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Should Portland trade for Dikembe Mutombo and Penny Hardaway this offseason?

  • Yep, Mutombo gives the team a legit NBA center, and Penny is an upgrade over Stoudamire.

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  • Nah, Mutombo is way past his prime, and Penny will never bounce back to the form of his Orlando days

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Here are four trades that would give the Blazers a much-needed facelift:

1) Damon Stoudamire and Bonzi Wells (in a sign-and-trade) to the Grizzlies; Jason Williams, Michael Dickerson, Stromile Swift, and Brevin Knight to the Blazers

Rationale: The team obviously wants to get rid of Stoudamire, and Bonzi is neither a great locker room presence nor a team player. Swift is still a major commodity--but Jerry West doesn't like him, he doesn't think he'll ever be a good NBA player (I agree with him). Both Williams and Dickerson are decent, but West wants to dump them ASAP, and the Trailblazers will agree to take them on if they can unload Stoudamire. Besides, isn't Williams a better PG at this point than is Stoudamire? You know?

2) Shawn Kemp to the Suns; Penny Hardaway, Bo Outlaw, and Randy Brown to the Blazers

The Suns do this deal because it saves them over $30 million, as Penny has four more years to go on his terrible deal. Penny is the new starting point guard in Portland, Bo Outlaw is EXACTLY the kind of veteran role player Portland needs, and the Blazers finally get rid of Kemp.

3) Stromile Swift, Michael Dickerson, and Randy Brown to the Warriors; Erick Dampier and Danny Fortson to the Blazers

Dampier gives the Blazers a legit center, something they haven't had since Sabonis left. The Warriors desperately want to unload any remnants of their godawful recent past, and they'll be more than happy to take on Dickerson's contract (four years left) since it means they're dumping Dampier and Fortson AND getting a guy who went #2 overall just two summers ago! Dickerson can't stay healthy, anyway. Swift, like I said, is going to go down as a bust, and the Blazers would probably be better off giving all the backup PF minutes to Zach Randolph, anyway, right?

4) Scottie Pippen, Dale Davis, and Danny Fortson to the 76ers; Dikembe Mutombo, Matt Geiger, and Mark Bryant to the Blazers

Fortson is terrible, Davis isn't really a center in the Western Conference, and Pippen, well, nice player for the Blazers, but it's time for him to move on. Larry Brown needs bodies, he loves veterans, he wants to get something for Mutombo NOW, while he still can, so he'd do this deal, absolutely. Mutombo gives the Blazers a legit center, one of the top five centers in the league (he's still top five, right?).

Here are the revamped Portland Trailblazers:

PG Penny Hardaway--Jason Williams
SG Derek Anderson--Qyntel Woods
SF Bo Outlaw--Ruben Patterson
PF Rasheed Wallace--Zach Randolph
C Dikembe Mutombo--Erick Dampier

Riding the pine: Jason Jennings, Steve Kerr, Brevin Knight, Matt Geiger, Mark Bryant, Erick Barkley

Outlaw and Mutombo are EXACTLY the sorts of veteran role players this team needs. They can take care of all the little things, they are winners--and Rasheed Wallace can stop worrying about whatever the hell he's been worrying about and finally turn into the perennial MVP candidate that he SHOULD turn into. Penny is not what he used to be, but is he really any worse than Stoudamire? Derek Anderson is handed the starting SG job, he should really respond well to starter's minutes, he should be this team's #2 scorer. That second unit is really interesting, too. The team could even take it easy on Mutombo during the regular season--so he could be ready for the playoffs. And don't forget that Mo Cheeks was one hell of an NBA point guard--he might just turn Jason Williams into a REAL NBA point guard, you never know--the dude is still a kid, and he certainly has a ton of talent, that's for sure.

