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Jason Richardson, anyone?

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I don't know if the Warriors would trade him, but I'm thinking that any team out of the playoffs like GS would be willing to make a deal.

I'm the biggest Ben Gordon fan and I think he's going to erupt pretty soon into that 20 ppg guy that we've all wanted. But Jason Richardson, 25 years old, is already an established NBA scorer. He's not the most injury-free guy, but he's not terrible. He's averaging a career-high 23.8 ppg along with 6 rpg and 2.9 apg. His turnovers are fairly low, around 2.05 per game, and he nabs 1.34 steals per game.

People have always talked about how inflated his steal numbers are, that he just gambles on defense but can't really stick his man. I'll admit that he's not a shut-down defender, but watching him a bit tonight, I realized that he puts out a ton of effort on defense and can keep his guy in front of him, contesting shots. He's a physical, but the smartest, defender (his teammate, Mike Dunleavy, is a smart but not physical defender).

I think he's been buried in Golden State and could come to Chicago to completely erupt as a primary scorer. He'd do so much for this team, he'd be the primary option that we don't have, the star among role players. He's also got that athletic craze to him. Paxson would like him, I think, as he comes from a solid college program (Mich State under Tom Izzo), and he generally plays with a high-jib level.

I'd be willing to part ways with Gordon, Deng and the Knicks pick for him and Ike Diogu. Those are basically our two most valuable players, but with Hinrich and Chandler still in town, we've got half our core. With our pick, we can take Splitter or Shelden, and with our cap space, we buy Al Harrington.

Hinrich/Duhon
Richardson/Brewer
Al Harrington/Nocioni
Songaila/Splitter
Chandler/Diogu/Schenscher

If we had cash left over to grab a big, like a Kelvin Cato or a Scot Pollard or Aaron Williams, I'd be happier. But we'd have a lot more balance, legitimate 22 ppg and 17 ppg guys, and we sort of consolidate our talent, use the cap space, and bring in new youth all at the same time.

Brewer growing up at the 2/3 position, Splitter growing up to take over as full-time 4, while this team would probably see a lot of Hinrich/J-Rich/Noch/Al Harrington/Chandler lineups, and gosh. I think we'd miss the defensive prowess from Deng, but Al Harrington and Nocioni are more than enough to cover that spot.

That team is talented enough, and if they are willing to be coached into top-notch defense, then THIS is a roster I'd call a contender.

Thoughts?
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How did the Bulls draft two players after trading one pick?

I haven't seen enough of Ike to get a feal for his game -- all I know is that he's another undersized PF with long arms.

I'm not real high on tearing apart the core for a perimeter player. I'd rather trade for a big and take a chance on a big guard in the draft (there are a bunch).
J-Rich has improved, but I don't see us being able to pull a J-Rich and Diogu trade in one hit, especially as they were so hesitant in giving up Diogu, Pietrus and a filler for Artest.

I haven't got much time atm, but I wouldn't mind looking at a J-Rich and Murphy trade, maybe parting with Gordon, Deng, Sweets, OH, Knicks pick initially. Anyways my time is up, I'll finish off the idea later.
there is nobody in the jrich/tmurphy circle that i'd give up that knicks pick for..no way...

i just don't seem them being long term or short term answers...
Target Jason Richardson?

THIS organization?

LMFAO!

He dunks with WAY too much flare and has way too much style when he plays.

He can't possibly be a jib guy.
Jason Richardson is not a good fit for this club.

He and Baron Davis are such umm...rotten bananas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Baron Davis -
MORE LIKE BARON-MOOSE! He killed Billy the Bulls Dog!


But seriously, J-Rich is not coming to town, anyone that wins back to back dunk competitions cannot be traded. Seriously, it's never happened before.

RIGHT?!

RIGHT!! :banana:
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The ROY said:
RIGHT!!?!

RIGHT!!!

:banana:
What is going on in this thread?

