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i don't know whether to :cry: or :uhoh: for this game.
 

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Don't loose all faith just yet

The Raps have always stepped up against big competition in the better teams and stepped down on the weaker teams where they expect to win... They've been doing that dance all season.

So I don't expect them to really come out on top here .. but this should be a really good game with some key matchups ...
Imagine... Bosh being taken to school by KG !! ... Of course the kid is a quick learner so he should have him all figured out by third quarter.

Rose vs Cassell
Alvin vs Spree
Bosh vs KG

Ok .. I know i have the matchups wrong ... but these are the ones I'd like to see !!!!

don't cry boys ... it'll be much better than us going against a crappy team and having a similar performance!
 

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Hard ... sure, but if Rose, Yell, Alvin & Mopete drop a few bombs and everybody plays good team defence, we could catch them napping :gopray:
 

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it is going to be hard to beat the wolves, the wolves just got back troy hudson and gary trent. so now the wolves have even more depth.
 

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there are talks of Vince being able to play...arch and curry are definatly out.. moiso will get some pt..hopefully
 

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Can't complain about the level of effort tonight. Two tough losses in a row, now. Man, I had my hopes up until those back-to-back threes Cassell and Hudson dropped. Two "daggers"...

Lamond Murray comes in, gets a 3 on 2 fast break, and jacks-up a hurried 18' jumper--clang! Then he gets pulled. If he is serious about wanting playing time, he's gotta show he can make good decisions. Chucking the first ball you get into your hands is not good decision making. He could've played 20 minutes tonight, but that garbage play cost him the rest of the game.

I've criticized Milt in the past, and I probably will again in the future, but at least for tonight he was electric. He had a super performance and really helped us keep the game within reach. He has the ugliest jump-shot on the team, but he was dropping them tonight. It makes a big difference when we have someone slashing, that's for certain.

Some days I want Mo Pete resigned to a long-term deal, other days I want him out of Toronto. He had a decent game today, but he just doesn't perform up to expectations when he is starting without Vince at his side. I really wonder if Vince has been helping Mo pad his stats for the last few seasons, and only since Vince's injuries are we starting to recognize that Mo is incapable of handling pressure situations on his own.

25 rebounds is about 15 too few. You can't win when you can't hit the glass. Jalen, Donny, and CB4 all had just 5 boards tonight and that might have cost us the game. On the upside, though, we shot 83% from the charity stripe, which is much higher than our season average.

We're at Milwaukee on Friday and I hope we can come out of there with a win. Boston is on our doorstep and we need to keep them outside.
 

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alvin and mo.p. sucks

they should be traded mo.p can make the big step i think he loves to be a bench player

alvin play with heart but we can win the games with only heart we need more talent
 

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As expected ....

Excellant game .. tough loss to take: again ..... but I love it when we play with heart and effort. And though I love Vince to death .. somehow the team plays with more grit when he's out of the picture.

But with him in the picture ... we could have turned this loss into a WIN !!


Solid game ... just like I said earlier
 

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i thought this game was terrible. i didn't know what was worse: listening to chuck & jack spew drivel, or actually watching the game itself.

i think there are too many apologists for the raptors. all this "undermanned" business is what, in my opinion, experienced losers normally say. there were far too many raptors fans, media personalities and even players who were expecting a loss tonight before the opening tip was even lobbed. chuck swirsky and jack armstrong thought the team deserved considerable credit for just playing "hard"; they also thought the raps deserved credit for simply "staying in the game". personally, i think i've had just about enough of that.

first of all, this team, even without vince, is not what i would call a "bad team". in fact, the players who dressed tonight could have put the franchise over the salary cap on their own. they're not also-rans. they're players who are being paid more than enough money to perform, to play basketball at a relatively high level. it seemed to me that there were too many people (eric smith and paul jones included) who were expecting a blowout. i almost don't know what to say to that. it seems like our squad of underachievers has actually fooled people into believing that they're worse than they really are. but maybe they are that bad. maybe i'm the one who's nuts.

but i'm still not going to give credit to this team (or the coaching staff) for playing hard. what's more, i sincerely believe they played "hard" at all the wrong moments- put differently, at all the easy moments. i'm not gonna give credit to donyell marshall (our center) for failing to box out KG late in the game, on a play that would have given us possession with a chance to take the lead (instead, garnett grabbed the long board, completely unmarked, ultimately leading to a 3 that absolutely shifted all momentum at that point).

i'm not gonna give credit to kevin o'neill for playing milt palacio 37 minutes at the helm of our offense- presumably forgetting that the man had not been in action since january 4th due to his fractured wrist. but at the same time, i don't want to make excuses for palacio because, although he had an uncharacteristically strong offensive line, he still couldn't lead a conventional 3 on 1 break at what i considered to be one of this game's key inflection points. this man is a veteran point guard who was running the show instead of jalen rose or alvin williams. as such, he'd better be able to manufacture a fundamental two-point basket in the fourth quarter. that play was just one mishap among many, but i swear that i saw some timberwolves snickering on the bench (on the floor?) when his pass went out in the direction of absolutely nobody.

