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-Point Guard-
1. Jason Kidd Nets 14.7ppg 7.3rpg 9.9apg 2.13spg
2. Gary Payton Sonics 22.1ppg 4.8rpg 9apg 1.6spg
3. Steve Francis Rockets 21.6ppg 7rpg 6.4apg 1.25spg
4. Stephon Marbury Suns 20.4ppg 3.2rpg 8.1apg
5. Andre Miller Cavaliers 16.5ppg 4.7rpg 10.9apg 1.56spg
6. Baron Davis Hornets 18.1ppg 4.3rpg 8.5apg 2.1spg
7. Steve Nash Mavericks 17.9ppg 3.1rpg 7.7apg
8. Mike Bibby Kings 13.7ppg 2.8rpg 5apg 1.09spg
9. John Stockton Jazz 13.4ppg 3.2rpg 8.2apg 1.85spg
10. Sam Cassell Bucks 19.7ppg 4.2rpg 6.7apg 1.22spg

--Shooting Guard--
1. Kobe Bryant Lakers 25.2ppg 5.5rpg 5.5apg 1.48spg
2. Tracy McGrady Magic 25.6ppg 7.9rpg 5.3apg 1.57spg
3. Allen Iverson Sixers 31.4ppg 4.5rpg 5.5apg 2.8spg
4. Vince Carter Raptors 24.7ppg 5.2rpg 4apg 1.57spg
5. Ray Allen Bucks 21.8ppg 4.5rpg 1.28spg
6. Cuttino Mobley Rockets 21.7ppg 4.1rpg 1.47spg
7. Michael Finley Mavericks 20.6ppg 5.2rpg
8. Jerry Stackhouse Pistons 21.4ppg 4.1rpg 5.3apg 1.01spg
9. Richard Hamilton Wizards 20ppg 3.4rpg
10. Allan Houston Knicks 20.4ppg 3.3rpg

---Small Forwards---
1. Kevin Garnett Timberwolves 21.2ppg 12.1rpg 5.2apg 1.19spg 1.56bpg
2. Paul Pierce Celtics 26.1ppg 6.9rpg 1.88spg 1.05bpg
3. Dirk Nowitzki Mavericks 23.4ppg 9.9rpg 1.09spg 1.01bpg
4. Shawn Marion Suns 19.1ppg 9.9rpg 1.84spg 1.06bpg
5. Jalen Rose Bulls 23.8ppg 4.1rpg 5.3apg 1.1spg
6. Michael Jordan Wizards 22.9ppg 5.7rpg 5.2apg 1.42spg
7. Predrag Stojakovic Kings 21.2ppg 5.3rpg 1.14spg
8. Antawn Jamison Warriors 19.7ppg 6.8rpg
9. Latrell Sprewell Knicks 19.4ppg 1.64spg
10. Lamar Odom Clippers 13.1ppg 6.1rpg 5.9apg 1.24bpg

----Power Forwards----
1. Tim Duncan Spurs 25.5ppg 12.7rpg 2.48bpg
2. Chris Webber Kings 24.5ppg 10.1rpg 1.67spg 1.41bpg
3. Rasheed Wallace Blazers 19.3ppg 8.2rpg 1.28spg 1.28bpg
4. Jermaine O’Neal Pacers 19ppg 10.5rpg 2.31bpg
5. Elton Brand Clippers 18.2ppg 11.6rpg 1spg 2.04bpg
6. Karl Malone Jazz 22.4ppg 8.6rpg 4.3apg 1.9spg
7. Antoine Walker Celtics 22.1ppg 8.8rpg 5apg 1.51spg
8. Shareef Abdur-Rahim Hawks 21.2ppg 9rpg 1.27spg 1.05bpg
9. Pau Gasol Grizzlies 17.6ppg 8.9rpg 2.06bpg
10. Danny Fortson Warriors 11.2ppg 11.7rpg

-----Centers-----
1. Shaquille O’Neal Lakers 27.2ppg 10.7rpg 2.04bpg
2. Dikembe Mutombo Sixers 11.5ppg 10.8rpg 2.38bpg
3. Ben Wallace 7.6ppg 13rpg 1.73spg 3.48bpg
4. Alonzo Mourning Heat 15.7ppg 8.4rpg 2.48bpg
5. Michael Olowokandi Clippers 11.1ppg 8.9rpg 1.81bpg
6. Vlade Divac Kings 11.1ppg 8.4ppg 1.18bpg
7. Dale Davis Blazers 9.5ppg 8.8rpg 1.06bpg
8. Brad Miller Pacers 12.7ppg 8.4rpg 1.08spg
9. David Robinson Spurs 12.2ppg 8.3rpg 1.1spg 1.79bpg
10. Raef Lafrentz Mavericks 14.9ppg 7.4rpg 3bpg
 

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Top 10 PG's

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1. Jason Kidd

He is definately the best PG in the league and at 6'4" he has great size. That is what makes him a triple-double threat every night. He could probably lead ANY team in the entire league to the playoffs. He is that good. He can dominate a game without scoring a point...

