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I've always thought Jordan was the greatest, but I've been reading about Kareem Abdul Jabbar and people have said he deserves more recognition by being considered the greatest.
 

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OH, so no one called this a troll thread? lol Do I suspect favoritism for certain posters? I'm quite sure if a no-name poster posed this same question, he or she would quickly be labeled troll. lol

Anyway, in case the original poster is not trolling, I would like to know why would you factor in "championships?"

If we factor in championships, then doesn't that put Robert Horry in the discussion of greatest of all time?
 

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OH, so no one called this a troll thread? lol Do I suspect favoritism for certain posters? I'm quite sure if a no-name poster posed this same question, he or she would quickly be labeled troll. lol

Anyway, in case the original poster is not trolling, I would like to know why would you factor in "championships?"

If we factor in championships, then doesn't that put Robert Horry in the discussion of greatest of all time?
How could this be considered a troll thread? Tons of people smarter than
you and I would call him the greatest.


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How could this be considered a troll thread? Tons of people smarter than
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Well I question if it is a troll thread because pretty much everyone considers Michael Jordan to be the greatest of all time. For that reason alone, it makes readers question whether or not this poster is serious, or is he just trying to get a huge reaction out of die-hard Jordan fans while he sits back laughing and eating a buttery bowl of popcorn.

Anyway, I have noticed that certain posters can make threads that could be questioned as troll threads and get away with it simply because they are more popular than others. No big deal though.

Back to the question at hand. You're right! I never understood myself why Michael Jordan is greatest of all time without a thorough debate. Michael Jordan himself even considered his brother Larry Jordan to be far better than him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but even in his prime, Michael Jordan never once beat Larry Jordan in a one-on-one game.

Larry Jordan could have easily been an NBA player, but a life of basketball was simply a lifestyle he was not interested in pursuing.
 

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I also think Jordan is the greatest, but I just wanted to incite a discussion. There was no hidden agenda with this thread.
 

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-6 championships
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-most career points
-decorated college player
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I've always thought Jordan was the greatest, but I've been reading about Kareem Abdul Jabbar and people have said he deserves more recognition by being considered the greatest.
If one considers also his College career (which, IIRC, is the greatest amongst the 4, 5 players people talk about being the GOAT) then yes, he is in the discussion as the Greatest Ever.
 

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Well I question if it is a troll thread because pretty much everyone considers Michael Jordan to be the greatest of all time. For that reason alone, it makes readers question whether or not this poster is serious, or is he just trying to get a huge reaction out of die-hard Jordan fans while he sits back laughing and eating a buttery bowl of popcorn.

Anyway, I have noticed that certain posters can make threads that could be questioned as troll threads and get away with it simply because they are more popular than others. No big deal though.

Back to the question at hand. You're right! I never understood myself why Michael Jordan is greatest of all time without a thorough debate. Michael Jordan himself even considered his brother Larry Jordan to be far better than him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but even in his prime, Michael Jordan never once beat Larry Jordan in a one-on-one game.

Larry Jordan could have easily been an NBA player, but a life of basketball was simply a lifestyle he was not interested in pursuing.
thats not true at all

michael couldn't beat his brother until he had his growth spurt after that MJ always won.

and larry did pursue a career in basketball but he was 5'8 or so , he did make that league for short guys in the early 90's
"For his prize, he got to go to Mickey Owens baseball camp," Larry said. "Then, when I was 13 and Michael was 12, our Little League baseball coach got us involved on our first organized basketball team."

But the one-on-one battles continued.

"I won most of them until he started to outgrow me," said Larry, "and then that was the end of that."

Still, Larry insisted there was no resentment as his little brother soared past him.

"We played one year of varsity basketball together when I was a senior and Michael was a junior, and that's when his play just went to another level," he said. "Even though there were five guys on the floor, he pretty much played all five positions. His level of play was just so much higher than the rest of us. People ask me all the time if it bothered me, but I can honestly say no, because I had the opportunity to see him grow. I knew how hard he worked."
there is no such thing as a perfect basketball player so there is room for debate among Kareem , rusell,wilt lebron and MJ , those 5 are clearly on another level from other great players.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/columns/story?columnist=isaacson_melissa&id=4457017
 

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Jordan was obviously great on the court (best ever imo) but it was his impact on the game of basketball, the culture, nike, etc... He changed the game, popularized the game, and made the NBA what it is today. Kareem was obviously great as well but he just didnt have the impact on the game of basketball that Jordan did which that combined with this game on the court, makes MJ the greatest of all time
 

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Jordan was obviously great on the court (best ever imo) but it was his impact on the game of basketball, the culture, nike, etc... He changed the game, popularized the game, and made the NBA what it is today. Kareem was obviously great as well but he just didnt have the impact on the game of basketball that Jordan did which that combined with this game on the court, makes MJ the greatest of all time
no one had the impact that wilt had simply because they had to change some rules to deal with his dominance.

but it is worth noting they had to outlaw dunking from the college game because of kareem's arrival

and he had to wear goggles because opposing players felt the only way to stop was to poke him in the eyes.

no one ever felt the need to go that far to stop Jordan...in fact the rule were changed during his time that aided him in scoring.
 
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They didn't change the rules to stop Jordan, but teams built entire defensive philosophies around beating him up (the Pistons, among others) or chasing him around the floor.
 

