The Krakken, it's become painfully obvious to me that you have two primary objectives; 1. To argue each and every point with me, and 2. To campaign for the Bulls to hand over the starting PG spot to JWill because he was a great college player.
I, on the other hand, seem a little more realistic. First, I don't want to argue with you about JWill ability, potential or otherwise. In fact, I expect him to be a good player in a couple of years. Secondly, I realize the difference in competition level between the NBA and college. I also realize that the college game is considerably different than that of the NBA. I understand that certain players who performed consistently well in college, struggle in the pros. Likewise, there are sleeper players who didn't shine and then excel in the NBA. In any event, I want JWill to earn the starting PG, not just have it handed to him because was a great collegiate level player. I'm sorry if you don't understand that, but that is my opinion. You can't argue with it, because it a subjective issue.
Let it be known that this is the last post that I will make regarding thi thread. You can reply, but just know that I won't respond.
Then I guess guys like francis, marbury, Davis, Iverson, Pierce, and Bryant just don't get it, or understand. After all, they are aggressive and attack the rim all the time.
Well you can remove 3 players from you so-called example right away; Bryant and Iverson are both SG's and Pierce is a SF. Not to mention that Pierce and Bryant are 6'6 and 6'7, respectively. Steve Francis and Baron Davis both play PG and SG interchangably. However, they're both 3 inches taller than JWill and much more athletic (ie. vertical jump). If JWill were a few inches taller, he would be better suited to defend at PG and SG positions. Of the players that you've mentioned, Marbury is the only one who is less than 6'3" and he is the best comparison to JWill. A guy who is capable of scoring a lot (while taking a lot shots), but does not think pass first. Yes I agree that they all attack the rim, I never said they a PG shouldn't. I simply said that today's defensive schemes are more easily overcome with proper spacing. For examples see, the Lakers, Mavs, and Kings. If I know you, you'll probably come back with examples of how Nash and Bibby penetrate to create space for permiter shooters. And you'll be right. And if JWill does that on a consistent basis and doesn't have the most shot attempts (per minute) of anyone on the team, then I will say that he'd be pretty solid PG. However, nothing that I have seen or read (box score) thus, far has led me to believe that it will happen anytime soon.
This statement baffles me the most. Earlier you stated that since Jay was a shoot first PG, that he was not traditional. And now? If in traditional you mean size wise, well it supported BJ armstrong and Paxon ok....and Jwill may be the most athletic "traditional" 1 to ever play in the triangle. Paxon, Armstrong, Shaw, or FIsher??? Please.
I'm so sorry that you're so easily baffled. I'll try my best to simplify it one last time for you. As I said before, JWill is a SG in a PG's body. Meaning that he's way too short to play anything but PG as he would a defensive liability but he has the mentality of a SG, in that he thinks shoot before pass. And no, I am not reading his mind and simply making an assumption based on the fact that he shot 18 times and passed less than 10. Afterall we already had a short PG who could not only shoot, but could pass as well and we cut him (El Amin). BJ, Paxon, and Kerr were all PGs who sat out on the perimeter waiting for Michael to be double and triple teamed and then could knock down the wide open J. Something that JWill has yet to prove that he can do at the NBA level. Now, if the Bulls had someone who commanded a double team as Jordan consistently did and they had a multi-dimensional SF like Pippen or Kukoc, then I would say that JWill would be a great PG. But this is 2002 and the Bulls have a different mix of players. This is a team that will thrive in the open court and will anchor their half-court offense by feeding the post, interior passing, and kick outs to the perimeter for open looks. The offense does not support a player like Kevin Johnson or Isiah Thomas who were known to penetrate for a reserve lay up. Yes, before you get your panties in a wad, I admit that the PG must have the ability to take the ball to the rack if the opportunity to do so is there. I'm just saying that it shouldn't be a main staple of the Bulls offensive repitore. The Bulls, in the Triangle will prosper with a quadruple threat, Curry and Chandler down low, Rose and JC at the perimeter. History has proven that you don't need an athletic PG for the triangle to work. You just need a PG who's willing to pass and who can hit an uncontested shot.
ANd Y would we do that (i.e. Let JWill come off the bench his 1st season)? And facts do you base your assumptions on? Please make them count.
The concept is quite simple. Make him learn the NBA game from the sideline just as most other PGs do during their first season. JC had to do it. What makes JWill too good to do the same? My assumption are based on what I see, not on hype as they are with you. Plus, I think JC is a better all-around PG.