makes my A-list.

The A-/B+ List: Probably too expensive, but definately worth a look
Jeff McInnis - only moves down to the A-/B+ list because he probably will be too expensive and a bit on the smallish side for what we are after. Makes the top of this list, because he would probably be the cheapsst option.
Marko Jaric - Another great fit that would make the A list, but like Kittles, he would probably be too expensive. Would be a good signing if Duhon moves on.
Kareem Rush - More likely a younger, more athletic Piatkowski replacement, and probably would command more than we could pay him. I like his game, but we most likely can't get him.
Kerry Kittles - Would make the A list ordinarily, but I think he'll be too expensive. He would be the perfect fourth guard in our rotation in my opinion. We might be able to snag him for the full MLE if Duhon moves on due to him aging and recent injuries.
Bonzi Wells - A guy we could possibly get with the full MLE (Duhon moving on), but it depends on the FA market. A signing I wouldn't count on ahead of the others in this list.
Kyle Korver - I don't see any reason that Philly won't resign him, but you never know.
Latrell Sprewell - Due to his recent history, teams may not be willing to pay up. That said, they probably will.

The B List: Fits the mold, but something is lacking

Willie Green - Only thing keeping him off the A list is a couple of inches. Decent outside shot, and potentially a lockdown perimeter defender.
Greg Buckner - The only thing keeping him off the A list is a couple of inches. Good shot, and good defender. Green has impressed me a bit more than Buckner just from watching games.
Antonio Daniels - Another undersized A list type player. You get what you see here.
Jamison Brewer - Slightly less talented than Green and Buckner and less polished than Daniels. A good defender, but a little undersized from what we are after.
Anthony Peeler - Can hit the open shot with consistency. Has shown good improvement on the defensive end year to year. At 6'4", a bit undersized for what we are after, but would not be a terrible option.
Kirk Penney - I wouldn't consider him a good NBA defender, but his play at Wisconsin was good. Definately a good team guy and plays in the system, which would be a good fit for Chicago.
Qyntel Woods - Has some history, but also great upside. He is definately a good player if you can snag him for cheap, but I wouldn't pay him the MLE (or near) to do so. Probably not a good fit for the Bulls, but I would willing to take a chance on him for cheap.
Shandon Anderson - Not quite the footspeed to keep up with quick 2-guards, but is a very good perimeter defender and could potentially be a decent fit. Has had some off the court problems if I am remembering correctly.
Wesley Person - Not quite the defender we're after, but he isn't a liability. Gives us size and a good shot. A better defensive version of Pike.
Jermaine Jackson - Gives size, defense, and ball handling. Has yet to show he can hit a jumper with any sort of consistency.
Rodney Buford - Active on defense, but only average at best. Would give us some size and a bit of an offensive punch. I'm not sure how he is off the court, but if he is a hard worker, he could be a good fit with Skiles and the Bulls.
Bernard Robinson - again, I haven't seen a lot of him, but reminds me of a less consistent Bogans (to make a same team comparison)
Romain Sato - Good on both ends of the floor, but does not have any NBA experience. Could be another steal type player, but at 6'3", he probably would not be a good fit for us.

The C List: Short-Term Solutions
Gary Payton - Could only be a one-year type solution
Stacey Augmon - Defensive specialist that would give us size. Due to his age, he would only be another short-term solution. Someone to pick up for the Vet's exception if we can't get anyone higher.
Kendal Gill - The guy we all know and love, and would only be a 1-year type replacement. Someone to pick up for the Vet exception if we can't get anyone higher up on the list. He could give us the flexibility to go after Oberto, so is worth a mention.
Steve Smith - Defense is lacking due to his aging. Still a great shooter and like Payton, could give us a one-year solution.