I sort of envision the first unit getting 32 minutes/game, the second unit getting 16 minutes/game. You could play yr veteran half-court first unit for the first four minutes of each quarter and for the last four minutes of each quarter, and you could play that really athletic fast-breaking second unit for the middle four minutes of each quarter. What a change of pace! Although I suppose you could let Dampier play during two of those four-minute chunks with the first unit, so as to take it easy on Mutombo. Patterson would also get to play during two of those four-minute chunks with the first unit. Rasheed is too damn good to not play at LEAST 36 minutes/game, so we'll let him run with the kiddies a bit, maybe 4 minutes/game with that second unit. And, hell, you may as well give Jason Williams ONE of those four-minute chunks with the first unit. Here's the minute-per-game breakdown, then:

Penny Hardaway: 28 minutes/game
Jason Williams: 20 minutes/game
Derek Anderson: 32 minutes/game
Qyntel Woods: 16 minutes/game
Bo Outlaw: 24 minutes/game
Ruben Patterson: 24 minutes/game
Rasheed Wallace: 36 minutes/game
Zach Randolph: 12 minutes/game
Dikembe Mutombo: 24 minutes/game
Erick Dampier: 24 minutes/game

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Originally posted by robyg1974
Here are four trades that would give the Blazers a much-needed facelift:

1) Damon Stoudamire and Bonzi Wells (in a sign-and-trade) to the Grizzlies; Jason Williams, Michael Dickerson, Stromile Swift, and Brevin Knight to the Blazers

Rationale: The team obviously wants to get rid of Stoudamire, and Bonzi is neither a great locker room presence nor a team player. Swift is still a major commodity--but Jerry West doesn't like him, he doesn't think he'll ever be a good NBA player (I agree with him). Both Williams and Dickerson are decent, but West wants to dump them ASAP, and the Trailblazers will agree to take them on if they can unload Stoudamire. Besides, isn't Williams a better PG at this point than is Stoudamire? You know?

2) Shawn Kemp to the Suns; Penny Hardaway, Bo Outlaw, and Randy Brown to the Blazers

The Suns do this deal because it saves them over $30 million, as Penny has four more years to go on his terrible deal. Penny is the new starting point guard in Portland, Bo Outlaw is EXACTLY the kind of veteran role player Portland needs, and the Blazers finally get rid of Kemp.

3) Stromile Swift, Michael Dickerson, and Randy Brown to the Warriors; Erick Dampier and Danny Fortson to the Blazers

Dampier gives the Blazers a legit center, something they haven't had since Sabonis left. The Warriors desperately want to unload any remnants of their godawful recent past, and they'll be more than happy to take on Dickerson's contract (four years left) since it means they're dumping Dampier and Fortson AND getting a guy who went #2 overall just two summers ago! Dickerson can't stay healthy, anyway. Swift, like I said, is going to go down as a bust, and the Blazers would probably be better off giving all the backup PF minutes to Zach Randolph, anyway, right?

4) Scottie Pippen, Dale Davis, and Danny Fortson to the 76ers; Dikembe Mutombo, Matt Geiger, and Mark Bryant to the Blazers

Fortson is terrible, Davis isn't really a center in the Western Conference, and Pippen, well, nice player for the Blazers, but it's time for him to move on. Larry Brown needs bodies, he loves veterans, he wants to get something for Mutombo NOW, while he still can, so he'd do this deal, absolutely. Mutombo gives the Blazers a legit center, one of the top five centers in the league (he's still top five, right?).

Here are the revamped Portland Trailblazers:

PG Penny Hardaway--Jason Williams
SG Derek Anderson--Qyntel Woods
SF Bo Outlaw--Ruben Patterson
PF Rasheed Wallace--Zach Randolph
C Dikembe Mutombo--Erick Dampier

Riding the pine: Jason Jennings, Steve Kerr, Brevin Knight, Matt Geiger, Mark Bryant, Erick Barkley

Outlaw and Mutombo are EXACTLY the sorts of veteran role players this team needs. They can take care of all the little things, they are winners--and Rasheed Wallace can stop worrying about whatever the hell he's been worrying about and finally turn into the perennial MVP candidate that he SHOULD turn into. Penny is not what he used to be, but is he really any worse than Stoudamire? Derek Anderson is handed the starting SG job, he should really respond well to starter's minutes, he should be this team's #2 scorer. That second unit is really interesting, too. The team could even take it easy on Mutombo during the regular season--so he could be ready for the playoffs. And don't forget that Mo Cheeks was one hell of an NBA point guard--he might just turn Jason Williams into a REAL NBA point guard, you never know--the dude is still a kid, and he certainly has a ton of talent, that's for sure.

