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Reports suggest that John Paxson is interested in Fabricio Oberto, a center in the European league who played with Andres Nocioni on the gold-medal winning Argentinean team. Is he really being considered as a free agent? --Peter, Philadelphia

I don't think it's a be-all or end-all signing, but he is someone the Bulls likely will express interest in this summer with a portion of their mid-level salary-cap exception.
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Fabricio Oberto
6-10, 240, PF/C, Parmesa Valencia (Argentina), Age: 29
Written by Luis Fernandez

If you are thinking about signing an international big man, you have to think about Fabricio Oberto. This 29 year old Argentinean has established himself in the past few years as a top player with his performances in Europe, and especially with his national team.

After five seasons with Atenas, a team from Córdoba in Argentina, becoming the best big man in his country and winning various individual and team titles, he tried making the NBA, but could not find a spot in the League. So in 1998 he started his European adventure with a first stop in Greece to play for Olympiakos. After a so-so experience, TAU Vitoria from Spain signed him at the end the 1999 season. In Vitoria, playing for coach Ivanovic, he established as one of the best paint players outside the NBA and helped make TAU one of the most feared teams in Europe. A Euroleague final appearance and an ACB League title were his best achievements so far. For the last couple of seasons he has played for Pamesa Valencia, also in Spain, a team full of stars who consistently play at the top levels of Europe. This last season he has averaged 11.5 points and 5.4 rebounds at the ACB League, and 13.3 points, 5.6 rebounds and 2.3 assists in the Euroleague.

He has been one of the leaders and the main post player of the wonderful generation of Argentinean players that have placed their National Team among the elite national teams of the world. At the 2002 World Championships in Indianapolis he led his team with 5.6 rebounds and closely trailed Manu Ginobili in the scoring department with 13.3 points per game. Against the US he scored 11 points and grabbed 9 rebounds. The following year in the Tournament of the Americas, he put a memorable offensive show against Tim Duncan, finishing the game with 17 points with 8/9 from the field.

Strengths

Fabricio Oberto is one of the best paint players outside of the NBA. He’s a tough, skilled big man, with nice mobility, for whom the key is his natural home where he feels comfortable and everything seems so much easier for him. He displays a great post-up game, showing very nice footwork. He loves to spin and release a slight fade-away shot, which is very difficult to stop. He also can score using his mid-range jumper out to 14 feet on a regular basis. Quite a nice passer, Oberto usually finds the right man when double teamed. In transition, he runs the floor as a trailer pretty well. He plays hard on defense and never avoids physical contact. It’s not easy to post him up at all. He is a good rebounder due to his positioning and hustle; he can also block some shots while showing very good timing. He’s a player with character, who plays the game with passion, displaying great intensity like most of his countrymen, and who shows a very good understanding of the game.

Weaknesses:

Oberto isn’t a physical freak. While he’s pretty strong, his athleticism isn’t top notch. His vertical leap is average for a power forward, as well as his quickness. As a result, his rebounding and blocking production aren’t outstanding and he may suffer while defending quicker, more versatile players outside of the paint. He can play as both a power forward and center, although he’s a little slow for the four spot, and a little undersized (6-10) for the five spot. The level of intensity that he brings on defense often earns him easy fouls, and he usually has to spend more time than desired on the bench. For a player with his ability to go to the line so often, his horrible free-throw shooting is one of his worst weaknesses. This last season, his percentages were well under 50%. It’s really sad considering his decent mid-range stroke.

Why sign him?

With the lack of reliable big men in the NBA, it’s surprising to see Oberto still playing in Europe. He would be a solid presence in the paint for any team, especially for teams that play a more team-oriented style of play. With the lack of low post threats in the NBA, he could be really valuable. He should try to improve his free-throw shooting, though. He’s under contract, but his buyout (reportedly around $800,000) isn’t outrageously expensive, especially considering some of the contracts that have been handed out recently by NBA teams.

On the other hand, at age 29 he isn’t getting any younger, and he isn’t as crazy as some about playing in the NBA. It was a dream for him when he was younger, but after some rejections and his success in Europe, he looks at things from a different perspective. With that said, if a team calls him with the right offer and the right words, he would probably give it a try. The Spurs are said to be pursuing him. It could be a good fit for him, combining the four and five spots with Duncan and Nesterovic. Despite being a paint animal, he doesn’t necessarily have to be teamed with another more perimeter oriented big man, as he doesn’t need too much space to play his game and he makes really good passes inside the paint for his fellow big man.
Has anyone seen this guy play?

Is he better than re-signing Donyell Marshall?

How would you rate him in comparison to Anderson Verajao?
 

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I saw him play about 4 times in the Olympics last year. I can't say I was solely watching him play because I was paying most of my attention to Nocioni, but the guy reminded me of Othella Harrington with some upside being young obviously. I've always been an Othella fan as a role playing offensive player off the bench, even before his Chicago days, so this isn't a knock on Oberto at all.

I'm not sure how great a shooter he is, but I seem to remember him shooting a couple of three pointers, so he at the very least has some semblance of range outside of 15 feet (assuming I'm remembering correctly obviously). He has good footwork and bodies his man up, but he doesn't have very strong legs so he probably would have some problems on the defensive end in a transition to the NBA. He did block a few shots, but I wouldn't call him a shotblocker either. Basically, he is a heady player who excels on the offensive end. His passing seemed to be above average from what I remember too. To me Okur would be his closest international NBA comparison, and Othella as the closest non-international comparison I can think of. He would be an upgrade to Reiner as far as I can tell.

