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Game 41, Home Game 24
Wednesday, January 23, 2013 – 7:00 PM CT
United Center
Comcast SportsNet / ESPN 1000 AM / WRTO 1200 AM


BULLS VS. PISTONS ALL-TIME
ALL-TIME ................. Bulls lead 118-117
BULLS CURRENT STREAK ... 16 Wins
BULLS HOME STREAK .......... 12 Wins
BULLS ROAD STREAK ............. 8 Wins

BULLS VS. PISTONS THIS SEASON
Dec. 7 @ Detroit – Bulls 108, Pistons 104
Jan. 23 @ Chicago –
Mar. 31 @ Chicago –
Apr. 7 @ Detroit –

LAST FIVE BULLS GAMES
Jan. 21 vs Lakers W 95-83
Jan. 19 vs Grizzlies L 82-85 (OT)
Jan. 18 @ Celtics W 100-99 (OT)
Jan. 16 @ Raptors W 107-105 (OT)
Jan. 14 vs Hawks W 97-58

Game Notes



Chicago Bulls (24-16)
Home 12-11
Road 12-5

Bulls Averages:
PPG: 93.8 (Opp: 91.5)
RPG: 43.73 (Opp: 41.10)
APG: 22.9 (Opp: 18.3)
SPG: 7.33 (Opp: 7.75)
BPG: 5.25 (Opp: 5.73)
TO: 14.85 (Opp: 14.28)
FG%: .438 (Opp: .428)
FT%: .783 (Opp: .747)
3p%: .359 (Opp: .333)

Probable Bulls starters


Kirk Hinrich - PG -
Richard Hamilton - SG -
Jimmy Butler - SF -
Carlos Boozer - PF -
Joakim Noah - C -

Bulls Stats Leaders
Points: Deng 17.4, Boozer 16.1
Rebounds: Noah 10.7, Boozer 10.0
Assists: Hinrich 5.3, Noah 4.0
Steals: Noah 1.31, Deng 1.08
Blocks: Noah 2.10, Gibson 1.25

FG%: Butler .488, Boozer .482
FT%: Hamilton .889, Butler .863
3FG%: Belinelli .398, Robinson .391

Injury report
Luol Deng (right hamstring) is day-to-day.
Derrick Rose (left knee) is out.

For a full report and the latest on Bulls' injuries, check out the AthletiCo Injury Report.



Detroit Pistons (17-23)
Home 12-10
Road 5-13

Probable Pistons starters

Brandon Knight - PG
Kyle Singler - SG
Tayshaun Prince - SF
Jason Maxiell - PF
Greg Monroe - C

Injury report
None to report.
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Again, the Bulls need to handle business so I can have bragging rights at work. Pistons should be light work.
 

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since Butler has been playing 40+ minutes, do you think Thibs will finally let Deng just play 36 minutes and let Butler play more when Deng comes back?
 

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Jimmy has potential to be a bigger Arron Afflalo. Defensively he's proved his value obviously. Offensively, he's shown a lot of stuff, but the jumpshot is what's missing. He can attack the hoop, get to the foul line, and create his own shot. He's got good form on his shots which you see from his free throw percentage and mid-range game, which I believe is at 45% for the season. He needs to extend that range to the 3 point line and start hitting the shots for when he's creating his own looks, so that it amounts to something.
 

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Continue to be amazed by Jimmy's athletic ability. It's crazy he was not considered a great athlete during the draft process. Not only did he produce a 39" inch max vertical, he gets off the floor blindingly fast. And he has very quick feet on defense; excellent at his defensive positioning. No doubt he has the body and athletic tools to be an awesome 2-guard, it's just all about those offensive "guard skills". I've seen glimpses of passable ballhandling skills for a bigger guard, and as others point out he has solid form on the jumpshot. He's hit some difficult (and clutch) jumpshots as well, ones that Ronnie Brewer never would've made.
 