I sort of envision the first unit getting 32 minutes/game, the second unit getting 16 minutes/game. You could play yr veteran half-court first unit for the first four minutes of each quarter and for the last four minutes of each quarter, and you could play that really athletic fast-breaking second unit for the middle four minutes of each quarter. What a change of pace! Although I suppose you could let Dampier play during two of those four-minute chunks with the first unit, so as to take it easy on Mutombo. Patterson would also get to play during two of those four-minute chunks with the first unit. Rasheed is too damn good to not play at LEAST 36 minutes/game, so we'll let him run with the kiddies a bit, maybe 4 minutes/game with that second unit. And, hell, you may as well give Jason Williams ONE of those four-minute chunks with the first unit. Here's the minute-per-game breakdown, then:

Penny Hardaway: 28 minutes/game
Jason Williams: 20 minutes/game
Derek Anderson: 32 minutes/game
Qyntel Woods: 16 minutes/game
Bo Outlaw: 24 minutes/game
Ruben Patterson: 24 minutes/game
Rasheed Wallace: 36 minutes/game
Zach Randolph: 12 minutes/game
Dikembe Mutombo: 24 minutes/game
Erick Dampier: 24 minutes/game

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Good Post. I agree Mutombo would give them a legit center, but I seriously don't think they have any need for Penny. Qyntel Woods needs playing time, he would just be pushed down on the bench more. Now, on to your trade proposals:

Trade number one: I would just do it based on the fact Swift can turn into a monster, and Jason Williams fits into Portland's system. I am guessing Dickerson would eventually start. I'm not sure what purpose Knight would have, Barkley is a good backup.

Trade Number two: I would do it based on the fact you get rid of Kemp and open room for Randolph. Brown is a legit backup, and Penny would start at the 2 or 3. Bo Outlaw is probably better than Kemp at this point, but I don't see the Suns doing it when Stoudemire is developing into a monster.

Trade Number three: I would NOT do it. As I said, Swift will be a monster and Dampier and Fortson are not any better than Randolph and Wallace...hell, they aren't even close...

Trade Number four: Well, I guess I can't really evaluate trade number four, sense trade number three wouldn't go down.

Nice read Roby, keep em coming!:D
 

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Devestata...

Thanks for the feedback. Where the hell are all the Portland fans? Do you know?

Here are my comments regarding your comments:

1) Brevin Knight gets included in that Memphis deal to even out the salaries, his contract is up after two years. Does anybody know why that dude is making $5 mil/yr? Does HE know?

2) I don't like Penny as a player, but the team DOES need a change at the PG position, The Damon Stoudamire Era needs to come to an end ASAP. And Penny would play the point for Portland, not the 2 or the 3--which would NOT take PT away from Qyntel Woods.

3) Qyntel Woods and Amare Stoudemire are EXTREMELY RAW PLAYERS. The Summer League doesn't mean much. Neither one of these two dudes are really ready to contribute in this league. I am probably assuming that Qyntel is more ready than he is in my PT scenario, I'm giving him 16 minutes/game at the SG position--when MAYBE he needs to split those 16 minutes/game NEXT year with Steve Kerr, to be perfectly honest. Again, I think 16 minutes/game is awfully generous for a dude like Qyntel who isn't ready.

4) Amare Stoudemire may well be pleasing the hell out of Suns management and coaches right now, but don't count on HIM getting much time next year, either. In fact, if the Suns-Blazers deal that I'm proposing goes down, Shawn Kemp should (and WOULD) get more PT next season than Stoudemire. I mean, the dude is coming out of high school--Kobe wasn't even ready to play during his first season out of high school!

5) Erick Barkley isn't a good backup, he doesn't even touch the floor for that team.

6) I don't like Michael Dickerson, he's included in that deal with other dudes that Jerry West SMARTLY wants to unload because West doesn't like him, either. I don't see how Dickerson ever starts over Derek Anderson, do you? Plus, Dickerson can't stay healthy.

7) I DO like gambling on Jason Williams, though--as you suggest, he could really find a home here in Portland. The dude has a TON of potential--but he's GOTTA KNOW how stupid it was for the Grizz to trade Mike Bibby for him STRAIGHT UP (good LORD how dumb is THAT trade?)--I GOTTA THINK that he needs to get out of Memphis completely, because he'll NEVER be Mike Bibby. HOWEVER, if you put him in a low-pressure situation like Portland, where his coach is THE GREAT MO CHEEKS, where the coaches secretly want him to eventually beat out Penny Hardaway for the starting PG job--yeah, I think this is a good situation for him.

