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spooky coincidence but I live in the Central time zone. The first thing he did was talk about 9-11 and the time was 9:11 when he started talking about the WTC terrorist attacks.
 

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I really like it when he said -

blah blah blah America, blah blah to blah blah and blah. blah blah Liberty blah blah blah Middle East blah blah blah blah Axis of blah blah blah. blah blah Freedom.
At least that is what I heard.
 

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Filled with rhetoric. Our political system is an absolute joke. Why, in a country with millions upon millions of people, is everyone either a democrat or republican? Don't bother voting, you are just fueling our corrupt system.
 

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Fueling our corrupt system...Blah blah blah.

If you hate Democrats or Republicans that much, vote Green Party, Libertarian, ETC.

A wasted vote for a good cause is better than no vote at all.

Anyways, George has had some good funny lines in his speech.
 

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Believe whatever you want. Mass media will never allow a third party a chance in hell. There are way too many brainwashed drones in this country, who believe whatever the television says to them.
 

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Originally posted by <b>dmilesai</b>!
A wasted vote for a good cause is better than no vote at all.
On the other hand, change will begin somewhere. Hopefully my great, great, great, great grandchildren will see it.
 

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Originally posted by <b>Philo</b>!
Believe whatever you want. Mass media will never allow a third party a chance in hell. There are way too many brainwashed drones in this country, who believe whatever the television says to them.
if the 3rd party (green, libertarian, independant, bull-moose, whatever) actually had someone who wasn't a nut-case, people would vote for them.

But in most cases, unless they're insanely wealthy (H. Ross Perot..who'd be a better candidate than both Kerry or Bush) or they're nuts (Ralph Nader, Forbes).

I'm tempted to make up my own party..maybe I'll come up with a list of things...:king:
 

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Originally posted by <b>Hap</b>!


if the 3rd party (green, libertarian, independant, bull-moose, whatever) actually had someone who wasn't a nut-case, people would vote for them.

But in most cases, unless they're insanely wealthy (H. Ross Perot..who'd be a better candidate than both Kerry or Bush) or they're nuts (Ralph Nader, Forbes).

I'm tempted to make up my own party..maybe I'll come up with a list of things...:king:
You got my vote.

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GW Bush: The Deficit-Spending Socialist Crusader

This speech was a really odd one. Bush clearly came out for deficit-spending. If a Democrat gave this speech, many would have called the Democrat a socialist with the laundry list of social spending programs. And in end, he really sounded like a Crusader.

George W. Bush: The Deficit-Spending Socialist Crusader

Of course, this is spin, but is this really a stretch relative to the rhetoric we have heard all week? The true libertarians, true fiscal conservatives, and limited government types who support Bush have to be a little squeamish after hearing a speech like this one.
 

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Re: GW Bush: The Deficit-Spending Socialist Crusader

Originally posted by <b>Dan Rosenbaum</b>!
This speech was a really odd one. Bush clearly came out for deficit-spending. If a Democrat gave this speech, many would have called the Democrat a socialist with the laundry list of social spending programs. And in end, he really sounded like a Crusader.

George W. Bush: The Deficit-Spending Socialist Crusader

Of course, this is spin, but is this really a stretch relative to the rhetoric we have heard all week? The true libertarians, true fiscal conservatives, and limited government types who support Bush have to be a little squeamish after hearing a speech like this one.
Funny. I tell people I think Bush is more left-leaning than right-leaning for the reasons you state.
 

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Guess what? I didn't see the speech, I had other things to do that kept me away from the television. I'll probably see a re-run of it later tonight, or at least bits and pieces...

But I did read the text of his speech and regardless of political bias, the actual text is brilliant. Very much like one of those Reagan speeches that consistently make the top 50 list of all-time speeches.

Parts of it leap out to me and are reminiscent of JFK, FDR and Reagan. For example:

"The story of America is the story of expanding liberty: an ever_widening circle, constantly growing to reach further and include more. Our nation's founding commitment is still our deepest commitment: In our world, and here at home, we will extend the frontiers of freedom... I believe in the transformational power of liberty: The wisest use of American strength is to advance freedom.

...Young men will hear the message that national progress and dignity are found in liberty, not tyranny and terror. Reformers, and political prisoners, and exiles will hear the message that their dream of freedom cannot be denied forever. And as freedom advances — heart by heart, and nation by nation — America will be more secure and the world more peaceful.