Anyway. J-Rich gets legitimate NBA All-Star numbers. Anyone who was interested in Paul Pierce should at least be a little bit intrigued by Jason Richardson. Did you know that he's shooting 40% from the arc?
I watch a lot of JRich out here in SF. He's a really good player and has added to his arsenal consistently year over year. When he first got to the league, he was an average shooter who didn't have 3pt range and he had no left hand. Now he can do almost anything he wants on offense. Unfortunately he settles for 3s too much at times - he's streaky from out there and falls in love with the shot sometimes when he needs to attack the cup. He gives decent effort on defense, but won't be confused with a lockdown defender. He's certainly not the problem with GS's defense, though. He's average to above average IMO.

That said, I think the price you named is too steep, Showtyme. I'm not a huge fan of Ike at this point. He is a gifted post player, but he has a little Sweetney in him physically and as far as consistency. I'll grant that he's young and will improve, though. As far as what it would realistically take to get those guys out of GS, you may be correct - they're very high on both guys. They're probably the only guys who aren't firmly on the trading block considering how pathetic they've played for the last few months. I just think we won't move forward if we give up that much. It seems like a lateral move.
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I like Jason Richardson but Gordon, Deng and a potential no. pick in the draft for him and a unproven undersized big??? We lose a lot of scoring and I'm not sure Richardson will be better than Deng in 2/3 years. I'm not sure I would do this deal for Paul Pierce so I surely wouldn't do it for J Richardson.

Is a Kirk, J Rich, Noc, Chandler, Harrington/Ike starting lineup better than Kirk, Ben, Deng, Chandler, Harrington lineup? Plus, we get to keep our number one pick and Noc is very good bench player.

I would do the trade for Kobe, T Duncan etc... the REAL superstars! Player which make their team better. Players who single make you a .500 team without much help. Not J Rich who isn't impact player. J Rich's impact is similar to J Rose. They put up numbers but aren't franchise players.
ChiSox said:
I like Jason Richardson but Gordon, Deng and a potential no. pick in the draft for him and a unproven undersized big??? We lose a lot of scoring and I'm not sure Richardson will be better than Deng in 2/3 years. I'm not sure I would do this deal for Paul Pierce so I surely wouldn't do it for J Richardson.

Is a Kirk, J Rich, Noc, Chandler, Harrington/Ike starting lineup better than Kirk, Ben, Deng, Chandler, Harrington lineup? Plus, we get to keep our number one pick and Noc is very good bench player.

I would do the trade for Kobe, T Duncan etc... the REAL superstars! Player which make their team better. Players who single make you a .500 team without much help. Not J Rich who isn't impact player. J Rich's impact is similar to J Rose. They put up numbers but aren't franchise players.
But Rose was older, not putting up these sorts of numbers on his own, and actually did come and help our team quite a bit. If the 2002 Jalen Rose came into our team today, I don't know that I'd mind. He was a proven scorer, had quite a few terrific performances for us, and was a veteran on the floor (although pretty whiny off of it).

Vicious, you're right that it's too much to give up. But as you noted, it probably would take that much to get him. Maybe Gordon and Noch and the pick? We could keep Deng, the guy with a higher ceiling.

Kirk/Duhon/Pargo
Richardson/Brewer (our own pick)
Deng/Al Harrington
Harrington/Songaila
Chandler/Przy

It's basically a 9-man rotation, with Kirk, Du, J-Rich, Brewer, Deng, Harrington, Songaila and Chandler. That's definitely not a team of role players, for sure.

I don't agree with the proponents of "let's win now AND let's win later... it's all the same" philosophy, but I am a fan of getting talent this summer that we don't see in the draft or on the FA market. Richardson represents that sort of talent, and I think he'd be a great fit with our team. Athletic, reliable scorer, coachable, far improved defender, a guy with his head in the game and a chip on his shoulder. Ben Gordon, as much as I love him, will at his very best come just short of Richardson's stat line.
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Showtyme said:
But Rose was older, not putting up these sorts of numbers on his own, and actually did come and help our team quite a bit. If the 2002 Jalen Rose came into our team today, I don't know that I'd mind. He was a proven scorer, had quite a few terrific performances for us, and was a veteran on the floor (although pretty whiny off of it).

Vicious, you're right that it's too much to give up. But as you noted, it probably would take that much to get him. Maybe Gordon and Noch and the pick? We could keep Deng, the guy with a higher ceiling.