8) There is not a better evaluator of talent in this league than Jerry West. If Jerry West is desperately trying to get some value in return for Stromile Swift NOW, while he STILL CAN, before everybody realizes what A HUGE BUST this dude is--I think it's safe to say that Swift will never be a star in this league. Seriously--don't you think JERRY WEST knows more about basketball than you or I do? You know? ANYWAY--if West can turn Swift, who is AT BEST a big maybe, into Bonzi Wells, who would average 25 ppg in Memphis (let's face it, the dude is a HELL of a player, he just needs a change of scenery, like a lot of dudes on Portland), WELL, that's a hell of a trade for the Grizz. Take a look at the 2002-03 Grizz after this deal goes down:

PG Damon Stoudamire--Earl Watson (Seattle won't match the Grizzlies' offer, because they suddenly have Kenny Anderson)
SG Bonzi Wells--Wesley Person--Gordon Giricek
SF Shane Battier--Drew Gooden
PF Pau Gasol
C Lorenzen Wright--Tony Massenburg--Robert Archibald

Minutes/game breakdown:

PG Damon Stoudamire 32/game, Watson 16/game
SG Bonzi 32/game, Person 16/game, Giricek no PT
SF Battier 32/game, Gooden 16/game
PF Gasol 36/game, Gooden 12/game (Gooden 28/game total)
C Wright 32/game, Massenburg 10/game, Archibald 6/game

Bonzi is a significant upgrade over Dickerson (SIGNIFICANT; Bonzi-Gasol is this team's 1-2 punch for the next 4-5 years); Stoudamire has three years left on his deal, while Williams and Dickerson both have four years left on their deals; Stoudamire might benefit from a change of scenery, while, like I said, Jason Williams just needs to go; Stoudamire is included because the Blazers insist on the Grizz eating his salary, otherwise, what incentive does Portland have to trade Bonzi (other than Swift?); Swift doesn't fit into the Grizzlies' longterm plans, since Battier needs to play the 3 (whether Memphis gets Bonzi or NOT, because of the presence of Person AND Dickerson/Bonzi AND Giricek, AND because Gooden is the only other 3 on the roster), and his stock is as high as it's ever going to get right NOW, so you need to deal him NOW.

Anyway, this is a much better Memphis team--they should surprise some people--I honestly think they'll finish about 11th in the West, ahead of the Rockets (who will REALLY disappoint). Although the team REALLY needs to upgrade at PG and C if it expects to ever make the playoffs, especially in the Western Conference.

9) Rasheed Wallace isn't really a center, he's a PF--so, if you make that deal with Philly for Mutombo, well, who is going to back up Mutombo? And keep in mind that Mutombo shouldn't REALLY be playing more than 24 minutes/game if you are serious about keeping him fresh for the playoffs and prolonging his career. This team needs a legit backup C--and Erick Dampier is a LEGIT backup C. He's not a star, he'll never be a star, he's getting paid too much money, blahblahblah--but he IS a LEGIT backup C. He'd probably be the best backup C in the NBA--well, no Jamaal Magliore is the best backup C in the NBA--but he'd be CLOSE! Dickerson doesn't fit into the Blazers' plans (they already have Derek Anderson, Qyntel Woods, and Steve Kerr at SG), he's not very good, he's injury-prone, he has a longterm contract, so good riddance to HIM; and I don't like Stromile Swift, especially when he'll have a hard time getting minutes on a playoff team; Fortson will get quickly shipped off to Philly in the Mutombo trade.

Of course, it's pretty obvious that you are a pro-Swift guy, and that I'm an anti-Swift guy--neither one of us knows for sure what's going to happen with that guy, to be fair. But one thing is for sure--Rasheed isn't a center, or he doesn't WANT to be a center, anyway--so this team needs some beef up front, it needs a CENTER, not a Stromile Swift--so, in my mind, Dampier is a pretty good fit here. And Dampier isn't bad--guys like Dampier tend to do BETTER when they get out of lousy losing situations like Golden State--guys like Michael Dickerson (scorers, one-on-one players) tend to do well in losing situations (like Vancouver a couple of years ago)--but role players like Dampier are wasted on losing teams. You put a guy like Dampier (or Foyle, for that matter) on a winner, you put a guy like that with a great coach like Mo Cheeks or Larry Brown, somebody who is going to explain to the dude what is needed/expected from him--he'll do just fine. Dampier is a solid NBA center--he's just never going to be a star. Portland doesn't need him to be a star--so he'll be just fine.

