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Would you trade Andre for #2 pick (Chicago)?

Would you trade him for the #3 pick (GS)?

Putting aside any salary cap restrictions... would you want more than the #2 or #3 for Andre (like GS's #3 and a player for Andre?)

Just curious as to where people put Miller's value at.
 

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I think the number two is worth more than Andre Miller! Sure, he's becoming a very good point guard. But, the Bulls are just going to like Jay Williams more than Andre Miller.

The number three, however, might not be enough for 'Dre. Maybe the number three and Larry Hughes (my favorite player)? Then I'd be a huge Cavs fan! Hughes obviously would be a sign-and-trade. Dajuan Wagner would be a great addition to this team. In my opinion, he's going to be one of the best NBA players ever; those of you from NBADraft.net know my feelings on him. But the addition of a swing player and a power forward in this draft would be great.
 

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so you are saying

hey CHL, how ya doin'....

So you are saying that the #2 is worth MORE than Andre

But the #3 is worth LESS than Andre....

is this because of the player available at the #2 (J Williams)?

And as for Larry Hughes... how would he look in New Jersey? I think he'd be better than Kerry Kittles.
 

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Jay Williams, you gotta be kidding me!

First. Remember who else Jay Will had on his team in college. Jay will is overated he was a scorer in college his driving and dishing skill's weren't really that great, especially for the players he had around him. He choked two times in the final seconds of Dukes games in his senior season. Indiana in the NCAA's and Virginia. Both of which he failed to hit one free throw to tie either game. Jay Williams best attribute is that he is far better outside shooter than any other point gaurd in this draft. He has a great ability to shoot the deep three. Williams lacks great quickness and has the shown he is a risk in the turnover department.

Andre has proven himself against NBA competition and shown that with a very poor team around him that he is one of the top 3 point gaurds in the leage. Miller can use his size to post up smaller gaurds and can score at will in the post against any regular gaurds (which teams started using 2g's to defend him later in the season). Dre has a great handle (great ***/turn ratio)
and the ability to make plays by driving and using his strength to take the ball to the hole.

Jay Williams may end up being a great starting pg in the nba but he has yet to show that. My likely comparison is a young Avery Johnson.

I'm in favor of keeping miller even if it takes the max.
Let me ask you a question. No offense to steve nash, but do you think Dallas whishes they still had Jason Kidd? Kidd wasn't considered a leader in his first two years, in fact he was considered a detriment to the team at times. Miller's main knock from people is he isn't the leader people want him to be, he's a winner give him time and he'll grow into that role.
 

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no

I think Dall is very happy with Nash's style of play. I like both Nash and Kidd, but you asked about Dallas. I think the system/teammates make the player, and Kidd has the perfect spot for himself. I think Nash is in a good spot. Larry Hughes is in a bad spot. Brian Grant is in a bad spot. Andre Miller is in a good spot, and the Cavs SHOULD give him the max.
 

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The system argument is a valid one, but I would argue that it is more important to structure a system around strengths and weaknesses of your players or at least I believe that is what a good coach can do. As an organization your front office and your coach have to be on the same page. You can have the best system but if you dont' have the right players that fit into that system then it is worthless. You can have the best players but if you don't have the right system then your players are worthless. This is why I am for keeping miller. We've had a vision believe it or not and that is a half court offense that has a strong inside presence, outside shooting, and a point gaurd that can penetrate. Miller is the pg, person is the outside shooting, and Z when healthy is that inside presence (Diop who'm I like, is our presence of the future and we MUST stick with him). This is the same formula the lakers have used. The Front Office's job is to bring in the best players and the coaches job is to implement the best system to accomodate those players.

As for Hughes in my opinion his problem is that he's never really found a true position in the NBA. They tried him at the shooting gaurd position and for whatever reason things really never worked out. In Golden State the brought him in and tried to convert him to a point gaurd and that didn't work. There is no doubt that Hughes is a tallent, but whether he will find a system and a position to fit his needs is a question that has yet to be answered. My feelings are that we've had enough question marks on this team in the past few years we don't need another.
That is my feeling on hughes. Sorry for the long post.
 
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