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You know we can have our cake and eat it too.
Observe : ( even though GSW "fans" would shoot it down automatically as it involves them trading their #3 pick to us )
Chicago trades: PF Marcus Fizer (12.3 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 1.6 apg in 25.8 minutes)
PG Jamal Crawford (9.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 2.4 apg in 20.9 minutes)
PG AJ Guyton (5.4 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 13.5 minutes)
SG Norm Richardson (2.7 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.1 minutes)
SG 30th Draft Pick (2.7 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.1 minutes)
Chicago receives: SG Bob Sura (10.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 3.5 apg in 22.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -19.7 ppg, -5.5 rpg, and -2.5 apg.
Orlando trades: PG Darrell Armstrong (12.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 5.5 apg in 33.3 minutes)
C Andrew DeClercq (2.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 10.4 minutes)
PF Don Reid (3.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.4 apg in 10.5 minutes)
Orlando receives: PG AJ Guyton (5.4 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 45 games)
SG Norm Richardson (2.7 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11 games)
PF Danny Fortson (11.2 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 1.6 apg in 77 games)
PG Larry Hughes (12.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 4.3 apg in 73 games)
Change in team outlook: +13.2 ppg, +7.6 rpg, and +1.6 apg.
Golden State trades: SG Bob Sura (10.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 3.5 apg in 22.8 minutes)
PF Danny Fortson (11.2 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.8 minutes)
PG Larry Hughes (12.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 4.3 apg in 28.1 minutes)
Golden State receives: PF Marcus Fizer (12.3 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 1.6 apg in 76 games)
PG Jamal Crawford (9.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 2.4 apg in 23 games)
SG 30th Draft Pick (2.7 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11 games)
PG Darrell Armstrong (12.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 5.5 apg in 82 games)
C Andrew DeClercq (2.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 61 games)
PF Don Reid (3.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.4 apg in 68 games)
Change in team outlook: +6.5 ppg, -2.1 rpg, and +0.9 apg.
TRADE ACCEPTED
Due to Chicago, Orlando, and Golden State being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Chicago, Orlando, and Golden State had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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You have been assigned Trade ID number 614771
WHY FOR ORLANDO
It is assumed for the sake of the exercise that Grant Hill comes back healthy , and that between he and Tracey McGrady , they do the majority of the play creating. Therefore , the underperforming yet talented Larry Hughes could flourish in this system where he is a third scoring option at the 1 spot where he would be matched up on both ends against the opposing point.
Orlando also gets the $4.5M a year role rebounder in Danny Fortson to hold down the PF spot. They don't need Fortson to score with a backcourt rotation of Hughes, Hudson , McGrady, Hill and Miller. Fortson becomes their "Rodman" and is a much cheaper option rather than John Gabriel deluding himself thinking that he is going to get Tim Duncan to come to town. If Steven Hunter can continue to develop his low post game and with another role big man at center to clog the defensive end , the Orlando Magic could be deadly
Fortson is also signed through the next 5 years at around $4.5m per and the maturity of his contract coincides with McGrady and Hill's.
DA is a loss but the liklihood is that he would get ditched next year ahead of 2003 free agency.
Plus they get to deal Andrew DeClerq's contract with Don Reid in lieu of Jud Buechler's , and consequently , they will still be able to clear around $5.5M of Buechler's salary in next year's free agency
WHY FOR GOLDEN STATE
OK so they deal the #3 pick to Chi , but this is all about salary cap / luxury tax maintenance - in being able to avoid it next year if BRI / escrow factors force it to kick in ( they have short term dumpers from the Magic in DA and Don Reid that they can trade by deadline to shed salary )
Other reasons :
GSW , if they did this deal, could not only avoid Luxury tax next year when Twan's extension kicks in , but could also have enough cap space cleared to be a moderate player in the rich 2003 free agency class , with total committed salaries at around $37M for 12 players - including their top 2x2nd rounders as per this mooted proposal that would give them say $10.5M to play with next summer - $6M in cap space to sign outright + $4.5 via the exception.
Damp and Foyle are offensively challenged but can board, block and defend - and provide these roles in the composition of the side. Twan may be a tweener to play the PF role but he has to commit to it and play there and he can play there in a scoring /offensive role with Damp and Foyle at the back.