The D List: Offensive minded pickups

Lucious Harris - Not quite the defensive fit, but gives us nice size and offense off the bench.
Ronald Murray - Shows a lot of promise offensively. Hasn't had an up to par year this season, but his minutes (and consistency) have been down
Jon Barry - More an offensive weapon, but definately possesses some playmaking ability. Not a long-term solution either due to age.
Courtney Alexander - Good offensive game, but is a liability defensively. Not an ideal target, but would not be a bad pickup either.
Jason Kapono - Gives size, but not much in the way of defense
Smush Parker - More a PG than SG and lacking in a couple of inches. Definately worth at least a mention in this list.
Calbert Cheany - Has size and is a good offensive player. Not quite the defender we're after, but definately deserves a mention.
Dion Glover - Good offensive game, but needs a lot of work defensively.
Roger Mason - A shooter, but not a great one. We all remember him.
Casey Jacobsen - Another Pike-type replacement. Would give us size and 3-pt shooting. More duplication than anything.
Michael Curry - A good defender, not great. Lacks lateral footspeed to guard quick SGs from what I remember. I haven't scouted him too closely.
Matt Carroll - A three point specialist without a lot else to offer.
Andre Emmitt - I don't recall ever seeing him play, but the scouting report reads he is a little below average defender with an inconsistent jumper, but can get to the rim. He would give us a little more size at the G spot.
 

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Raja Bell
Keith Bogans
Bernard Robinson Jr.
Romain Sato(6'3'' but with long, long arms)
Andre Emmett(he can play D and will come on the cheap)
 

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Assuming we:
Resign Curry, Chandler, and O
Intend on splitting the MLE with Duhon and someone.

We have two options:
A) Resign Duhon and a big guard with the MLE. Use the Vet Exception on a big.
B) Resign Duhon and a big PF/C with the MLE. Use the Vet Exception on a guard.

My list was assuming we choose to follow option A.

If we choose to go after option B, we could look at one of my short-term solutions type guards with the Vet exception and go after a big with the remaining money that Duhon will not command.
 

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How is Flip on the D-list? Whenever he's got minutes he's produced. A 20ppg+ scorer waiting to happen. You guys should leap at the opportunity to sign him for a budget price (a scenario which will present itself this off-season).
 

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Greg Ostertag! said:
How is Flip on the D-list? Whenever he's got minutes he's produced. A 20ppg+ scorer waiting to happen. You guys should leap at the opportunity to sign him for a budget price (a scenario which will present itself this off-season).
Yes, but we already have an offensive minded small guard. He's very talented, but I don't see how he really does anything but take time away from Ben, who I think is an even more gifted scorer.
 

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So how does Jeff McInnis make the A/B+ list then? He offers less than Flip, would cost less and is a worse defender. Then you've got one-dimensional scorers Richie Frahm, Kareem Rush... I can't be bothered getting into the likes of Kirk Penney, Qyntel Woods, Jermaine Jackson, Rodney Buford.

I realise Flip isn't the greatest match with the Bulls as you are looking to give Ben minutes, but he is better than 95% of that list.
 

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Would Paxson take a flyer on Sprewell, available at a bargain price? He probably has a bit to offer as a 14ppg, and will probably revel in the role of veteran leader. I also believe he will be humbled a fraction when he gets SFA in the way of offers this off-season.
 

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Greg Ostertag! said:
Would Paxson take a flyer on Sprewell, available at a bargain price?
He won't be able to feed his children on a "bargain price".
 

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If we try retain Duhon (I think likely), Bell and Devin Brown (though his injury is a concern) would be my top choices. Keith Bogans and Shandon Anderson could be cheaper options.

If someone gave Duhon $3.5 mil+ this season (I think unlikely), I like Antonio Daniels with the MLE. I think Jaric is the best fit, but with his injury concerns, I'd stay away from him.

With Bobby Simmons, Gordon would need to prove he can play the point (which he hasn't IMO) or we trade Nocioni, which I don't think will happen because he sets a tone with his intensity that I think is important, especially since Chandler will eventually start.

