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Respect for the Bulls may be changing, but their recent 2-4 showing in the Rocky Mountain Revue summer league didn't help, especially considering the Bulls featured four players who started much of last season and five players who figure to be in their seven-man rotation.

"It was hard because we were only together for a week,'' said Williams, who led the Bulls in scoring with 15.4 points per game. "We were putting in the triangle, and we didn't know it that well.

"Everybody else was playing together for two or three weeks. But we did OK. You play for 7-8 minutes and come out for six minutes, play a little and come out. You never get in the flow of the game, but that's no excuse. We just have to get better. I'm happy it wasn't the regular season, because we have the whole summer to work on getting better.''

http://www.suntimes.com/output/basketball/cst-spt-classic28.html


Williams was among those who represented the Bulls in a summer league in Utah, where the team went 2-4.

"I got beat up and got my bruises in the summer-league games, but it was well worth it," Williams said. "We could've beaten anybody we played in the summer league, but we couldn't put together a run when we needed it."

Williams downplayed the competition in the Bulls' backcourt between he and Jamal Crawford. (Crawford and Eddy Curry didn't play in the game, despite being scheduled to.)

"Jamal and I have done a great job backing each other up and playing alongside each other," Williams said. "Playing with Jamal has been great for me. If he plays in front of me, so what? If I play in front of him, I hope he feels the same way. We may even play together."

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/283sd2.htm
 

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SALO these are great finds. Thanks for bringing them to our attention. I wonder why Jamal didn't play in the All-Star Summer Game as he was scheduled to?
 

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Originally posted by settinUpShop
SALO these are great finds. Thanks for bringing them to our attention. I wonder why Jamal didn't play in the All-Star Summer Game as he was scheduled to?
I read on another board that Jamal will be playing in Jason Terry's All-Star game in Atlanta. Maybe the two games were too close together time wise and he decided to play in only one and he picked Terry's.
 

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Well, Terry is a Seattle-area kid and they go way back, so that is probably why he decided on that one, but, they are just celeb games and it isn't like he couldn't play last night and fly down today for that one...
 

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Originally posted by RetroDreams
Well, Terry is a Seattle-area kid and they go way back, so that is probably why he decided on that one, but, they are just celeb games and it isn't like he couldn't play last night and fly down today for that one...
Terry and JC may go way back, but I'd rather Crawford be honoring committments he made to his teammates.

While we're talking about Atlanta, how about some idle speculation:

ERob and Crawford in exchange for Nazr Mohammed and DeMarr Johnson. This trade seems to have the potential to benefit both teams. For the Bulls, we're replacing a raw kid with a lot of offensive potential for a raw kid with a lot of defensive potential (Johnson), and we're getting a solution to our depth problems up front in Mohammed.
 

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Originally posted by SALO
Respect for the Bulls may be changing, but their recent 2-4 showing in the Rocky Mountain Revue summer league didn't help, especially considering the Bulls featured four players who started much of last season and five players who figure to be in their seven-man rotation.
Why is it that a home-town writer can't get his facts straight? Hassell started most of the season, fine. EC and TC started 30-something games each, which isn't much of the season, but I'll let that slide (even though starting less than half of your team's games doesn't qualify as "much" of the season).

But JC started 6 games- what the hell?

It seems to me as if Modrowski is trying to make things look worse than they really are.
 

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Originally posted by Mikedc


Terry and JC may go way back, but I'd rather Crawford be honoring committments he made to his teammates.

While we're talking about Atlanta, how about some idle speculation:

ERob and Crawford in exchange for Nazr Mohammed and DeMarr Johnson. This trade seems to have the potential to benefit both teams. For the Bulls, we're replacing a raw kid with a lot of offensive potential for a raw kid with a lot of defensive potential (Johnson), and we're getting a solution to our depth problems up front in Mohammed.
Well guess what, he didn't honor that commitment either. Apparently from what I've read about Terry's game, JC was a no show there too.

What a responsible young man... two no shows in two days.
 

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No ****?

LOL... that is 5 things Craw has done this Summer not to my liking.

- Threatening to skip the RMR because of JWill
- Weak Play in the RMR
- Skipping voluntary workouts
- No show Jalen's game
- No show JT's game

The signs are stacking up, and quick.
 

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Originally posted by RetroDreams


Well guess what, he didn't honor that commitment either. Apparently from what I've read about Terry's game, JC was a no show there too.

What a responsible young man... two no shows in two days.
You don't know what happened. There are millions of possible scenarios for why he didn't show up. To try and guess that the reason he didn't show is because he is irresponsible is useless. He may have had a delayed flight and called to tell them that he wouldn't be there. Lets wait for the facts.
 

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- Threatening to skip the RMR because of JWill--- Unfounded rumor.
- Weak Play in the RMR--- He had two bad games. Everything else was steller. When he got good playing time, we saw good results.
- Skipping voluntary workouts--- Worked out for a month before voluntary workouts. Went back home for the first time in months.
- No show Jalen's game--- Was he invited? Tyson and Eddy didn't show up, maybe they deserve a spanking as well?
- No show JT's game--- Again, we don't know the facts.
 

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KC,

No offense intended, but jumping on EVERY negative that comes out on Crawford as "unfounded rumor" or saying we don't know enough "facts" to comment strikes me as a bit biased.

I agree that Crawford didn't pay too badly (definitely no worse than anyone else), but otherwise, most of those other statements about JC seem to be pretty easily verified.

Look, from most every account I've seen, the guy was lukewarm to JWill coming on board, and it's not surprising to that he's not dealing with it in the best way possible. It happens. Pro athletes react like this all the time.

For Crawford, it seems less surprising because he's always come off as a very "sensitive" (as KC Johnson put it). Maybe it'll get better, but I think it's cause for concern.
 