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Continue to be amazed by Jimmy's athletic ability. It's crazy he was not considered a great athlete during the draft process. Not only did he produce a 39" inch max vertical, he gets off the floor blindingly fast. And he has very quick feet on defense; excellent at his defensive positioning. No doubt he has the body and athletic tools to be an awesome 2-guard, it's just all about those offensive "guard skills". I've seen glimpses of passable ballhandling skills for a bigger guard, and as others point out he has solid form on the jumpshot. He's hit some difficult (and clutch) jumpshots as well, ones that Ronnie Brewer never would've made.
The fact that you even mentioned that he has passable ballhandling and point out that the best thing that can be said about his jumper is his "Form", should tell you that hes not anywhere near being an awesome 2-guard.

Jimmy is playing good ball, very similar to how Ronnie Brewer played during a half month stretch last season. Jimmy doesn't have a very impressive offensive skill set, but hes shown progress.
 

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The fact that you even mentioned that he has passable ballhandling and point out that the best thing that can be said about his jumper is his "Form", should tell you that hes not anywhere near being an awesome 2-guard.

Jimmy is playing good ball, very similar to how Ronnie Brewer played during a half month stretch last season. Jimmy doesn't have a very impressive offensive skill set, but hes shown progress.
Buzz kill. Besides, read closer, I said he has the size/body and athletic ability to be an awesome SG while acknowledging he would need more improvement on the guard like skills (hence: "it's just all about the guard-like skills", i.e., that is the reason he is not a full-time SG right now).

His offense has far more upside than Ronnie Brewer, though. I liked Ronnie and all but with his broken form he physically could not get any better past a certain point, while Jimmy can if he puts the work in. Hell, haven't you seen a few of the shots he hit the past few games, and in critical points of the game on top of it.

Hop on the Jimmy B bandwagon, you know you want to.
 

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Buzz kill. Besides, read closer, I said he has the size/body and athletic ability to be an awesome SG while acknowledging he would need more improvement on the guard like skills (hence: "it's just all about the guard-like skills", i.e., that is the reason he is not a full-time SG right now).

His offense has far more upside than Ronnie Brewer, though. I liked Ronnie and all but with his broken form he physically could not get any better past a certain point, while Jimmy can if he puts the work in. Hell, haven't you seen a few of the shots he hit the past few games, and in critical points of the game on top of it.
Brewer was a very skilled offensive player, the guy is a solid ball handler and a great athlete. The problem with Brewer was his physical limitation of not being able to lift his arm normally. Buttler is not a great athlete, he can jump but he can't handle the ball so until he starts handling the ball better, his athletic ability is limited to put backs and the occasional fast break dunk which limits his overall athletic rating IMO.
 

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Brewer was a very skilled offensive player, the guy is a solid ball handler and a great athlete. The problem with Brewer was his physical limitation of not being able to lift his arm normally. Buttler is not a great athlete, he can jump but he can't handle the ball so until he starts handling the ball better, his athletic ability is limited to put backs and the occasional fast break dunk which limits his overall athletic rating IMO.
Unless you know of a different Ronnie Brewer than I saw from 2010-2012 in a Bulls uniform, the one I know of was no better than what Butler gives you offensively or particularly with ballhandling skill. I am well aware Brewer played some PG in his younger pre-NBA days, but for whatever reason that skill didn't carry to the pros, at least not anything more than a "passable" level for a wing player. How many times did we see Brewer take his defender off the dribble in the half court? I can't recall ever seeing it actually. And I have seen Jimmy do that a fair # of times this year, certainly more than I saw from Brewer. On top of that, Brewer probably had more blown dunks/layups than any other Bull during his time here, they often look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He6lKq9V74g

And honestly I'm not sure I understand your definition of "athlete" here. Butler can jump out the gym, he is strong as hell for a wing, has shown good speed in the open court, and quick feet on defense. Well above average in all categories. That is more or less how I define an athlete, at least.

