I think AD was more athletic than Shelden back in the day.
I'm telling you all, Shelden has what Antonio had when he was young
Not only size but power. Eddy for example had size, so much so that he's probably equally as powerful as Davis. Tyson on the other hand has the type of explosion that if you put 25 lbs. on him, he'd have power too. But Shelden, for all of his supposed shortcomings or lack of something "special" has size and explosion. Maybe this is a time where if Shelden is available a couple picks ahead of where we pick we will use a second rounder or two to trade up. Of the guys we draft I'd like to see at least one of them contribute right away.
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Well yeah, again. And you have to repeat this all the time. I realize when you liken someone to someone else you aren't say "yeah they share all traits in common." But they both have explosion. Is Shelden as explosive as Davis? No, but I'm pretty sure he's a bit bigger as well. Does Shelden have more power than any big currently on our team? By far.
Shelden has power and skill, but if you are in constant foul trouble, as I fear Shedlen may be because of his size and poor man to man defense, it's not gonna help. I love watching him and think he is a gamer, but I'm gonna wait until the draft camp to see his measurements.
If we are in the 15-20 range and he's there (and others aren't like Brandon Roy, Aaron Gray - who is a true center) I agree with you. It's really gonna come down to whio we grab first and who is left when our pick comes up. You know Shelden will bust his butt, still, is that enough.
If he comes in at 6'8", then he drops even further.
To me, he's like Morrison. Very good college player, with the ability to dominate on the college level. However, huge questions marks about how his game will transfer to the NBA game.
If we are in the 15-20 range and he's there (and others aren't like Brandon Roy, Aaron Gray - who is a true center) I agree with you. It's really gonna come down to whio we grab first and who is left when our pick comes up. You know Shelden will bust his butt, still, is that enough.
If he comes in at 6'8", then he drops even further.
To me, he's like Morrison. Very good college player, with the ability to dominate on the college level. However, huge questions marks about how his game will transfer to the NBA game.
I agree.TripleDouble said:I think AD was more athletic than Shelden back in the day.
But I would be happy with him with the Bulls' pick and Bargnani with the Knicks pick.
:gopray:
The guy has developed his mid-range shot; he's a beast down low; and his timing on blocked shots is impeccable.
Some questions marks, but "huge question marks" is inaccurate. You all know this - any kid half decent hasn't peaked by his senior year. His mid-range game will improve, his footspeed (which has improved since he's been at Duke) will improve, and as a result, his overall game will improve. Taking him late in the lottery is a given.
Some questions marks, but "huge question marks" is inaccurate. You all know this - any kid half decent hasn't peaked by his senior year. His mid-range game will improve, his footspeed (which has improved since he's been at Duke) will improve, and as a result, his overall game will improve. Taking him late in the lottery is a given.
He is sooo on steroids.
I wouldn't mind him, though I have really hated (non personal) him these last couple of years. Though I also disliked Ben in college
I wouldn't mind him, though I have really hated (non personal) him these last couple of years. Though I also disliked Ben in college
Brian Skinner and Etan Thomas also have power and explosion. Those two attributes are not enough.Pippenatorade said:Not only size but power. Eddy for example had size, so much so that he's probably equally as powerful as Davis. Tyson on the other hand has the type of explosion that if you put 25 lbs. on him, he'd have power too. But Shelden, for all of his supposed shortcomings or lack of something "special" has size and explosion. Maybe this is a time where if Shelden is available a couple picks ahead of where we pick we will use a second rounder or two to trade up. Of the guys we draft I'd like to see at least one of them contribute right away.
I think the Bulls would be pretty lucky if he was still around when their pick comes around.I doubt that he will be there.If you want huge questions then look around your club and you'll see Tyson Chandler.If you have two eyes then you shouldn't have many questions about SHelden's game
Diable said:I think the Bulls would be pretty lucky if he was still around when their pick comes around.I doubt that he will be there.If you want huge questions then look around your club and you'll see Tyson Chandler.If you have two eyes then you shouldn't have many questions about SHelden's game
Diable,
you can look at our entire team and it's made of question marks.
Back on Shelden. His man defense (like most college guys) is horrible. He can get dominated by bigger and physical guys. He looks short. His physicalness is great in college and overpowers and intimidates most. In the NBA, he's on the bench with foul trouble. His shot is streakier than our guards and he's shooting from 10 feet in.
I think we'll see him there in the 15-20 range (depending on what underclassmen declare).
Shelden hasn't fouled out once this season and he's only been in foul trouble two or three times in 35 games against the #1 strength of schedeule in NCAA basketball.You are spewing stuff that makes no sense.I hope Shelden goes somewhere else though.It's clear that Bulls fans don't appreciate defense,rebounding,passing and scoring.They seem to repeat things they read on bulletin boards rather than analyzing the game.
Shelden's supposed trouble this year result from the fact that Duke is number 1 in the nation defending against the 3pt field goal and he's gone one on one against every single post man that Duke has played.If you watched the games without bias you'd know that he's done a great job on defense this season and that he's a tremendous one on one defender.
Shelden's supposed trouble this year result from the fact that Duke is number 1 in the nation defending against the 3pt field goal and he's gone one on one against every single post man that Duke has played.If you watched the games without bias you'd know that he's done a great job on defense this season and that he's a tremendous one on one defender.