Fortson is surplus and ties up close around $4.5M - $5M per for the next 5 years - which is a lot of dough to commit over term for a PF when your max player (Twan) should be manning the position
Fizer and Murphy would fight it out for the backup role or could fill starter minutes there to play a two PF line up on the forward line - although I concede that this combo would not be an exceptionally strong rebounding forward line - but as I say you have trade bait to use there down the track in either Fizer or Murphy - whoever loses the challenge.
Larry Hughes has value in the right system but unfortunately it is not in GSW's and his value is not strong right now. Larry's shot selection is poor and needs other creators getting him the ball where he is strong to score. He just wilts under running the attack and in judging his own shot when he is tryong to create it . Plus he has a marginalised position with JRich in the picture.Darrell Armstrong gives you a veteran point that you need ( Mooks does not cut it anymore ) and of course you get Jamal Crawford who ultimately with JRich and Arenas forms a potent bacckcourt. In time , all 3 , when going small could man the 1, 2, and 3 spots which would make for an intriguing combination.
Chicago eats Bobby Sura's salary for the next 2 years which gives GSW further salary cap relief and is part of the strategy in getting the GSW to around $6M in cap space by the summer of 2003
Chicago also gives up the #30 draft pick to GSW .
So effectively , GSW give up the #3 draft pick , Bob Sura , Larry Hughes and Danny Fortson and get back Jamal Crawford, Darrell Armstrong , Marcus Fizer , Andrew DeCLerq, Don Reid and the #30 draft pick .
Armstrong , Reid and DeClerq are all short termers that could be used to shed and position to out maneuver luxury tax but to also position a run into 2003 free agency with around $10.5M
WHY FOR CHICAGO
Marcus is surplus and it is not doing us any good with him sitting on the bench . We need more of a pure role guy who can play PF/C (preferably a vet ) who can work a core 3 man rotation with Tyson and Eddy.
So it really comes down to giving up Jamal and the #30 pick + eating Bobby Sura's salary of around $5M per for the next 2 years and not having any salary cap room for 2003 ...
in order for :
GSW to give us their #3 pick .
Fizer was thrown in for CAP and also for the fact that they lose Fortson + Fizer is an upgrade ( at least nominally ) over Troy Murphy - who would need to challenge for Fizer's spot.
It is no big thing eating Bobby Sura's contract for the following reasons :
This summer's free agency class is weak
We should not anticipate being a player in next summer's free agency class with the core of players we would be committed to which include Rose, Chandler, Curry, Hassell, Williams ( #2 pick ) Dunleavy (#3 pick ) Robinson , Travis Best ( I would like him resigned in this scenario ).
The only thing missing is a vet big man (maybe 2 ) to work in upfront with Tyson and Eddy -(perhaps Malik Rose and Corie Blount with our midlevel exception ) seeing as though Sura should come close to absorbing most of our space next season.
So the Bulls would look something like this :
Center : Eddy Curry
Forward :Tyson Chandler
Forward :Mike Dunleavy Jr
Guard : Jalen Rose
Guard : Jay Williams
Key Reserves :
Center : Corie Blount (FA )
Forward : Malik Rose ( FA )
Forward : Eddie Robinson
Guard : Trent Hassell
Guard : Travis Best
Center : Dalibor Bagaric
Guard : Fred Hoiberg
Injury Reserve :
Bobby Sura
Andersen Varejao - #44 draft pick
NB : If this guy is still in the draft and on the board at #44 he is A MUST HAVE . Ssshhhhh!. Keep him quiet. Please. He has every bit as much talent and promise of Hilario who is probably about a year ahead of where Andersen is right now. But he is going to be something.
It is a long shot - and psychologically a big thing for GSW to get past notwithstanding what we give up - Jamal , Marcus and #30 for #3 ( plus bailing them out on Bobby Sura ) but who knows???
Anyway this is just meant to be illustrative that we can perhaps follow our trends of the last 2 drafts and secure two high lottery picks - its just that in doing so , there is a price to pay . And is that price to pay worth keeping Jay and Mike Jr on their shared path ??
For me it would be .