I like Simmons, but in my mind he's more a SF, could possibly get more than the MLE, and would like to start. With Hinrich, Gordon and Deng, he'll be coming off the bench. If Gordon could play the point with Hinrich on the bench, Simmons off the bench would be very nice (if he'd accept that role.)
 

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Benny the Bull said:
If we try retain Duhon (I think likely), Bell and Devin Brown (though his injury is a concern) would be my top choices. Keith Bogans and Shandon Anderson could be cheaper options.

If someone gave Duhon $3.5 mil+ this season (I think unlikely), I like Antonio Daniels with the MLE. I think Jaric is the best fit, but with his injury concerns, I'd stay away from him.

With Bobby Simmons, Gordon would need to prove he can play the point (which he hasn't IMO) or we trade Nocioni, which I don't think will happen because he sets a tone with his intensity that I think is important, especially since Chandler will eventually start.

I like Simmons, but in my mind he's more a SF, could possibly get more than the MLE, and would like to start. With Hinrich, Gordon and Deng, he'll be coming off the bench. If Gordon could play the point with Hinrich on the bench, Simmons off the bench would be very nice (if he'd accept that role.)
this post is more or less my thinking as well. Best scenario: resign Duhon and get Raja Bell.
 

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TomBoerwinkle#1 said:
Best scenario: resign Duhon and get Raja Bell.
AGREED

Send Piatkowski to a contender for a future pick in the offseason and his 2.9 mill comes off our cap.

The only players that'll be under contract for next season :

Curry
Chandler
Davis (final year of his contract
Piatkowski (final year of his contract)
Gordon
Deng
Nocioni
Hinrich

Fa's we NEED to resign :

Duhon
Harrington

Fa's we'll prolly let go :

Pargo
Griffin
F. Williams
J. Reiner
 

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Greg Ostertag! said:
How is Flip on the D-list? Whenever he's got minutes he's produced. A 20ppg+ scorer waiting to happen. You guys should leap at the opportunity to sign him for a budget price (a scenario which will present itself this off-season).
He's on the D-list, because I have not been impressed by his defensive skills.

My rankings were not #1, #2, #3, and all the way down. My rankings were #1, #2, #3 per list.

Outside of Raja Bell, I would take anyone on the A-/B+ list, but I made it a separate list because it would be very unlikely that we get him. In this specific list, the top ranked guy is the one we could most likely snag, which is the reason McInnis is at the top and Sprewell/Korver are at the bottom.

List B is the less talented people than list A and are ranked in my order of preference. The top of list D are better than all of list B, and some of list A, but I put then on list D because I think they would be a worse fit for the team.

If you think Flip Murray is a better defender than McInnis, you are entitled to your opinion. I think McInnis is one of the more underrated players in the league for his skill set. Most people see that he is such a journeyman, that he is the same old player that we saw in L.A... never living up to his hype as a young player. I see him as a guy who has constantly improved throughout the course of his tenure in the NBA, and he has been improving more defensively than offensively.

I guess I could have done a ranking from #1, to #xyz, but to me, breaking it down this way would make more sense. A depth chart by the types of players that they are.
 

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Throw your c and d list out the window, it's worthless. (thats actually a complement, because these players are definitly not what we need)

Guys from the a and b list that fit the mold of what we are looking for (big sg, above average defender, average or better passer, average or better shooter)

These 2 in my mind are way above the rest (in terms of what we need)

1. Bell- solid vet defender and shooter, hates loosing (hates Utah, and will leave)
2. Brown- winning experience, good athlete and defender. Might be option #1.


Evans-
Bogans-
B. Robinson-
Kittles- Health could take him to the bottom of this list, it could also boost him in the top3.
Wells- not Paxson type character, but a talent we could really use.
Daniels- slightly undersized, still better than what we have. Could be great fit w/ Gordon
Jaric- injury is the only thing keeping him from the top of this list.
Peeler- not bad last option.
 
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