10) ANYWAY--one more time, take a look at this lineup I'm proposing, it's much better--like I said, Bo Outlaw and Dikembe Mutombo are EXACTLY the sorts of players that this team needs, i.e., guys who don't need to shoot the ball, guys who WANT to do all the little things, great team players, veteran leaders! One more time, take a look:

PG Penny Hardaway--Jason Williams
SG Derek Anderson--Qyntel Woods
SF Bo Outlaw--Ruben Patterson
PF Rasheed Wallace--Zach Randolph
C Dikembe Mutombo--Erick Dampier

I like it! Mutombo and Outlaw would be great locker room presences, AND they would really help calm Rasheed down. Seriously, all that needs to happen with Rasheed Wallace is for him to CALM DOWN, to stop this whole Public Enemy #1 business. He's a good guy, he's got a good personality, he plays hard--I mean, he SHOULD be a sympathetic figure, he SHOULD become the kind of guy that GETS the calls. As soon as he calms down, as soon as the calls start going HIS way, in his FAVOR--I mean, seriously, why can't this guy be one of the top five players in the league? Why can't he be an MVP candidate? He's still a kid--what is he, 27? 28? You KNOW?
 

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man.. that's too much and you know for sure none of them will happen cuz trader bob is one of the worst gm's around.
1. pippen will not be traded away. period. he's too old, not a team player anymore, and makes way too much.
2. i like the damon to minnesota idea, but what would you get back? wally and/or nesterovic?
3. erick barkley is raw. i dont care what you guys saw. each time i see him on the floor (like 5 times maybe) he tears it up. he's really more of a scoring PG so he'll never really develop into a traditional pg.
4. portland needs to get rid of one of their SF/SG (pippen, bonzi, ruben, derek quyntel). last year it was hard enough to squeeze in 4 of them, this year will be harder cuz there's 5 and they all want their PT. if damon gets traded away, i guess that would free up some room for pippen or derek to disguise as a PG and give more PT for everyone, but thy're still f'ed.
5. trade for mutumbo! dale and bonzi or zach for mutumbo. that gives philly back a "center in the east" and a second scorer for Iverson.
 

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Originally posted by robyg1974
Thanks for the feedback. Where the hell are all the Portland fans? Do you know?

Here are my comments regarding your comments:

1) Brevin Knight gets included in that Memphis deal to even out the salaries, his contract is up after two years. Does anybody know why that dude is making $5 mil/yr? Does HE know?

2) I don't like Penny as a player, but the team DOES need a change at the PG position, The Damon Stoudamire Era needs to come to an end ASAP. And Penny would play the point for Portland, not the 2 or the 3--which would NOT take PT away from Qyntel Woods.

3) Qyntel Woods and Amare Stoudemire are EXTREMELY RAW PLAYERS. The Summer League doesn't mean much. Neither one of these two dudes are really ready to contribute in this league. I am probably assuming that Qyntel is more ready than he is in my PT scenario, I'm giving him 16 minutes/game at the SG position--when MAYBE he needs to split those 16 minutes/game NEXT year with Steve Kerr, to be perfectly honest. Again, I think 16 minutes/game is awfully generous for a dude like Qyntel who isn't ready.

4) Amare Stoudemire may well be pleasing the hell out of Suns management and coaches right now, but don't count on HIM getting much time next year, either. In fact, if the Suns-Blazers deal that I'm proposing goes down, Shawn Kemp should (and WOULD) get more PT next season than Stoudemire. I mean, the dude is coming out of high school--Kobe wasn't even ready to play during his first season out of high school!

5) Erick Barkley isn't a good backup, he doesn't even touch the floor for that team.

6) I don't like Michael Dickerson, he's included in that deal with other dudes that Jerry West SMARTLY wants to unload because West doesn't like him, either. I don't see how Dickerson ever starts over Derek Anderson, do you? Plus, Dickerson can't stay healthy.

