Harnum removes interm and becomes AD

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Beagle

Discussion Starter · Mar 20, 2006

http://www.rider.edu/174_4857.htm

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Sienafan

· #2 · Mar 20, 2006

So does this mean the interim tag is also removed from Dempsey, or are they going to look for a head coach? This is an important crossroads for Rider. Make the wrong decision and it'll cost you. Ask Siena, they'll tell you what a bad coaching hire will do to ya.

My money is on Dempsey being retained. I don't see Harnum giving the ax to one of his own guys. It wouldn't reflect very highly on him if he did, seeing as he hired the guy for his staff in the first place.

RiderRaver

· #3 · Mar 20, 2006

Sienafan said:
So does this mean the interim tag is also removed from Dempsey, or are they going to look for a head coach? This is an important crossroads for Rider. Make the wrong decision and it'll cost you. Ask Siena, they'll tell you what a bad coaching hire will do to ya.

My money is on Dempsey being retained. I don't see Harnum giving the ax to one of his own guys. It wouldn't reflect very highly on him if he did, seeing as he hired the guy for his staff in the first place.

I agree, SF. Dempsey was brought in as the heir apparent to Harnum and I view his demotion or lack of promotion improbable. That said, Harnum needs to do what is right for the program. The team gave up on Dempsey down the stretch and I think he can be the top assistant to a proven and bigger name that could come to Lawrenceville.

Sienafan

· #4 · Mar 20, 2006

Looking at Rider's roster, there's now way that team should have finished last. At the very least it should have fiinished ahead of Canisius and Fairfield. That falls squarely on the coach. I'd can him now, while it can be done with no contract to have to buy out. If Rider is smart, they'll get Dave Henderson, formerly of Delaware. He would excel at Rider, which has got to be a better place to recruit to then Delaware.

soup

· #5 · Mar 20, 2006

Delaware's facilities and academics blow Rider's out of the water. Not sure how Rider is easier to recruit to.

RiderRaver

· #6 · Mar 20, 2006

Sienafan said:
Looking at Rider's roster, there's now way that team should have finished last. At the very least it should have fiinished ahead of Canisius and Fairfield. That falls squarely on the coach. I'd can him now, while it can be done with no contract to have to buy out. If Rider is smart, they'll get Dave Henderson, formerly of Delaware. He would excel at Rider, which has got to be a better place to recruit to then Delaware.

Again, I agree. However, Dempsey should still have the opportunity to be in the mix and be guaranteed a top assistant's position should he not win the job. In defense of Dempsey, he was unbelievably successful at the JUCO DII and DIII levels. I believe he was 88-12 at Lackawanna where he took the 2003 team to the national title game. But despite his potential, he is not proven on the DI level. There are other proven coaches like Gary Watters that are available.

RiderRaver

· #7 · Mar 20, 2006

soup said:
Delaware's facilities and academics blow Rider's out of the water. Not sure how Rider is easier to recruit to.

Rider has outrecruited Delaware in recent years by a wide margin. For a major pub school, Delaware's hoops facilities are about average. The only academic advantage Delaware has breadth of offerings, outside of that Rider's comparable programs are stronger and more highly accredited. The faculty is also not comparable. The location is a no brainer.

Beagle

Discussion Starter · #8 · Mar 20, 2006

Dempsey will excell as the head coach, he was in a difficult position last year. Dave Henderson makes Lanier look like John Wooden, Delaware had a tremendous amount of talent and did nothing. Look for Dempsey to make some major changes and for the results to be very different from this year.

Raver don't start changing on Dempsey you have been calling for him to be fired all year stick to your point don't try changing your tune now.

SaintlySaint

· #9 · Mar 20, 2006

Sorry Beagle, but you claimed that Dempsey would excel this year and that the freshmen were fabulous. Now all of a sudden Dempsey was in a 'difficult position". Laughable

Beagle

Discussion Starter · #10 · Mar 20, 2006

I did think that they would have made more of an impact then they did, but I still maintain they are talented and look at the normal jump that players make between their freshmen and sophmore years. I have also admitted that I was incorrect on the freshmen. Dempsey did a good job with how young the team was, the team never quit on him.

Sienafan

· #11 · Mar 20, 2006

soup said:
Delaware's facilities and academics blow Rider's out of the water. Not sure how Rider is easier to recruit to.

I was being facetious. Guess that wasn't obvious in print.

St. Louis Gael

· #12 · Mar 20, 2006

RiderRaver said:
I agree, SF. Dempsey was brought in as the heir apparent to Harnum and I view his demotion or lack of promotion improbable. That said, Harnum needs to do what is right for the program. The team gave up on Dempsey down the stretch and I think he can be the top assistant to a proven and bigger name that could come to Lawrenceville.