Kirk/Duhon/Pargo
Richardson/Brewer (our own pick)
Deng/Al Harrington
Harrington/Songaila
Chandler/Przy

It's basically a 9-man rotation, with Kirk, Du, J-Rich, Brewer, Deng, Harrington, Songaila and Chandler. That's definitely not a team of role players, for sure.

I don't agree with the proponents of "let's win now AND let's win later... it's all the same" philosophy, but I am a fan of getting talent this summer that we don't see in the draft or on the FA market. Richardson represents that sort of talent, and I think he'd be a great fit with our team. Athletic, reliable scorer, coachable, far improved defender, a guy with his head in the game and a chip on his shoulder. Ben Gordon, as much as I love him, will at his very best come just short of Richardson's stat line.
If that's not a team of role players what is it? Certainly not a team of stars. The three best players (Richardson, Hinrich and Deng) are on sub .500 teams. They certainly aren't stars. Are they?
If that's not a team of role players what is it? Certainly not a team of stars. The three best players (Richardson, Hinrich and Deng) are on sub .500 teams. They certainly aren't stars. Are they?
That rules out Howard, Bosh, Pierce, Garnett, and Allen to name a few.
He hasn't yet won an All-Star ballot, but J-Rich has plenty more going for him than anyone else on our team.

All-Rookie first team and 3rd in ROY ballots.
First NBA player to win both Rookie Challenge MVP and Slam Dunk contest.
Joined Michael Jordan as only player in NBA history to win back-to-back Slam Dunk contests.

He IS a star because, as step said, plenty of players on sub-.500 teams are still considered All-Stars. I'd look at J-Rich as a Bosh-type at the SG position.

And it's just hard for me to believe that you'd call someone averaging 24 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists and 1.3 steals every night a "role player". Ray Allen, in one of the better years of his entire career, is 25 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1.4 steals shooting 45.3% and 41% from the arc. J-Rich has an EXTREMELY similar statline this season, and it's not like he's the only decent player on his squad; Murphy, Baron Davis are strong players in their own right.
Showtyme said:
He hasn't yet won an All-Star ballot, but J-Rich has plenty more going for him than anyone else on our team.

All-Rookie first team and 3rd in ROY ballots.
First NBA player to win both Rookie Challenge MVP and Slam Dunk contest.
Joined Michael Jordan as only player in NBA history to win back-to-back Slam Dunk contests.

He IS a star because, as step said, plenty of players on sub-.500 teams are still considered All-Stars. I'd look at J-Rich as a Bosh-type at the SG position.

And it's just hard for me to believe that you'd call someone averaging 24 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists and 1.3 steals every night a "role player". Ray Allen, in one of the better years of his entire career, is 25 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1.4 steals shooting 45.3% and 41% from the arc. J-Rich has an EXTREMELY similar statline this season, and it's not like he's the only decent player on his squad; Murphy, Baron Davis are strong players in their own right.
I'm with you 1000%
I'm not against JRich on principle, but I don't think the Bulls would target him given his rep as a flashy player who's not a good defender.

But I am against overpaying, and I think what you're suggesting, Showtyme, is an overpayment. I'd rather hold tight and try to get a good player for less than fair value. Otherwise we'll end up with an incomplete team and too many expectations.
Too steep Showtyme. I dont think the trades we proposed for Pierce were this steep.

We need a big as well. To me that is more important than a big SG. If we can do both without gutting the team then thats alright but I doint see how we do it.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Showtyme again.
Now this is strange, I can't give you respect for that post and I can't remember the last post I gave you respect for, matter of fact, it seems like I can't give anyone respect.
Weird bug.
It's quite depressing, as you definitely deserve it in my view. Anyways token respect!

Anyways I wonder if Paxson is considering these types of trades, not just at ones targeted to fill the big man void.

Gordon, Nocioni and the Knicks pick too steep, how so?
We only lose about about $1M in cap space, but our team would be definitely more set. I would do this trade in conjuction with another, still would definitely look at acquiring Boozer (though it's probably too late on that too).
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