Artest said:
I think you just answered your own question right there...
Go PaCeRs!!!!
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You're wrong there. Worst case scenario is we extend Peja for 5 years/$70 million. Then it's five more years of the mediocre, almost Finals contending style NBA basketball us Pacer fans have grown to love so much. YEEE-HAAWWW!!!absolutebest said:
And for the record, how is Maggette a team cancer? I know he has injury problems, but when healthy, he is an equally good scorer to Peja, a head and shoulder better defender, equal rebounder, better assist guy, plus he's two years younger, and over the next three years, he's will make $7.3 mil, $7.8 mil and $8.4 mil each season, which is somewhere close to half what Peja will be making during that same time. You can't ignore salaries here. Bird and Walsh seemed to see it similarly and seemed more than happy to acquire Maggette before looking into the severity of his foot injury. From where they sit, I can see why they wouldn't wanna roll the dice on an injury of that nature (Bird saw both Walton and McHale's foot problems first hand), but they recognized the talent and even if you do prefer Peja's game, the difference is marginal.
As for Al Harrington, I'll take the 26-year-old, 6'10, athletic phenom who can play multiple positions , create a mismatch for almost any forward in this league (not to mention his own shot. How many times have I heard you guys complain that Peja doesn't get the ball at the end of games. Great players go get the ball, not wait to get it) and who is just coming into his own in averaging 18/7/3 over the past two years instead of the aging (nearly 29. He'll be 34/35 years old when we're paying him $16 or $17 mil in the final year of a max deal), best-days-behind him, 6'10 jump shooter from Europe.
Give me youth and defense. I'm pretty sure Rick Carlisle would agree.
Maybe you will get your wish and we'll send Jamaal Tinsley and Peja to Atlanta for Al and something. However, I highly doubt it. I think a trade with someone like Memphis or Charlotte is more likely.JayRedd said:You're wrong there. Worst case scenario is we extend Peja for 5 years/$70 million. Then it's five more years of the mediocre, almost Finals contending style NBA basketball us Pacer fans have grown to love so much. YEEE-HAAWWW!!!
And for the record, how is Maggette a team cancer? I know he has injury problems, but when healthy, he is an equally good scorer to Peja, a head and shoulder better defender, equal rebounder, better assist guy, plus he's two years younger, and over the next three years, he's will make $7.3 mil, $7.8 mil and $8.4 mil each season, which is somewhere close to half what Peja will be making during that same time. You can't ignore salaries here. Bird and Walsh seemed to see it similarly and seemed more than happy to acquire Maggette before looking into the severity of his foot injury. From where they sit, I can see why they wouldn't wanna roll the dice on an injury of that nature (Bird saw both Walton and McHale's foot problems first hand), but they recognized the talent and even if you do prefer Peja's game, the difference is marginal.
As for Al Harrington, I'll take the 26-year-old, 6'10, athletic phenom who can play multiple positions , create a mismatch for almost any forward in this league (not to mention his own shot. How many times have I heard you guys complain that Peja doesn't get the ball at the end of games. Great players go get the ball, not wait to get it) and who is just coming into his own in averaging 18/7/3 over the past two years instead of the aging (nearly 29. He'll be 34/35 years old when we're paying him $16 or $17 mil in the final year of a max deal), best-days-behind him, 6'10 jump shooter from Europe.
Give me youth and defense. I'm pretty sure Rick Carlisle would agree.
What do you guys think of something like Gerald Wallace and Brevin Knight for Peja and Tinsley? They would get younger (Knight is like 31), a veteran PG to back up Felton, and a star player that puts people in the seats, plus some much needed scoring. We would get a steady, pass-first PG that doesn't turn the ball over and plays great defense. Plus, we would get an ultra-athletic swingman that plays some serious defense. Get me on the phone with Bernie Bickerstaff. I know that they will want to start Felton next year, so this isn't far-fetched at all. At least to me it isn't. Thoughts?
Be real Bird won't sign Petja for mx deal he would a) do sign and trade b) let him walk but I don't see it happening.JayRedd said:You're wrong there. Worst case scenario is we extend Peja for 5 years/$70 million. Then it's five more years of the mediocre, almost Finals contending style NBA basketball us Pacer fans have grown to love so much. YEEE-HAAWWW!!!
And for the record, how is Maggette a team cancer? I know he has injury problems, but when healthy, he is an equally good scorer to Peja, a head and shoulder better defender, equal rebounder, better assist guy, plus he's two years younger, and over the next three years, he's will make $7.3 mil, $7.8 mil and $8.4 mil each season, which is somewhere close to half what Peja will be making during that same time. You can't ignore salaries here. Bird and Walsh seemed to see it similarly and seemed more than happy to acquire Maggette before looking into the severity of his foot injury. From where they sit, I can see why they wouldn't wanna roll the dice on an injury of that nature (Bird saw both Walton and McHale's foot problems first hand), but they recognized the talent and even if you do prefer Peja's game, the difference is marginal.
As for Al Harrington, I'll take the 26-year-old, 6'10, athletic phenom who can play multiple positions , create a mismatch for almost any forward in this league (not to mention his own shot. How many times have I heard you guys complain that Peja doesn't get the ball at the end of games. Great players go get the ball, not wait to get it) and who is just coming into his own in averaging 18/7/3 over the past two years instead of the aging (nearly 29. He'll be 34/35 years old when we're paying him $16 or $17 mil in the final year of a max deal), best-days-behind him, 6'10 jump shooter from Europe.
Give me youth and defense. I'm pretty sure Rick Carlisle would agree.
Al will be hore expensive than Petja. Isn't abel to guard sf well (weight, other issues) and isn't better mismach then Petja.
Maggs isn't clearly better defender is athletic freak and relies on it fully and has serious issues with injuries. He is complaining a lot. Example he has problem comeing of bench, he is claiming he is 100% fine and should start but hes shot is off and he need time to overcome stamina problems - this is Clipper reality. I agree he works hard and is really talented but he is more sselfiss (les team player/passer then Petja), he is worse rebounder and hes shot is so-so. I agree if uninjured he contract is fine but if it runs up you have to overpay him (might not be the case with Petja). I agree he might be good fit since he is super quick and superb finisher=gets to the lane a lot. I'd say hes quickness is comperable to Kobe people just don't see it since hes handle isn't that good. He is also hard worker but he does have much bigger ego and he does whine at times, also has injury problems. That means he would be bigger risk. All in all Petja has worked out fine. So whats the problem. If we get him really cheaply resign I will be really happy and I don't see him getting monster contract.
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