I think he may even be a shade under 6'8''. In all the shots of he and Reddick standing next to each other he looks to have about 4 inches on him max.chifaninca said:Shelden has power and skill, but if you are in constant foul trouble, as I fear Shedlen may be because of his size and poor man to man defense, it's not gonna help. I love watching him and think he is a gamer, but I'm gonna wait until the draft camp to see his measurements.
If we are in the 15-20 range and he's there (and others aren't like Brandon Roy, Aaron Gray - who is a true center) I agree with you. It's really gonna come down to whio we grab first and who is left when our pick comes up. You know Shelden will bust his butt, still, is that enough.
If he comes in at 6'8", then he drops even further.
To me, he's like Morrison. Very good college player, with the ability to dominate on the college level. However, huge questions marks about how his game will transfer to the NBA game.
That's pretty much how I feel. I have questions about his NBA potential, but it's practically a given that he develops into a decent enough pro. He definitely won't be one of those 1st rounders who drops out of the league in 3 years. Worst case scenario, he becomes the next Etan Thomas...a serviceable hustle big man who likes to bang.TM said:The guy has developed his mid-range shot; he's a beast down low; and his timing on blocked shots is impeccable.
Some questions marks, but "huge question marks" is inaccurate. You all know this - any kid half decent hasn't peaked by his senior year. His mid-range game will improve, his footspeed (which has improved since he's been at Duke) will improve, and as a result, his overall game will improve. Taking him late in the lottery is a given.
Where is this foul trouble theory coming from? He averages 33 minutes a game, and every team he plays tries to get him in foul trouble. He doesn't pick up very many cheap fouls, which is always the concern with a defensive minded big man. And until recently (as McRoberts has asserted himself), Duke has relied solely on his defense in the post (last year 6'5" Melchionni and 6'3" Nelson got significant minutes at power forward).chifaninca said:Diable,
you can look at our entire team and it's made of question marks.
Back on Shelden. His man defense (like most college guys) is horrible. He can get dominated by bigger and physical guys. He looks short. His physicalness is great in college and overpowers and intimidates most. In the NBA, he's on the bench with foul trouble. His shot is streakier than our guards and he's shooting from 10 feet in.
I think we'll see him there in the 15-20 range (depending on what underclassmen declare).
I'm curious. Who do people think will ultimately be the better pro - Sean May or Shelden Williams?
I wasn't referring to "current foul troubles" in the College game. In the college game he is an undeniable stud. In fact, I like him alot. I think if he's there and we're drafting with our pick around 16 take him. He's not who I would take top 5.
There's a lot to like about him when you look at his shot blocking, rebounding, improving shot, FT ability, great hustle player and wonderful jib.
The comment about foul trouble refers to guys like him who just flat out dominate other college guys because they are bigger, stronger and much better coached. Put him on Wisconsin and does he get the same results and calls? Now, put him the NBA, banging against PF's throughout the league who are as strong, taller, and playing on "more respected" teams (i.e. - get calls cause it's the Spurs). Short of Elton Brand, not many undersized guys excel in the NBA.
If we are convinced that Chandler can give us 25 minutes of Center play, then Sheldon at the PF spot isn't a bad call. I just also believe that we are going to get Harrington, Gooden or someone else who will be manning the starting PF spot and playing 30-36 minutes at PF a night.
There's a lot to like about him when you look at his shot blocking, rebounding, improving shot, FT ability, great hustle player and wonderful jib.
The comment about foul trouble refers to guys like him who just flat out dominate other college guys because they are bigger, stronger and much better coached. Put him on Wisconsin and does he get the same results and calls? Now, put him the NBA, banging against PF's throughout the league who are as strong, taller, and playing on "more respected" teams (i.e. - get calls cause it's the Spurs). Short of Elton Brand, not many undersized guys excel in the NBA.
If we are convinced that Chandler can give us 25 minutes of Center play, then Sheldon at the PF spot isn't a bad call. I just also believe that we are going to get Harrington, Gooden or someone else who will be manning the starting PF spot and playing 30-36 minutes at PF a night.
I think Williams will be between "solid" and "better than AD's carrer". If he tested and measured out well, he is gonna go top-5 IMHO,
Not enough for what? To be as good as Antonio Davis? To play the role that AD played for us last year? Who in this thread advocated taking him with the Knicks pick or said he was going to be a team leader or an All Star?TripleDouble said:Brian Skinner and Etan Thomas also have power and explosion. Those two attributes are not enough.
LOL no crap. I think if you told Shelden "hey man, just don't even worry about one whole SIDE of the court, and just grab rebounds and play help defense," that he could grab 9.2 friggin rebounds a game, get in foul trouble, and miss point blank shots like he's 6'8" with no ability.Diable said:I think the Bulls would be pretty lucky if he was still around when their pick comes around.I doubt that he will be there.If you want huge questions then look around your club and you'll see Tyson Chandler.If you have two eyes then you shouldn't have many questions about SHelden's game
I'll take Shelden all day. He's a full on mesomorph, where as May's build is naturally prone to being pudgy. I say Williams and I HATE Duke and love UNC.jbulls said:I'm curious. Who do people think will ultimately be the better pro - Sean May or Shelden Williams?
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