2. Baron Davis

I know some of you may be saying, "what about Payton?", well Baron Davis is better. Davis really stepped it up this year and did it when his team needed him. Just like Kidd, Davis is a triple-double threat, as he showed in the playoffs. This kid is ready to explode and could end up taking that #1 slot. Great rebounder for his height...

3. Gary Payton

See you guys, he didn't fall far. Gary Payton may be getting older, but he is still a great player. He took a young team in Seattle into the playoffs, which will be valuable to them down the road. He is still capable of taking over a game with his scoring and he has at least 3-5 good years left...

4. Andre Miller

Some people say he is overrated and I say they are crazy. This man can play and he leads the league in assists. He is what a PG is supposed to be. His shooting needs to improve, but he is still fairly young and he has a chance to make a jump on this list...

5. Steve Francis

Mr. Headache is still a great player. Look at those rebound totals! That is what b-ball is all about. He should be an inspiration to all the small guys that get boxed out. Francis definately has a multi-dimensional game. Look for him to lead the Rockets into the playoffs next year...

6. Stephon Marbury

Everyone likes to pick on this guy and call him selfish, but the fact is, he gets the job done. He probably has some of the best handles in the game and is great and dishing to teammates. He isn't Jason Kidd, but who is? Stephon is the better shooter of the two...

7. Steve Nash

IMO, he is a product of the run-n'-gun system he is in. He is in a PG friendly offense and he has taken advantage of the situation. He is probably the best shooting PG in the league and is a great disher to boot. He needs to improve his leadership skills and become that floor general that the Mavs need. He can't just settle for 3's...

8. Mike Bibby

This guy probably should be higher. Sure his numbers were low, but he didn't need to score much in Sacto during the regular season. He proved to be the real leader out West and the only player man enough to take and make a clutch shot in the WCF. He is only going to get better with age. He has a good stroke and is very quick off the dribble...

9. Sam Cassell

E.T. is still going strong. IMO, he is the real leader of that team and if they are going to trade anyone, it shouldn't be Sam. This guy is a master at the mid-range game and he creates for that garbage they call a front-court. Sam is very underrated IMO and he is always snubbed come all-star time. It's a shame...

10. John Stockton

It is really amazing that John is still doing his thing. Stockton to Malone is slowing down, but John is still a top 10 PG in this league. He is always money in the clutch and is a great defender. He is second to none when it comes to creating for his teammates...
 

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I'd probably rate Nash a little higher as PG and drop Marbury despite the numbers. I think there is no question that Nash runs his team a lot better than Marbury runs his.

Cassell has impressive numbers too, but everyone can see he takes ill-advised shots.

Kobe over T-Mac??? Hey, I suppose it's your list. On mine, they'd switch places.

Quite a drop off from Shaq to the rest of the centres, isn't it?
 

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You and I pretty much agree on the top players in the league.

Top 10 Players at each position
PG
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1. Jason Kidd
2. Gary Payton
3. Steve Francis
4. Baron Davis
5. Andre Miller
6. Steve Nash
7. Stephon Marbury
8. John Stockton (He's still a great shooter and passer)
9. Mike Bibby (Once he has a great regular season, he'll be top 5)
10. Damon Stoudamire

SG
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1. Kobe Bryant
2. Allen Iverson
3. Tracy McGrady/ Vince Carter
4. Paul Pierce
5. Ray Allen
6. Jerry Stackhouse
7. Michael Finley
8. Reggie Miller
9. Richard Hamilton
10. Cuttino Mobley

SF
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1. Michael Jordan
2. Glenn Robinson/ Peja Stojackovic
3. Kenyon Martin (because of his size, I put him as a SF)
4. Wally Szczerbiak
5. Latrell Sprewell
6. Scottie Pippen
7. Jamal Mashburn
8. Shawn Marion
9. Lamar Odom
10. Hedo Turkoglu

PF
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1. Tim Duncan/ Chris Webber
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Rasheed Wallace/ Antoine Walker
4. Dirk Nowitzki
5. Elton Brand
6. Karl Malone
7. Jermaine O'Neal
8. Shareef Abur-Raheem
9. Antonio McDyess
10. Pau Gasol

C
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1. Shaquille O'Neal
2. Ben Wallace
3. Dikembe Mutombo
4. Michael Olowakandi (had great end of last year, 17ppg, 9rpg)
5. Antonio Davis
6. Alonzo Mourning (once back to full health - he'll be top 3)
7. Vlade "Floppy" Divac
8. Keon Clark (I don't care what people say, he kicks ***!)
9. David Robinson/ Raef LaFrentz
10.Tyson Chandler (I watched this kid play, his numbers may not have shown it, but he's a great player, and will prove it soon)
 

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Re: Wowsa

Originally posted by Mr. X
You and I pretty much agree on the top players in the league.