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Originally posted by KC
- Threatening to skip the RMR because of JWill--- Unfounded rumor.
- Weak Play in the RMR--- He had two bad games. Everything else was steller. When he got good playing time, we saw good results.
- Skipping voluntary workouts--- Worked out for a month before voluntary workouts. Went back home for the first time in months.
- No show Jalen's game--- Was he invited? Tyson and Eddy didn't show up, maybe they deserve a spanking as well?
- No show JT's game--- Again, we don't know the facts.
i guess you set things strait man :yes:

people will accuse without knowing their facts, dont be so naive here people, in this world of internet information, all we have is words written by half-a##ed journalists, none of us REALLY know what happened, so can we just leave it at that?
 

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Originally posted by RetroDreams
LOL...

Man, GET OFF HIS JOCK.

What a homer.
GREAT COMEBACK MAN! you shut me up! :sleep:
 

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It wasn't aimed towards you first of all, Mr. Bravismo... It was to KC, who needs to seriously take off his rose colored glasses and realize what a bad fit Jamal is for the Bulls right now.

- Threatening to skip the RMR because of JWill--- Unfounded rumor.

It may be a rumor since I didn't personally hear it come from his mouth, but there have been numerous articles printed about Jamal's attitude getting sour even before we drafted JWill.

I guess every Chicago columnist just is clueless, right?

- Weak Play in the RMR--- He had two bad games. Everything else was steller. When he got good playing time, we saw good results.

Stellar? Far from it. I loved his all-around production, but he is not doing what he is (eeer, maybe, was) capable of doing. He just didn't BRING IT. He settled for his jumpshot almost every time and seems to fear driving to the hole. For someone who only was shooting 27% from 3, he needed to penetrate much more then he did.

The fact that he is a third year player would give me reason to believe he could dominate much more then he did, since as everyone put it, they were just glorified scrimmages. I would have expected at least 42-45% shooting and an average close to 18-20ppg and 5 dimes. He did handle the assist part very well, not so well for the other two.

- Skipping voluntary workouts--- Worked out for a month before voluntary workouts. Went back home for the first time in months.

Give me a break... That month he "worked out," he could have went home. I'm sure he knew when the voluntary workouts were scheduled and could have taken care of business before hand.

He desperately needs every minute he can get with his teammate to develop some chemistry and just get to know thier games. Do you think if MJ was around, Jamal would have missed the voluntary workouts?

- No show Jalen's game--- Was he invited? Tyson and Eddy didn't show up, maybe they deserve a spanking as well?

If I'm not mistaken, he was listed as going to be there. Yeah, I'm pissed with T&C too, but I wasn't discussing them and they have less heat on them right now then Craw does.

- No show JT's game--- Again, we don't know the facts.

Nope, sure don't... but with all of this other stuff mounting, it sure makes you wonder, doesn't it?

All in all, I like Crawford. I think he could turn out to be a good player in the future, but not for the Bulls. If he is going to run off to Seattle everytime he doesn't get his way, lets just send him packing to the Sonics now so when his contract is up, you aren't shocked when he doesn't resign here.
 

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for the record, i really like JC and feel sorry for him with the raod he's taken in his basketball career

getting suspended at michigan, not getting playing time with floyd as coach, tearing his ACL, AND coming back AHEAD of schedule and being told he was THE point guard of the future, just to see us draft jwil

i just want us to give him a chance, he deserves at least that, but in a year, id trade him for a defensive stopper at the swing positions
 

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Originally posted by JOHNNY_BRAVisimO
for the record, i really like JC and feel sorry for him with the raod he's taken in his basketball career

getting suspended at michigan, not getting playing time with floyd as coach, tearing his ACL, AND coming back AHEAD of schedule and being told he was THE point guard of the future, just to see us draft jwil

i just want us to give him a chance, he deserves at least that, but in a year, id trade him for a defensive stopper at the swing positions
He does deserve a chance and I hope he gets it this year.
 

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My question would be R They?

Originally posted by Mikedc
KC,

No offense intended, but jumping on EVERY negative that comes out on Crawford as "unfounded rumor" or saying we don't know enough "facts" to comment strikes me as a bit biased.

***Where are your links/stories to substantiate your claims that these stories are true? If you HAVE rumors concerning a player, it is ONLY FAIR to list those links to substantiate your claims. show some links that EVERY(rumor) negative is not just another attempt to drag a Bulls player down and I for one would be satisfied. Until then, they are just that, RUMORS.

I agree that Crawford didn't pay too badly (definitely no worse than anyone else), but otherwise, most of those other statements about JC seem to be pretty easily verified.

***again, I would welcome your verification of these accusations against crawford

Look, from most every account I've seen, the guy was lukewarm to JWill coming on board, and it's not surprising to that he's not dealing with it in the best way possible. It happens. Pro athletes react like this all the time.

*where are your links verifying that he was "lukewarm" to Jwill coming on board. what exactly is "every account I've seen???"

For Crawford, it seems less surprising because he's always come off as a very "sensitive" (as KC Johnson put it). Maybe it'll get better, but I think it's cause for concern.
***My personal take on the whole JCrawfor issue is that we need to give this kid a full season; his performance since coming to the Bulls cannot be easily judged. This kid has worked hard to come back early from his injury and has put on some weight in an effort to assist him in a rigorous 82 game season.

Some of you need to get off the RMR garbage. It was a chance for the players to get acquainted with some members of their prospective teams while their coaches were given a chance to verify their reasons for drafting them.

THE RMR was NOT for the purpose of "trimming" rosters. lets get on with the season and not get too excited over how whomever played in the summer hoops??:grinning:
 
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