Observe : ( even though GSW "fans" would shoot it down automatically as it involves them trading their #3 pick to us )
Chicago trades: PF Marcus Fizer (12.3 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 1.6 apg in 25.8 minutes)
PG Jamal Crawford (9.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 2.4 apg in 20.9 minutes)
PG AJ Guyton (5.4 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 13.5 minutes)
SG Norm Richardson (2.7 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.1 minutes)
SG 30th Draft Pick (2.7 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.1 minutes)
Chicago receives: SG Bob Sura (10.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 3.5 apg in 22.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -19.7 ppg, -5.5 rpg, and -2.5 apg.
Orlando trades: PG Darrell Armstrong (12.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 5.5 apg in 33.3 minutes)
C Andrew DeClercq (2.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 10.4 minutes)
PF Don Reid (3.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.4 apg in 10.5 minutes)
Orlando receives: PG AJ Guyton (5.4 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 1.8 apg in 45 games)
SG Norm Richardson (2.7 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11 games)
PF Danny Fortson (11.2 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 1.6 apg in 77 games)
PG Larry Hughes (12.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 4.3 apg in 73 games)
Change in team outlook: +13.2 ppg, +7.6 rpg, and +1.6 apg.
Golden State trades: SG Bob Sura (10.0 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 3.5 apg in 22.8 minutes)
PF Danny Fortson (11.2 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.8 minutes)
PG Larry Hughes (12.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 4.3 apg in 28.1 minutes)
Golden State receives: PF Marcus Fizer (12.3 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 1.6 apg in 76 games)
PG Jamal Crawford (9.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 2.4 apg in 23 games)
SG 30th Draft Pick (2.7 ppg, 0.7 rpg, 0.2 apg in 11 games)
PG Darrell Armstrong (12.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 5.5 apg in 82 games)
C Andrew DeClercq (2.7 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 0.4 apg in 61 games)
PF Don Reid (3.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.4 apg in 68 games)
Change in team outlook: +6.5 ppg, -2.1 rpg, and +0.9 apg.
TRADE ACCEPTED
Due to Chicago, Orlando, and Golden State being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Chicago, Orlando, and Golden State had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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You have been assigned Trade ID number 614771
WHY FOR ORLANDO
It is assumed for the sake of the exercise that Grant Hill comes back healthy , and that between he and Tracey McGrady , they do the majority of the play creating. Therefore , the underperforming yet talented Larry Hughes could flourish in this system where he is a third scoring option at the 1 spot where he would be matched up on both ends against the opposing point.
Orlando also gets the $4.5M a year role rebounder in Danny Fortson to hold down the PF spot. They don't need Fortson to score with a backcourt rotation of Hughes, Hudson , McGrady, Hill and Miller. Fortson becomes their "Rodman" and is a much cheaper option rather than John Gabriel deluding himself thinking that he is going to get Tim Duncan to come to town. If Steven Hunter can continue to develop his low post game and with another role big man at center to clog the defensive end , the Orlando Magic could be deadly
Fortson is also signed through the next 5 years at around $4.5m per and the maturity of his contract coincides with McGrady and Hill's.
DA is a loss but the liklihood is that he would get ditched next year ahead of 2003 free agency.
Plus they get to deal Andrew DeClerq's contract with Don Reid in lieu of Jud Buechler's , and consequently , they will still be able to clear around $5.5M of Buechler's salary in next year's free agency
WHY FOR GOLDEN STATE
OK so they deal the #3 pick to Chi , but this is all about salary cap / luxury tax maintenance - in being able to avoid it next year if BRI / escrow factors force it to kick in ( they have short term dumpers from the Magic in DA and Don Reid that they can trade by deadline to shed salary )
Other reasons :
GSW , if they did this deal, could not only avoid Luxury tax next year when Twan's extension kicks in , but could also have enough cap space cleared to be a moderate player in the rich 2003 free agency class , with total committed salaries at around $37M for 12 players - including their top 2x2nd rounders as per this mooted proposal that would give them say $10.5M to play with next summer - $6M in cap space to sign outright + $4.5 via the exception.
Damp and Foyle are offensively challenged but can board, block and defend - and provide these roles in the composition of the side. Twan may be a tweener to play the PF role but he has to commit to it and play there and he can play there in a scoring /offensive role with Damp and Foyle at the back.