in terms of the analysts calling the game, it just seems like every player has been pigeonholed in an effort to simplify the roster. AW is considered "tough as nails, 150% effort guy", mike curry is considered our "top team defender, workhorse leader", donyell marshall is considered our only quality "veteran big man", bosh is considered "inexperienced", mopete is "inconsistent", vince "won't drive to the hole", etc.. do these labels give those players license to do/play what/however they want on any given night (or, in the event of good production, nullify its effect?)? i think some of this stuff has become childish. for example, i thought donyell marshall was one of our laziest players tonight- if not prime suspect # 1. the fact that he has a moustache and looks rather unassuming does not preclude him from criticism in terms of effort (imo). furthermore, the fact that alvin williams has screws in his ankle doesn't necessarily preclude him from being justly identified as a player taking a night off.

also, the fact that chris bosh is a rookie doesn't necessarily mean that he can't have games (like tonight) where he appears to be the only VETERAN presence, the only man with any intention at all of winning the ballgame. in my opinion, the analysis that swirksky, rautins, armstrong and smith offer the fans has become so predictable, it's almost as if- correction: it IS as if- they're not even watching the game.

i also don't think o'neill did what he had to do tonight in terms of distributing minutes but fans always criticize coaches in terms of PT slicing, so that's not a surprise. i would rather like to point out that alvin williams and donyell marshall (not to mention jalen rose- who has recently been manifesting shades of his twentysomething years in terms of focus- and that's NOT a good thing) have not been pulling their weight. i feel it's a disgrace that this city has sheltered some players (due to media characterizations, but not exclusively so) from the world of criticism, and yell and AW are just two of those. there are many more as you well know.

i would also like to point out that mo pete yet AGAIN showed his true colours, and played this game like he's played every other one: hard. he has been, in my book, as consistent as any player on the raptors this season, and has been such an unfortunate lad for having had (and STILL having) to endure his "inconsistency"-tag for so long. chris bosh also played the game tonight like it was his last, and our "veteran" donyell marshall could probably learn a few things from chris about not missing assignments, and playing every play as if it were the last possession of the game.

i didn't like this game. more importantly, i'm sure that what i heard from our commentators tonight likely foreshadows several newspaper columns tomorrow that will again purport myths in terms of "team-wide effort" and simply being beaten "by a better team". i think both of those arguments are childish. i think the only legitimate effort at the ACC was shown by the fans, who were utterly ideal in their support tonight. i also don't think that the fact the wolves have garnett should guarantee them ANYTHING in OUR BUILDING, let alone a blowout victory as was being predicted by some reputed journalists.

nba basketball is never a foregone conclusion. as fans, we should never "expect" a loss at home, regardless of opponent or sidelined superstars. it's inexcusable that we approached tonight's game the way we did, AND that we folded like a cheap tent as soon as the wolves decided to compete. that our coaching staff let it happen only poured salt on the wound. we played like we wanted to lose and, in my opinion, that should probably lead grunwald to consider blowing up this operation and starting from scratch. tonight's game showcased a team that features a loser's mentality, with or without vince, and that is a problem that is often next to impossible to remedy.

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Re: alvin and mo.p. sucks

Originally posted by <b>Carter182</b>!
they should be traded mo.p can make the big step i think he loves to be a bench player

alvin play with heart but we can win the games with only heart we need more talent
Do you even watch the games the Raptors play since you live in Mexico?

I'm guessing not if you make stupid comments like that. Alvin and Mo-Pete suck, because Mo-Pete hasn't been consistent all year and Alvin is just in a mini-slump? They both had decent games today, nothing to complain about really.

Mo-Pete has proved time and time again that he stuggles when the team needs him the most, his best role is off the bench where he is not expected of too much, just some energy and scoring off the bench. But when Vince is out, and he's supposed to step up his game in absence of him, he rarely does.
 

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I am lost here. WE playdew horrible defence in this game.. and we didn;t play amazing offence..we got killed on the boards...yet it was a close game for most of the time... what the hell was going on tonight??/ we NEED vince back badly
 

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i saw almost all raptors games

i have direct tv and i saw raptors game every night and that's my opinion about alvin and mo.p games and you should respect that and i respect yours.

ok alvin play with heart and all players should be learn that but also we need more talent i hate see the raptors lose and alvin be the starter with 9 points 4 assist in 31 min. and belive me the last season mo.p. was my favorite player but he can't make the big step and I hate that.
 

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Minny is a tough defensive club, and they have been on fire lately offensively, not just against the Raps.

Jalen and Alvin were both 4/13 shooting, combined 8/26. That hurts. But thanks to FT's they did put up 26 points which is 50% efficiency.

Raps shoot almost 45% overall. Pretty good.

Minny misses only 32 shots all game and gets 12 of them back on O rebounds. OUCH.

They also got 28 FT attempts.

MoP fails to step up offensively AGAIN. Three starts and three sub-par games. Made a couple of late buckets to hide just how invisible he was for the Raps.

Baxter only gets 6 points and 2 rebounds in 18 minutes while OMiller gets 5 points and 4 boards in only 7 minutes.

Our lack of height was key. No one could even bother Garnetts shot. Ervin Johnson, OMiller, and Garnett were all just too big and tall for our front-line.

Could Moiso have helped? Probably, but he isn't really a Raptor anymore.

Murray plays only 6 minutes. And his teammates (Alvin, Milt, Baxter, Bosh) did not pass him the ball ONCE until his final minute on the court. He drove to the right elbow and passed to the left corner to create a look for someone. The only other time he got to touch the ball was on a turnover and he missed an easy little jumper on the break because he had no rhythmn or even touches in the first 4 minutes.

Hard to contribute without touching the ball.

Curry was not missed at all. Only player he could have guarded was Madsen.

Should have tried MasonJr on Cassell, but Milt was putting up good numbers. Milt's clock management is horrible though.
 
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