Top 10 Players at each position
PG
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1. Jason Kidd
2. Gary Payton
3. Steve Francis
4. Baron Davis
5. Andre Miller
6. Steve Nash
7. Stephon Marbury
8. John Stockton (He's still a great shooter and passer)
9. Mike Bibby (Once he has a great regular season, he'll be top 5)
10. Damon Stoudamire

SG
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1. Kobe Bryant
2. Allen Iverson
3. Tracy McGrady/ Vince Carter
4. Paul Pierce
5. Ray Allen
6. Jerry Stackhouse
7. Michael Finley
8. Reggie Miller
9. Richard Hamilton
10. Cuttino Mobley

SF
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1. Michael Jordan
2. Glenn Robinson/ Peja Stojackovic
3. Kenyon Martin (because of his size, I put him as a SF)
4. Wally Szczerbiak
5. Latrell Sprewell
6. Scottie Pippen
7. Jamal Mashburn
8. Shawn Marion
9. Lamar Odom
10. Hedo Turkoglu

PF
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1. Tim Duncan/ Chris Webber
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Rasheed Wallace/ Antoine Walker
4. Dirk Nowitzki
5. Elton Brand
6. Karl Malone
7. Jermaine O'Neal
8. Shareef Abur-Raheem
9. Antonio McDyess
10. Pau Gasol

C
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1. Shaquille O'Neal
2. Ben Wallace
3. Dikembe Mutombo
4. Michael Olowakandi (had great end of last year, 17ppg, 9rpg)
5. Antonio Davis
6. Alonzo Mourning (once back to full health - he'll be top 3)
7. Vlade "Floppy" Divac
8. Keon Clark (I don't care what people say, he kicks ***!)
9. David Robinson/ Raef LaFrentz
10.Tyson Chandler (I watched this kid play, his numbers may not have shown it, but he's a great player, and will prove it soon)
lmao ur SF is all jacked up Marion has to be top 5
 

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Until Marion can create his own shot on a consistent basis, I don't think he belongs in the top 5.......
 

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For point guards I think you're ranking Dre Miller way too low. He's top 3 at least IMO.

ALLAN HOUSTON?!?!?! TOP 10 SG?!?!?

That's why you DONT use stats all the time. Houston is a one-dimentional player. He's a shooter, not a scorer, not a defender, not anything. JUST A SHOOTER.

He's not even the best 2 on his team!

And what about Eddie Jones? Bonzi Wells? Don't always use stats. IMO Spree, Wells and Jones are all top 10.

Antawn Jamison is NOT a top 10 SF. He's not even a small forward! He should be playing the 4 anyway, that's where he averaged 24.9 points a game!

I'd personally place MJ ahead of Rose. Like I said, DON'T USE STATS TO DECIDE!!! Stats don't always tell the story. Rose wasn't averaging near what he did for the Bulls when he was on the Pacers, a playoff team.

And Sprewell is a shooting guard. He's playing out of position because Houston can't play the 3.

Now Danny Fortson DEFINATELY does NOT belong on the top 10 pf list. All he does is camp and rebound! What about Antonio Daivs? Hell Marcus Camby is better than Fortson!

Now for the centers. Again, WHERE IS ANTONIO DAVIS?!?!?! ELDEN CAMPBELL?!?! Hell even Jamaal Magloire?

David Robinson isn't even a top 10 center anymore IMO. He played like crap last year. Also Kandi Man is ranked far too high.

DON'T USE STATS MY FRIEND!!!
 

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About Rose, his minutes went up, so of course his stats are going to get better. IMO, it had nothing to do with him not being on a playoff team. For example, Brad Miller actually scored more points with the Pacers than with the Bulls.
 