Fortson is surplus and ties up close around $4.5M - $5M per for the next 5 years - which is a lot of dough to commit over term for a PF when your max player (Twan) should be manning the position
Fizer and Murphy would fight it out for the backup role or could fill starter minutes there to play a two PF line up on the forward line - although I concede that this combo would not be an exceptionally strong rebounding forward line - but as I say you have trade bait to use there down the track in either Fizer or Murphy - whoever loses the challenge.
Larry Hughes has value in the right system but unfortunately it is not in GSW's and his value is not strong right now. Larry's shot selection is poor and needs other creators getting him the ball where he is strong to score. He just wilts under running the attack and in judging his own shot when he is tryong to create it . Plus he has a marginalised position with JRich in the picture.Darrell Armstrong gives you a veteran point that you need ( Mooks does not cut it anymore ) and of course you get Jamal Crawford who ultimately with JRich and Arenas forms a potent bacckcourt. In time , all 3 , when going small could man the 1, 2, and 3 spots which would make for an intriguing combination.
Chicago eats Bobby Sura's salary for the next 2 years which gives GSW further salary cap relief and is part of the strategy in getting the GSW to around $6M in cap space by the summer of 2003
Chicago also gives up the #30 draft pick to GSW .
So effectively , GSW give up the #3 draft pick , Bob Sura , Larry Hughes and Danny Fortson and get back Jamal Crawford, Darrell Armstrong , Marcus Fizer , Andrew DeCLerq, Don Reid and the #30 draft pick .
Armstrong , Reid and DeClerq are all short termers that could be used to shed and position to out maneuver luxury tax but to also position a run into 2003 free agency with around $10.5M
WHY FOR CHICAGO
Marcus is surplus and it is not doing us any good with him sitting on the bench . We need more of a pure role guy who can play PF/C (preferably a vet ) who can work a core 3 man rotation with Tyson and Eddy.
So it really comes down to giving up Jamal and the #30 pick + eating Bobby Sura's salary of around $5M per for the next 2 years and not having any salary cap room for 2003 ...
in order for :
GSW to give us their #3 pick .
Fizer was thrown in for CAP and also for the fact that they lose Fortson + Fizer is an upgrade ( at least nominally ) over Troy Murphy - who would need to challenge for Fizer's spot.
It is no big thing eating Bobby Sura's contract for the following reasons :
This summer's free agency class is weak
We should not anticipate being a player in next summer's free agency class with the core of players we would be committed to which include Rose, Chandler, Curry, Hassell, Williams ( #2 pick ) Dunleavy (#3 pick ) Robinson , Travis Best ( I would like him resigned in this scenario ).
The only thing missing is a vet big man (maybe 2 ) to work in upfront with Tyson and Eddy -(perhaps Malik Rose and Corie Blount with our midlevel exception ) seeing as though Sura should come close to absorbing most of our space next season.
So the Bulls would look something like this :
Center : Eddy Curry
Forward :Tyson Chandler
Forward :Mike Dunleavy Jr
Guard : Jalen Rose
Guard : Jay Williams
Key Reserves :
Center : Corie Blount (FA )
Forward : Malik Rose ( FA )
Forward : Eddie Robinson
Guard : Trent Hassell
Guard : Travis Best
Center : Dalibor Bagaric
Guard : Fred Hoiberg
Injury Reserve :
Bobby Sura
Andersen Varejao - #44 draft pick
NB : If this guy is still in the draft and on the board at #44 he is A MUST HAVE . Ssshhhhh!. Keep him quiet. Please. He has every bit as much talent and promise of Hilario who is probably about a year ahead of where Andersen is right now. But he is going to be something.
It is a long shot - and psychologically a big thing for GSW to get past notwithstanding what we give up - Jamal , Marcus and #30 for #3 ( plus bailing them out on Bobby Sura ) but who knows???
Anyway this is just meant to be illustrative that we can perhaps follow our trends of the last 2 drafts and secure two high lottery picks - its just that in doing so , there is a price to pay . And is that price to pay worth keeping Jay and Mike Jr on their shared path ??
For me it would be .