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I loved Vince's performance vs the Lakers.

As many of you know, I've been pretty critical of Vince and McInnis' defense this season. But you know what? Finally he showed heart and intensity. Yeah sure, he took a few bad shots (3-12), especially the awkward fade away with 6 seconds left on the shot clock at the end of the game.

But as usual, I kept my eye on his defense all night.

And it was pretty good. He didn't take may posessions off, especially after the argument with Bryant. He still doesn't rotate well in his help defense, but he played great on the ball defense vs Kobe. Sure, Kobe got his 46 points. But most of those came when both Jefferson and Carter were on the bench with foul trouble and McInnis was guarding him.

Vince played with defensive intensity. That's what I've been waiting for. If he plays the rest of the games with 3/4 ths of that intensity I'll be a happy Nets fan.

Hat's off to Vince! :clap:
 

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It's no surprise that we disagree, LOL.

Vince did play good defense most of the game, although very little of it was on Bryant. Kidd was the guy guarding him for 85% of the game.

But I thought VC's offensive intensity was terrible. He allowed Bryant's exceptionally physical and close defense to take him out of the game on the offensive end, all except for the few minutes following their scuffle when he reminded everyone that he is the best this league has ever seen at converting alley oops.

As frequently happens in matchups with elite swing players, he sesemed determined to NOT make it a "Vince vs. Kobe" game, which I applaud him for, since that's really what drives Bryant. But on the other hand, he can't let a guy bodying him and getting up into him all night turn him into a passive bystander on offense.

On 5 of the 6 occasions that he took Byrant toward the rim to make him pay for the overplay, he got all he could have asked for: two fouls, a dunk, and two deft dribble moves that literally saw Bryant standing in his wake. (Vince seemed so surprised that he got by him that easily that he blew both layups.)

He should have done that a heck of a lot more often. Not only would it have gotten VC into the flow offensively, but it could very well have produced foul trouble for Bryant, which would have made the whole game a lot easier for the Nets.

I hope to see a lot more intensity out of Vince than I saw last night, but, fortunately for him and the Nets, Kidd took up the slack.

While defense has been a problem for the team all year, I'm still most troubled by the team's inability to find an offensive identity and rhythm, since they SHOULD be able to compete in games just from a scoring standpoint. There seems to be an abundant concern for spreading the wealth and not having any one player dominate the ball, but, as a result, there's a real vacuum of offensive leadership. Kidd changed that for one game last night, but, frankly, I don't think this team is going to go very far if he has to force the issue like that night in and night out.

I'm not panicking and still have faith that things will sort themselves out as the season progresses. But right now I'm not seeing an offense that exploits ANY of its players' strengths to the max.
 

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It's no surprise that we disagree, LOL.

Vince did play good defense most of the game, although very little of it was on Bryant. Kidd was the guy guarding him for 85% of the game.

But I thought VC's offensive intensity was terrible. He allowed Bryant's exceptionally physical and close defense to take him out of the game on the offensive end, all except for the few minutes following their scuffle when he reminded everyone that he is the best this league has ever seen at converting alley oops.

As frequently happens in matchups with elite swing players, he sesemed determined to NOT make it a "Vince vs. Kobe" game, which I applaud him for, since that's really what drives Bryant. But on the other hand, he can't let a guy bodying him and getting up into him all night turn him into a passive bystander on offense.

On 5 of the 6 occasions that he took Byrant toward the rim to make him pay for the overplay, he got all he could have asked for: two fouls, a dunk, and two deft dribble moves that literally saw Bryant standing in his wake. (Vince seemed so surprised that he got by him that easily that he blew both layups.)

He should have done that a heck of a lot more often. Not only would it have gotten VC into the flow offensively, but it could very well have produced foul trouble for Bryant, which would have made the whole game a lot easier for the Nets.

I hope to see a lot more intensity out of Vince than I saw last night, but, fortunately for him and the Nets, Kidd took up the slack.

While defense has been a problem for the team all year, I'm still most troubled by the team's inability to find an offensive identity and rhythm, since they SHOULD be able to compete in games just from a scoring standpoint. There seems to be an abundant concern for spreading the wealth and not having any one player dominate the ball, but, as a result, there's a real vacuum of offensive leadership. Kidd changed that for one game last night, but, frankly, I don't think this team is going to go very far if he has to force the issue like that night in and night out.

I'm not panicking and still have faith that things will sort themselves out as the season progresses. But right now I'm not seeing an offense that exploits ANY of its players' strengths to the max.