I'll say it again, I was a big fan of Ronnie Brewer while he was here -- great defender, teammate, and awesome nose for the ball -- but his time came and went. Jimmy is doing a great job replacing what Ronnie previously provided to the team, that's all that matters here.
 

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Unless you know of a different Ronnie Brewer than I saw from 2010-2012 in a Bulls uniform, the one I know of was no better than what Butler gives you offensively or particularly with ballhandling skill. I am well aware Brewer played some PG in his younger pre-NBA days, but for whatever reason that skill didn't carry to the pros, at least not anything more than a "passable" level for a wing player. How many times did we see Brewer take his defender off the dribble in the half court? I can't recall ever seeing it actually. And I have seen Jimmy do that a fair # of times this year, certainly more than I saw from Brewer. On top of that, Brewer probably had more blown dunks/layups than any other Bull during his time here, they often look like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He6lKq9V74g

And honestly I'm not sure I understand your definition of "athlete" here. Butler can jump out the gym, he is strong as hell for a wing, has shown good speed in the open court, and quick feet on defense. Well above average in all categories. That is more or less how I define an athlete, at least.

I'll say it again, I was a big fan of Ronnie Brewer while he was here -- great defender, teammate, and awesome nose for the ball -- but his time came and went. Jimmy is doing a great job replacing what Ronnie previously provided to the team, that's all that matters here.
Well first I never said that Brewer was better than Butler or that Brewer was a significantly better athlete, what I did say was that Butler is having a streak right now that reminds me of a streak that Ronnie Brewer had last year for us.

I'm not knocking Butlers athleticism, I just don't think its "Great". Hes above average at the guard spot but as a Small Forward hes probably just average. I take ball handling, speed and drive ability into consideration when talking about athleticism, Jimmy is fine but not "great", that's all I'm saying.

I think his current hot streak only improves his trade value, and I'm always cautious about giving a spurt too much high praise, remember how everyone on here thought Taj Gibson was going to break out this season... ugh.
 

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Brewer was a very skilled offensive player, the guy is a solid ball handler and a great athlete. The problem with Brewer was his physical limitation of not being able to lift his arm normally. Buttler is not a great athlete, he can jump but he can't handle the ball so until he starts handling the ball better, his athletic ability is limited to put backs and the occasional fast break dunk which limits his overall athletic rating IMO.
Well first I never said that Brewer was better than Butler or that Brewer was a significantly better athlete, what I did say was that Butler is having a streak right now that reminds me of a streak that Ronnie Brewer had last year for us.

I'm not knocking Butlers athleticism, I just don't think its "Great". Hes above average at the guard spot but as a Small Forward hes probably just average. I take ball handling, speed and drive ability into consideration when talking about athleticism, Jimmy is fine but not "great", that's all I'm saying.

I think his current hot streak only improves his trade value, and I'm always cautious about giving a spurt too much high praise, remember how everyone on here thought Taj Gibson was going to break out this season... ugh.
Huh? So the difference between "great" and "not great" isn't significant?
 

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Huh? So the difference between "great" and "not great" isn't significant?
I also said "WAS", Brewer was a much better athlete than Butler coming out of college but even with his time with the Bulls I would say that Brewer was a better ball handler and a better athlete especially around the baseline.

Significant would be if I said that Butler was a poor athlete. I think Butler is a good athlete but not great, at least not yet. I would categorize athleticism from poor, good, great to amazing. I think Butler is a pretty good athlete, just not a great one, but I don't think Brewer is SIGNIFICANTLY better.
 

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Fair enough - I would say "good" athlete... what I really like about him is his timing... it can almost make him seem more athletic than he is, if that makes any sense. He does a great job crashing the offensive boards too, which is symptomatic of that. He and Brewer are pretty comparable from 3, but I think he's a better scorer than Brewer and has a more sophisticated offensive repertoire. Brewer does do a good job of working the baseline, which I liked. I haven't missed Corey Brewer, which bodes well.
 
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