7) I DO like gambling on Jason Williams, though--as you suggest, he could really find a home here in Portland. The dude has a TON of potential--but he's GOTTA KNOW how stupid it was for the Grizz to trade Mike Bibby for him STRAIGHT UP (good LORD how dumb is THAT trade?)--I GOTTA THINK that he needs to get out of Memphis completely, because he'll NEVER be Mike Bibby. HOWEVER, if you put him in a low-pressure situation like Portland, where his coach is THE GREAT MO CHEEKS, where the coaches secretly want him to eventually beat out Penny Hardaway for the starting PG job--yeah, I think this is a good situation for him.

8) There is not a better evaluator of talent in this league than Jerry West. If Jerry West is desperately trying to get some value in return for Stromile Swift NOW, while he STILL CAN, before everybody realizes what A HUGE BUST this dude is--I think it's safe to say that Swift will never be a star in this league. Seriously--don't you think JERRY WEST knows more about basketball than you or I do? You know? ANYWAY--if West can turn Swift, who is AT BEST a big maybe, into Bonzi Wells, who would average 25 ppg in Memphis (let's face it, the dude is a HELL of a player, he just needs a change of scenery, like a lot of dudes on Portland), WELL, that's a hell of a trade for the Grizz. Take a look at the 2002-03 Grizz after this deal goes down:

PG Damon Stoudamire--Earl Watson (Seattle won't match the Grizzlies' offer, because they suddenly have Kenny Anderson)
SG Bonzi Wells--Wesley Person--Gordon Giricek
SF Shane Battier--Drew Gooden
PF Pau Gasol
C Lorenzen Wright--Tony Massenburg--Robert Archibald

Minutes/game breakdown:

PG Damon Stoudamire 32/game, Watson 16/game
SG Bonzi 32/game, Person 16/game, Giricek no PT
SF Battier 32/game, Gooden 16/game
PF Gasol 36/game, Gooden 12/game (Gooden 28/game total)
C Wright 32/game, Massenburg 10/game, Archibald 6/game

Bonzi is a significant upgrade over Dickerson (SIGNIFICANT; Bonzi-Gasol is this team's 1-2 punch for the next 4-5 years); Stoudamire has three years left on his deal, while Williams and Dickerson both have four years left on their deals; Stoudamire might benefit from a change of scenery, while, like I said, Jason Williams just needs to go; Stoudamire is included because the Blazers insist on the Grizz eating his salary, otherwise, what incentive does Portland have to trade Bonzi (other than Swift?); Swift doesn't fit into the Grizzlies' longterm plans, since Battier needs to play the 3 (whether Memphis gets Bonzi or NOT, because of the presence of Person AND Dickerson/Bonzi AND Giricek, AND because Gooden is the only other 3 on the roster), and his stock is as high as it's ever going to get right NOW, so you need to deal him NOW.

Anyway, this is a much better Memphis team--they should surprise some people--I honestly think they'll finish about 11th in the West, ahead of the Rockets (who will REALLY disappoint). Although the team REALLY needs to upgrade at PG and C if it expects to ever make the playoffs, especially in the Western Conference.

9) Rasheed Wallace isn't really a center, he's a PF--so, if you make that deal with Philly for Mutombo, well, who is going to back up Mutombo? And keep in mind that Mutombo shouldn't REALLY be playing more than 24 minutes/game if you are serious about keeping him fresh for the playoffs and prolonging his career. This team needs a legit backup C--and Erick Dampier is a LEGIT backup C. He's not a star, he'll never be a star, he's getting paid too much money, blahblahblah--but he IS a LEGIT backup C. He'd probably be the best backup C in the NBA--well, no Jamaal Magliore is the best backup C in the NBA--but he'd be CLOSE! Dickerson doesn't fit into the Blazers' plans (they already have Derek Anderson, Qyntel Woods, and Steve Kerr at SG), he's not very good, he's injury-prone, he has a longterm contract, so good riddance to HIM; and I don't like Stromile Swift, especially when he'll have a hard time getting minutes on a playoff team; Fortson will get quickly shipped off to Philly in the Mutombo trade.