I say this having only seen 4 of his games and not really paying any sort of close attention to him, so take my comments for what they are.
 

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He isn't young at all. He's a good back up pf option, could probably replace AD...nothing to get terribly excited about IMO.
 

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I remember seeing him. Could be an ok addition. If he was a little bigger and taller, and could be a true back up to Eddy, I'd be more excited, since he can board a bit.
 

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ace20004u said:
He isn't young at all. He's a good back up pf option, could probably replace AD...nothing to get terribly excited about IMO.
Yes, I just reread and saw he was 29. I doubt he would be starter material, but could definately be a serviceable big man off the bench.
 

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Truth is he's 30 already.

I've seen him much more than Olympics. I've seen him every year for some time in The Euroleague. He's a good player. I can tell ya right now he has good offensive skills , and plays tough hard nosed defense. He can pass , hit the midrange and score in the paint. He's a top euro BB biggy for a long time.
Concern might be how will he be able to match up with Big quick guys in the nba. He tries hard for sure , but he ain't a great athlete. He's decent. With strength and toughness - no problem. Quickness - ??.that implies to rebounding too , although I'm sure he's a better rebounder than Eddy :biggrin:
But we don't expect him to be a lockdown defender - and decent he will be.
As a player he's more gifted than Othella and AD in turms of touch ,cordination and BB IQ. But they have Physical attributes he does not (well , dunno about old AD by now...)

I'm Absolutely sure he's good for 20+ backup minutes for the bigs , both at Center and PF. And like Chapu , for around 2 mil (less than Chapu - he's older and does'nt have buyout issues) , he'll be a genious aquistion by Pax. Not cause he's Gonna turn the team around , But because he'll be very useful , and fits the 'hard working, play for the team ,tough' mold Pax has been establishing for us - and thats not without having offensive Skills as well. No high flying fastbreak dunks , but efficient 12-16 footer and hard work putbacks.

I say - Bring him on Pax , he'll surprise ya...
 

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Truth is he's 30 already.

I've seen him much more than Olympics. I've seen him every year for some time in The Euroleague. He's a good player. I can tell ya right now he has good offensive skills , and plays tough hard nosed defense. He can pass , hit the midrange and score in the paint. He's a top euro BB biggy for a long time.
Concern might be how will he be able to match up with Big quick guys in the nba. He tries hard for sure , but he ain't a great athlete. He's decent. With strength and toughness - no problem. Quickness - ??.that implies to rebounding too , although I'm sure he's a better rebounder than Eddy :biggrin:
But we don't expect him to be a lockdown defender - and decent he will be.
As a player he's more gifted than Othella and AD in turms of touch ,cordination and BB IQ. But they have Physical attributes he does not (well , dunno about old AD by now...)

I'm Absolutely sure he's good for 20+ backup minutes for the bigs , both at Center and PF. And like Chapu , for around 2 mil (less than Chapu - he's older and does'nt have buyout issues) , he'll be a genious aquistion by Pax. Not cause he's Gonna turn the team around , But because he'll be very useful , and fits the 'hard working, play for the team ,tough' mold Pax has been establishing for us - and thats not without having offensive Skills as well. No high flying fastbreak dunks , but efficient 12-16 footer and hard work putbacks.

I say - Bring him on Pax , he'll surprise ya...
Thanx. That's the kind of scouting report I love!
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BTW, how the HECK has Ivica Dukan kept a job in the NBA all these years. He was always "scouring" the European landscape for prospects and the best he could come up with were Dragan Tarlac and Dalibor Bagaric!
:rofl: :laugh: :curse: :cry:

It seems every team got talented players from other countries but the Bulls. [save for Kukoc, who was more of a Krause find than a Dukan find. Maybe Dukan DID find Kukoc and let Krause take the credit for it, thereby insuring himself employment. :whoknows:]

Now Pax already has Nocioni and may be considering Arvydas Macijauskas along with Oberto. All three of those guys are better than anybody Dukan could find, so why is he still around?
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I would also add I think it will take him less time to adjust to nba play than Chapu. with Noc I only expect him to be totally used to the US game in mid next season (seriously) much because of his crazy intensity that causes at times those Bonehead plays.
Oberto , while being a tough player , he has much more poise (not that it's hard compared to mad dog Chapu) , and plays more under control. Not often would you see him look at the basket and try to get to it regardless of whats standing in the middle (while with chapu he couldn't care less if it's a brick wall or even worse like Shaq). If he ain't got the shot , he'll pass , and it will be the right play. But when he's guarding another player , he won't be shy of banging , scratching , grabbing or whatever. Plays with lots of heart , like all argentinians.
 

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I think Scola would be a great fit for us, if we need a second legit offensive weapon off the bench (AD, Harrington and TC suc* there). Obviously I dont see the Spurs trading him, but he would give us a Curry II in that he can score 20+ points but grab around 5 rebounds.
This being said, Oberto is almost as good as him, not on the offensive side, but overall. He is a better defender and rebounder. He is more of a finished product.
As Bullet said, we must sign Oberto during the offseason. Cheap + Productive. You cant have enough big bodies. I mean, if Jared Reiner can be one of the 15 Bulls, Oberto sure can be here. He is indeed more of a PF than C, but you dont always matchup against true centers in the NBA. So he would be useful at 2 positions.

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