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Here are my top 10 by position

Point Guard:
1. Jason Kidd
2. Gary Payton
3. John Stockton
4. Baron Davis
5. Steve Nash
6. Nick Van Exel
7. Stephon Marbury
8. Andre Miller
9. Steve Francis
10. Eric Snow

Shooting Guard:
1. Tracy McGrady
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Allen Iverson
4. Vince Carter
5. Ray Allen
6. Brent Barry
7. Jerry Stackhouse
8. Eddie Jones
9. Jason Terry
10. Michael Finley

Small Forward:
1. Kevin Garnett
2. Paul Pierce
3. Shawn Marion
4. Predrag Stojakovic
5. Michael Jordan
6. Rashard Lewis
7. Glenn Robinson
8. Jalen Rose
9. Scottie Pippen
10. Latrell Sprewell

Power Forward
1. Tim Duncan
2. Chris Webber
3. Elton Brand
4. Karl Malone
5. Ben Wallace
6. Rasheed Wallace
7. Dirk Nowitzki
8. Antoine Walker
9. Jermaine O'Neal
10. Shareef Abdur-Rahim

Center
1. Shaquille O'Neal
2. Alonzo Mourning
3. David Robinson
4. Elden Campbell
5. Dikembe Mutombo
6. Vlade Divac
7. Todd Macculloch
8. Brad Miller
9. Antonio Davis
10. Raef Lafrentz
 

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Re: Here are my top 10 by position

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Power Forward
1. Tim Duncan
2. Chris Webber
3. Elton Brand
4. Karl Malone
5. Ben Wallace
6. Rasheed Wallace
7. Dirk Nowitzki
8. Antoine Walker
9. Jermaine O'Neal
10. Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Nowitzki shold be 2nd on that list!
 

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I left out some players

On mine I forgot Jalen Rose, and Elden Campbell, and no Marion should not be top 5.
 

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Yeah

He's the greatest. He is still the best SF, that is, if you consider Pierce to be a SG. And I consider Pierce to be a SG.:yes:
 

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What the heck...I'm bored...

Point Guard

1. Jason Kidd, New Jersey Nets
2. Gary Payton, Seattle Supersonics
3. Steve Nash, Dallas Mavericks
4. Baron Davis, New Orleans Hornets
5. Andre Miller, Cleveland Cavs
6. Michael Bibby, Sacramento Kings
7. Steve Francis, Houston Rockets
8. John Stockton, Utah Jazz
9. Stephon Marbury, Phoenix Suns
10. Sam Cassell, Milwaukee Bucks

Shooting Guard

1. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
2. Tracy McGrady, Orlando Magic
3. Allen Iverson, Philadelphia 76ers
4. Vince Carter, Toronto Raptors
5. Jerry Stackhouse, Detroit Pistons
6. Ray Allen, Milwaukee Bucks
7. Michael Finley, Dallas Mavericks
8. Bonzi Wells, Portland Trailblazers
9. Richard Hamilton, Washington Wizards
10. Reggie Miller, Indiana Pacers

Small Forward

1. Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics
2. Michael Jordan, Washington Wizards
3. Peja Stojakovic, Sacramento Kings
4. Jalen Rose, Chicago Bulls
5. Shawn Marion, Phoenix Suns
6. Glenn Robinson, Milwaukee Bucks
7. Wally Szczerbiak, Minnesota Timberwolves
8. Jamal Mashburn, New Orleans Hornets
9. Grant Hill, Orlando Magic
10. Lamar Odom, Los Angeles Clippers

Power Forward

1. Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs
2. Chris Webber, Sacramento Kings
3. Kevin Garnett, Minnesota Timberwolves
4. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks
5. Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons
6. Rasheed Wallace, Portland Trailblazers
7. Elton Brand, Los Angeles Clippers
8. Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana Pacers
9. Karl Malone, Utah Jazz
10. Antoine Walker, Boston Celtics

Center

1. Shaquille O'Neal, Los Angeles Lakers
2. Dikembe Mutombo, Philadelphia 76ers
3. Alonzo Mourning, Miami Heat
4. Antonio Davis, Toronto Raptors
5. David Robinson, San Antonio Spurs
6. Vlade Divac, Sacramento Kings
7. Elden Campbell, New Orleans Hornets
8. Brad Miller, Indiana Pacers
9. Raef Lafrentz, Dallas Mavericks
10. Michael Olowokandi, Los Angeles Clippers
 

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My list is not based solely on stats. It's my list and you might have some dissagreements but you know what???To FREAKIN' bad.
 

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Wow when you take a look at all the Centers, you'll find out that there are some that are pretty good, even though peope say that 28 teams need good Centers.
 

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pg

jkidd
baron
a miller
gp
m bibby
s nash
j stockon
starbury
s francis
rod strickland

sg

paul pierce
tmac
kobe
vince
AI
ray allen
mike finley
eddie jones
bonzi wells
stack

sf

kevin garnett
dirk
s marion
l odom
tim thomas
j mashburn
spree
mj
peja
eddie griffin(give him two yrs)

pf

tim duncan
sheed
c webb
e brand
jermaine oneal
antoine walker
a mcdyess (when healthy)
antonio davis
shareef
kurt thomas

c

shaq x 10
 
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