Of course, it's pretty obvious that you are a pro-Swift guy, and that I'm an anti-Swift guy--neither one of us knows for sure what's going to happen with that guy, to be fair. But one thing is for sure--Rasheed isn't a center, or he doesn't WANT to be a center, anyway--so this team needs some beef up front, it needs a CENTER, not a Stromile Swift--so, in my mind, Dampier is a pretty good fit here. And Dampier isn't bad--guys like Dampier tend to do BETTER when they get out of lousy losing situations like Golden State--guys like Michael Dickerson (scorers, one-on-one players) tend to do well in losing situations (like Vancouver a couple of years ago)--but role players like Dampier are wasted on losing teams. You put a guy like Dampier (or Foyle, for that matter) on a winner, you put a guy like that with a great coach like Mo Cheeks or Larry Brown, somebody who is going to explain to the dude what is needed/expected from him--he'll do just fine. Dampier is a solid NBA center--he's just never going to be a star. Portland doesn't need him to be a star--so he'll be just fine.

10) ANYWAY--one more time, take a look at this lineup I'm proposing, it's much better--like I said, Bo Outlaw and Dikembe Mutombo are EXACTLY the sorts of players that this team needs, i.e., guys who don't need to shoot the ball, guys who WANT to do all the little things, great team players, veteran leaders! One more time, take a look:

PG Penny Hardaway--Jason Williams
SG Derek Anderson--Qyntel Woods
SF Bo Outlaw--Ruben Patterson
PF Rasheed Wallace--Zach Randolph
C Dikembe Mutombo--Erick Dampier

I like it! Mutombo and Outlaw would be great locker room presences, AND they would really help calm Rasheed down. Seriously, all that needs to happen with Rasheed Wallace is for him to CALM DOWN, to stop this whole Public Enemy #1 business. He's a good guy, he's got a good personality, he plays hard--I mean, he SHOULD be a sympathetic figure, he SHOULD become the kind of guy that GETS the calls. As soon as he calms down, as soon as the calls start going HIS way, in his FAVOR--I mean, seriously, why can't this guy be one of the top five players in the league? Why can't he be an MVP candidate? He's still a kid--what is he, 27? 28? You KNOW?
Jesus Roby...you need to start posting here more...it took me close to a half an hour to read that. Very good post! I can answer your first question...I don't think there are too much Portland fan's here right now because the team is in a downfall. It would be appreciated if you could post here more!:D Anyway...I can't really argue with your analysis, except one thing. I beleive Erick Barkley is at least decent at best. I think Wallace is probably 28 right now. I also think that you are right about Mutombo and Outlaw. They are good players who do the little things...the rest of the post was good as well!:yes: :D
 

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Didn't geiger retire last year? back problems?
 

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Didn't geiger retire last year? back problems?
Well, I'm not sure if the dude retired or not, to be honest with you. I do know that, according to www.nbazone.net, he's still got two years left on his godawful contract.

And, even if he HAS "retired," that doesn't necessarily mean that his contract can't be included in the deal, or does it? Does anybody know how this stuff works? I have searched and searched and searched for info online as to how exactly trades work in today's NBA, and I can't find a good one. And guys like David Aldridge and Chad Ford NEVER write articles explaining this stuff--I THINK it's because THEY don't necessarily understand how this stuff works! I KNOW that Ford is pretty much completely clueless!
 

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Originally posted by tmacizgod
i like the damon to minnesota idea, but what would you get back? wally and/or nesterovic?
Uh, good LUCK trading Damon Stoudamire to Minnesota for Wally World and Radoslav Nesterovic! WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?
 

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Originally posted by robyg1974


Well, I'm not sure if the dude retired or not, to be honest with you. I do know that, according to www.nbazone.net, he's still got two years left on his godawful contract.

And, even if he HAS "retired," that doesn't necessarily mean that his contract can't be included in the deal, or does it? Does anybody know how this stuff works?
According to nba.com Geiger is no longer an active player. It's strange that he still is listed at nbazone....

There was once a guy at hoopsworld.com who knows damn near everything there is to know about the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) but when I went to see what was there tonite, they didn't have anything currently listed. I think his name is Larry ***** or something similar to that. They used to be a completely free site, but now you have to be a member to get some of the news and info. If you want, you can contact the powers that be over there and they might be able to put you in touch with him or at least give you answer. I'm not a member, but they've always been very helpful with NBA questions that I've asked. The CBA is hella confusing and could become even more so when the new one is done in a few years.

Peace.
 

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i was saying.. because damon has the max, you would have to either resign wally for the max, which he isnt worth, or include another player.
 

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