Finally Raver, I understand the Rider record this past season. I see Harum and the rest of the athletic department was distracted while Harum was establishing the "Athletics Hall of Fame display. . .".

On second thought, how long does it take to hang a picture of Digger Phelps? :cheers: :cheers: :biggrin:

JCKid

· #13 · Mar 20, 2006

St. Louis Gael said:
On second thought, how long does it take to hang a picture of Digger Phelps?

It only took me about 10 seconds to put one on my dart board.

RiderRaver

· #14 · Mar 20, 2006

Beagle said:
I did think that they would have made more of an impact then they did, but I still maintain they are talented and look at the normal jump that players make between their freshmen and sophmore years. I have also admitted that I was incorrect on the freshmen. Dempsey did a good job with how young the team was, the team never quit on him.

The freshmen made considerable impact and we should be thrilled with their productivity. Dempsey never settled on a lineup, it was changed numerous times throughout the season. That directly caused sporadic play and uneven minutes.

RiderRaver

· #15 · Mar 20, 2006

Beagle said:
Dempsey will excell as the head coach, he was in a difficult position last year. Dave Henderson makes Lanier look like John Wooden, Delaware had a tremendous amount of talent and did nothing. Look for Dempsey to make some major changes and for the results to be very different from this year.

Raver don't start changing on Dempsey you have been calling for him to be fired all year stick to your point don't try changing your tune now.

I have said all season he did a mediocre job and the performance especially down the stretch didn't exactly inspire confidence. I have no problem with him being interviewed for the position and if Harnum really thinks he deserves it, he's more qualified than me to make that decision. However, why not bring in some name coaches and give them the same opportunity?

Beagle

Discussion Starter · #16 · Mar 20, 2006

Your making posts on things you don't have a clue about. Dempsey gave all the freshmen a chance to win minutes and spots. The upper classmen played inconsistantly. If the freshmen played well they stayed on the floor go look at the stats and you will see that, being you were not at hardly any games to see first hand what went on.

RiderRaver

· #17 · Mar 20, 2006

Beagle said:
Your making posts on things you don't have a clue about. Dempsey gave all the freshmen a chance to win minutes and spots. The upper classmen played inconsistantly. If the freshmen played well they stayed on the floor go look at the stats and you will see that, being you were not at hardly any games to see first hand what went on.

The whole season turned into one big experiment. I don't have to look at the stats. Coaches often make that exact mistake you describe. Trying to find the hot player to keep in the game. Sure down the stretch is someone is playing well but you expected LJ who played a lot in the first half of the season only to see his minutes decline to be as productive in the 2nd half as the 1st? That's why you have pre-season, practices and scrimmages. I'll cut Dempsey some slack in that there were a lot of new faces.

SaintlySaint

· #18 · Mar 20, 2006

Beagle. I was at almost as many games as you. I reaffirm my position that Dempsey was in way over his head. I saw first hand (something you accuse Raver of not doing). It is my learned opinion that Rider is unfixably broken, saddled with bad talent and a coach whose learning curve can be compared to drinking water from a fire hose.

Beagle

Discussion Starter · #19 · Mar 20, 2006

you also said Jason Thompson would never make a all MAAC team and his numbers would not go up this year. Last year is done no reason to discuss it time to move forward.

SaintlySaint

· #20 · Mar 21, 2006

Beagle. You can nit pick every little statement I made about Rider. The fact is the assessment that I made about Rider after the Bucknell game was dead on, and your assessment was way, way off the mark. You predicted a top 4 finish, I predicted they would finish 8th. I guess you could say I was closer to the truth than you were.

After the bucknell game, I said that Rider wouldn't improve and that their guard play was awful. Guess what, I was right, AGAIN. I never said Jason Thompson wouldn't make an all MAAC team and i don't think he improved this year. He was the only option on offense, instead of last year where he wasn't the option.

Bottom line is no one really cares -- people laugh at Rider's program, and they should. Rider has the worst facilities, and is one of the MAAC's worst programs. Rider has done ZERO for the conference since joining, another FACT. The disucssion should be about when Rider is leaving the MAAC because they don't fit and the rest of the conferences tires of and is bored with hearing your proclamations about the "greatness of Rider", along with the resultant lies about "Senior graduation rates", etc repeated by you and the beat writers. While we're playing 'lets nitpick', you were on this board humping Rider's win over Boston U at home as a 'top 100 win", when in the end, BU finished below .500 in the worst D1 conference in the U.S.

RIDER is a JOKE and everyone knows it

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