...To everything we know there is a season — a time for sadness, a time for struggle, a time for rebuilding. And now we have reached a time for hope. This young century will be liberty's century. By promoting liberty abroad, we will build a safer world. By encouraging liberty at home, we will build a more hopeful America. Like generations before us, we have a calling from beyond the stars to stand for freedom."

Compare this to FDR's 4 freedoms speech, or JFK's innaugural address.
 

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Re: Re: GW Bush: The Deficit-Spending Socialist Crusader

Originally posted by <b>DaBullz</b>!


Funny. I tell people I think Bush is more left-leaning than right-leaning for the reasons you state.
I'd agree there. Just goes to show what can happen, I guess, when a young 'conservative' (born 1946) comes of age in the JFK era.

I wouldn't call Bush Jr a liberal, but he sure reminds me of one. Operation Iraqi Freedom, especially, has been conducted from classic progressive liberal ideas.

I've given this advice before, but I recommend that folks READ GWB's speech transcript.

It's like the 'Mission Accomplished' flap - a lot of folks have made themselves sound foolish because they obviously didn't bother to check what he actually said. I can understand not wanting to listen to the man, but as Tom Junod pointed out in his Esquire article, if you can get past the man saying the words, the content of GWB's speeches by and large is informative.

Perhaps, this wilful ignorance or misinterpretation of GWB's presidential statements is WHY some folks seem to believe there has been no vision or strategy in the war on terror? I guess since I skipped most of my physics classes in HS (sadly, true) means there's no explanation for gravity, either.
 

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Re: Re: Re: GW Bush: The Deficit-Spending Socialist Crusader

Originally posted by <b>NYCbballFan</b>!

It's like the 'Mission Accomplished' flap - a lot of folks have made themselves sound foolish because they obviously didn't bother to check what he actually said.
you mean, kinda like how republicans/conservatives kept saying that Al Gore said he "invented the internet", when he actually didn't say anything remotely close to that?
 

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Re: Re: Re: Re: GW Bush: The Deficit-Spending Socialist Crusader

Originally posted by <b>Hap</b>!


you mean, kinda like how republicans/conservatives kept saying that Al Gore said he "invented the internet", when he actually didn't say anything remotely close to that?
I don't know much about that, not being a Republican or a Conservative. Or Democrat for that matter. I was probably in the Army and overseas at the time, too, when fluff like this went under my radar.

But as an American living in these times, I think it's important to stay abreast of at least what the president and CinC - whether he or she be Dem, GOP or other - is explaining about the global war on terror. I would expect GOP supporters to pay equal attention to John Kerry's presidential statements on the GWOT, should he become the president and CinC.

Wilful ignorance or misinterpretation of the president's statements on the GWOT doesn't really seem on the same plane as an obscure slow-news-day spin-party on Gore's link with info-tech development.
 

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Fascinating. Two Bush supporters who seem to giving some support to the conclusion that Bush positioned himself tonight as a Deficit-Spending Socialist Crusader. Utterly fascinating.

Personally, one of my biggest gripes about Bush is at its core very conservative. I detest how he takes credit for the sacrifices made by the heroes of 9/11, the young people in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the young people who are going to be saddled with devastatingly high taxes because of the selfishness of this generation in not doing its part to pay its fair share of the burden due to the War on Terror.

I also find it unbecoming when John Kerry brags about his military accomplishments, but at least they are HIS heroic sacrifices. It is far more offensive to see Bush use the heroic sacrifices of others as political cannon fodder to attack someone like John Kerry who even Zell Miller has called "an authentic American hero." At his core George W. Bush is pure hypocrisy.
 

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No. I'm an OpIF and GWOT supporter, not a Bush Jr supporter per se.

Unfortunately, because some people have chosen to attack OpIF and the GWOT in order to get at Bush Jr, it puts me in that kind of position.

As I said, I wanted - still want - Kerry and the Democrats to impress me because we ought to be able to do better than George W. Bush as our American president. At times, they have impressed me. Heck, I tend to cite more Democrats than Republicans when I talk about OpIF. However, many Dems (at least their supporters) seem to have sold out OpIF, and even the GWOT, in order to win this election, and that disappoints me.
 
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