I saw the crossovers that he did, i was amazed myself that he did them on Bryant!!; it was funny how he missed that layup after the cross!!. Anyways, hopefully he'll keep up his defense intensity and finds his rythm on Offense , especially before the ALl-star game!!!
 

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that alley he got from kidd was unbelievable!!!! his hand was on the top of that llittle square on the backboard when he caught the ball
 

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True, Vince didn't guard him that much during the night, but the times he was guarding him he did well. And my main point was even when he wasn't guarding Kobe, he played good on the ball defense.

That doesn't always happen, he's not always consistent that way. But he was against the Lakers. I hope he keeps it up.
 

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It's no surprise that we disagree, LOL.

Vince did play good defense most of the game, although very little of it was on Bryant. Kidd was the guy guarding him for 85% of the game.

But I thought VC's offensive intensity was terrible. He allowed Bryant's exceptionally physical and close defense to take him out of the game on the offensive end, all except for the few minutes following their scuffle when he reminded everyone that he is the best this league has ever seen at converting alley oops.

As frequently happens in matchups with elite swing players, he sesemed determined to NOT make it a "Vince vs. Kobe" game, which I applaud him for, since that's really what drives Bryant. But on the other hand, he can't let a guy bodying him and getting up into him all night turn him into a passive bystander on offense.

On 5 of the 6 occasions that he took Byrant toward the rim to make him pay for the overplay, he got all he could have asked for: two fouls, a dunk, and two deft dribble moves that literally saw Bryant standing in his wake. (Vince seemed so surprised that he got by him that easily that he blew both layups.)

He should have done that a heck of a lot more often. Not only would it have gotten VC into the flow offensively, but it could very well have produced foul trouble for Bryant, which would have made the whole game a lot easier for the Nets.

I hope to see a lot more intensity out of Vince than I saw last night, but, fortunately for him and the Nets, Kidd took up the slack.

While defense has been a problem for the team all year, I'm still most troubled by the team's inability to find an offensive identity and rhythm, since they SHOULD be able to compete in games just from a scoring standpoint. There seems to be an abundant concern for spreading the wealth and not having any one player dominate the ball, but, as a result, there's a real vacuum of offensive leadership. Kidd changed that for one game last night, but, frankly, I don't think this team is going to go very far if he has to force the issue like that night in and night out.

I'm not panicking and still have faith that things will sort themselves out as the season progresses. But right now I'm not seeing an offense that exploits ANY of its players' strengths to the max.
Once again FOMW, you have placed me in a position where I would like to add something, but you have left me w/ nothing to add. :cheers:
 

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It's no surprise that we disagree, LOL.

Vince did play good defense most of the game, although very little of it was on Bryant. Kidd was the guy guarding him for 85% of the game.

But I thought VC's offensive intensity was terrible. He allowed Bryant's exceptionally physical and close defense to take him out of the game on the offensive end, all except for the few minutes following their scuffle when he reminded everyone that he is the best this league has ever seen at converting alley oops.

As frequently happens in matchups with elite swing players, he sesemed determined to NOT make it a "Vince vs. Kobe" game, which I applaud him for, since that's really what drives Bryant. But on the other hand, he can't let a guy bodying him and getting up into him all night turn him into a passive bystander on offense.

On 5 of the 6 occasions that he took Byrant toward the rim to make him pay for the overplay, he got all he could have asked for: two fouls, a dunk, and two deft dribble moves that literally saw Bryant standing in his wake. (Vince seemed so surprised that he got by him that easily that he blew both layups.)

He should have done that a heck of a lot more often. Not only would it have gotten VC into the flow offensively, but it could very well have produced foul trouble for Bryant, which would have made the whole game a lot easier for the Nets.

I hope to see a lot more intensity out of Vince than I saw last night, but, fortunately for him and the Nets, Kidd took up the slack.

While defense has been a problem for the team all year, I'm still most troubled by the team's inability to find an offensive identity and rhythm, since they SHOULD be able to compete in games just from a scoring standpoint. There seems to be an abundant concern for spreading the wealth and not having any one player dominate the ball, but, as a result, there's a real vacuum of offensive leadership. Kidd changed that for one game last night, but, frankly, I don't think this team is going to go very far if he has to force the issue like that night in and night out.

I'm not panicking and still have faith that things will sort themselves out as the season progresses. But right now I'm not seeing an offense that exploits ANY of its players' strengths to the max.
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