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They didn't change the rules to stop Jordan, but teams built entire defensive philosophies around beating him up (the Pistons, among others) or chasing him around the floor.
while the pistons team agenda was to rough MJ up whenever he got away from dumars or rodman, jordan's era was built around lessening physical play on offensive players...while doing nothing to prevent offensive players from being rough...and jordan was easily the most physical guard of his time on offense.

most notably handchecking was outlawed in 1994 and increased penalties for flagrant fouls in 1990(with the pistons in mind obviously)

there was also using the forearm against players facing the basket in 1997, all helping jordan's and later kobe's post up game to flourish because it allowed them to be more physical with their defenders , than their defenders were allowed to be with them.

In 1999, the league eliminated contact by a defender with his hands and forearms both in the backcourt and frontcourt, except on offensive players who caught the ball below the free throw line extended. Defenses were also prohibited from "re-routing" players off the ball. This freed up perimeter players who used screens to get open. Nor were defenders able any more to grab or impede offensive players setting screens. In 2001, the defensive three-second rule eliminated defenders camping out in the lane away from their offensive man to help.
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/04/22/aldridge.defenses/
 

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If one considers also his College career (which, IIRC, is the greatest amongst the 4, 5 players people talk about being the GOAT) then yes, he is in the discussion as the Greatest Ever.
His college career is such a myth, James Worthy was the star on that NCAA championship winning team. Kareem had a far better college career, maybe it was because he was at UCLA but still that 82 team was James Worthy not MJ.

EDIT: NVM I thought you were talking about MJ.
 

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His college career is such a myth, James Worthy was the star on that NCAA championship winning team. Kareem had a far better college career, maybe it was because he was at UCLA but still that 82 team was James Worthy not MJ.
He WAS talking about Kareem.
 

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I can't say 1 is the GOAT but if there were Tiers Id have Tier AAA - Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, Shaq, Malone, Isaiah Thomas etc Tier AA - Bird, Magic, Russell Tier A - Wilt, Kareem and MJ, I would even put Russell here.

say what you will about Kareem and MJ but Wilt Chamberlain was a better scorer Kareem and IMO a better scorer than MJ, and even if not he was just as good, he had better defense than both, better rebounding, averaged 1 less assist a season than Jordan, hold something like 60 NBA records

MINUTES
Most seasons leading league: 8
Most consecutive seasons leading league: 5
Highest average per game, career: 45.8
Highest average per game, season: 48.5
COMPLETE GAMES
Most, season: 79
Most consecutive, season: 47
SCORING
Most cons. seasons leading league: *7
Most points, season: 4,029
Highest average, season: 50.4
Most points, rookie, season: 2,707
Highest average, rookie, season: 37.6
Most points, game: 100
Most points, rookie, game: 58
Most games, 50 or more, career: 118
Most games, 50 or more, season: 45
Most cons.e games, 50 or more points: 7
Most games, 40 or more, career: 271
Most games, 40 or more, season: 63
Most cons. games, 40 or more points: 14
Most cons. games, 30 or more points: 65
Most cons. games, 20 or more points: 126
Most points, one half: 59
FIELD-GOAL PERCENTAGE
Most seasons leading league: **9
Most cons. seasons leading league: 5
Highest, season (qualifiers): .727
Highest, game (min. 15 FG): ***1.000
Most field goals, no misses, game: 18
FIELD GOALS
Most cons. seasons leading league: *7
Most, season: 1,597
Most cons., no misses, season: 35
Most, game: 36
Most, one half: 22
FIELD GOAL ATTEMPTS
Most cons. seasons leading league: 7
Most, season: 3,159
Most, game: 63
Most, one half: 37
Most, one quarter: 21
FREE THROWS MADE
Most, game: 28
FREE THROW ATTEMPTS
Most seasons leading league: 9
Most cons. seasons leading league: 6
Most, season: 1,363
Most, game: 34
REBOUNDS
Most seasons leading league: 11
Most, career: 23,924
Highest average, career: 22.9
Most, season: 2,149
Most, rookie, season: 1,941
Most seasons, 1,000 or more: 13
Highest average, season: 27.2
Most, game: 55
Most, rookie, game: 45
DISQUALIFICATIONS
Lowest percentage, career: ****0.00
POINTS, PLAYOFFS
Most by rookie, game: 53
MINUTES, PLAYOFFS
Most, 3-game series: 144
Most, 4-game series: 195
Most, 6-game series: 296
FIELD GOALS, PLAYOFFS
Most, 7-game series: 113
Most made, game: 24
Most attempts, game: 28
Most attempts, half: 25
FIELD GOAL ATTEMPTS, PLAYOFFS
Most, 3-game series: 104
Highest field goal percentage (minimum, 8): 1.000*****
REBOUNDS, PLAYOFFS
Most, 5-game series: 160
Most, 6-game series: 171
Most, 7-game series: 220
Highest average, per game, series: 32.0
Most, game: 41
Most, half: 26
Most by rookie, game: 35
MINUTES, FINALS
Most, 5-game series: 240
REBOUNDS, FINALS
Most, 6-game series: 171
Most, half: 26
NOTES
*Tied with Michael Jordan
**Tied with Shaquille O'Neal
***Three times (15/15, 16/16, 18/18)
****Tied with several others, but played most games of any
*****Tied with 12 others
Updated as of 2005-06 season

1 or 2 of those may have been broken.

Talk about team players or team success all you want but as far as an individual goes Wilt takes the cake, if I was forced to vote for GOAT it would be WILT.
 
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