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All it took was watching one game to realize why JWill is unquestionably our PG. When he's handling the ball, he makes things happen. His passing is great, his penetration even better and he is the sparkplug this teams needs. He made some expected mistakes, like overeagerness on some of his shots and passes, but he will settle down a bit. His defense looked good for the most part, though he needs to learn how to fight around screens better. Another thing he'll have to get used to is how to finish amongst the trees. He will adjust though, and I'm not concerned. More than anything I'm impressed how much of an impact he is ready to make from day 1.

Watching Crawford has convinced me of one thing - he is a SG. Yes, he has skills to fill in at PG, but he is not the natural passer and ball controller that most teams have at PG. Maybe we ASSUMED he was a PG because he was drafted as one, but that was a product of the system more than his skills. Now this is not to say he didn't impress me. He has filled out even more and is really showing just how good an athlete he is. He shoots with confidence and a nice stroke. He is a SCORER. He has the makings of a very good SG in this league, but he clearly is not deserving of the starting PG role.

A few other notes:

- Dali's 15 footer is looking good. Red Kerr brought up a good point - he's still only 22! Don't write him off just yet.

- Doug Overton sucks. The spot will go to Brunson.

- Curry looks damn confident in the post and he should be an offensive force this year.

- Chandler showed a face up game I didn't know he had.

- The big guys looked good blocking shots and at the FT line.

- Team defense was pretty good overall. Rebounding needs some work.

- Overall, I'm very impressed and let's remember this game was basically w/o ALL of our experienced guys. We will contend against some good teams this year with Jalen, Marcus, Eddie and Donyell.
 

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Originally posted by <b>ChiBullsFan</b>!
All it took was watching one game to realize why JWill is unquestionably our PG. When he's handling the ball, he makes things happen. His passing is great, his penetration even better and he is the sparkplug this teams needs. He made some expected mistakes, like overeagerness on some of his shots and passes, but he will settle down a bit. His defense looked good for the most part, though he needs to learn how to fight around screens better. Another thing he'll have to get used to is how to finish amongst the trees. He will adjust though, and I'm not concerned. More than anything I'm impressed how much of an impact he is ready to make from day 1.

Watching Crawford has convinced me of one thing - he is a SG. Yes, he has skills to fill in at PG, but he is not the natural passer and ball controller that most teams have at PG. Maybe we ASSUMED he was a PG because he was drafted as one, but that was a product of the system more than his skills. Now this is not to say he didn't impress me. He has filled out even more and is really showing just how good an athlete he is. He shoots with confidence and a nice stroke. He is a SCORER. He has the makings of a very good SG in this league, but he clearly is not deserving of the starting PG role.

A few other notes:

- Dali's 15 footer is looking good. Red Kerr brought up a good point - he's still only 22! Don't write him off just yet.

- Doug Overton sucks. The spot will go to Brunson.

- Curry looks damn confident in the post and he should be an offensive force this year.

- Chandler showed a face up game I didn't know he had.

- The big guys looked good blocking shots and at the FT line.

- Team defense was pretty good overall. Rebounding needs some work.

- Overall, I'm very impressed and let's remember this game was basically w/o ALL of our experienced guys. We will contend against some good teams this year with Jalen, Marcus, Eddie and Donyell.
I STILL would LOVE to see overton and graves waived to pick up Rod Grizzard who was waived by washington, AND Omar Cook, who was waived by orlando!!:yes:
 

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Watched the entire game, and I agree with everything u said.
It was good to see the bulls play solid D for 48 mins.

Some of my thoughts from the game:

J-will's speed with the ball is freaky......the guy is right up there with likes of iverson and kidd(on the open floor).

U can clearly notice the extra confidence Curry and Chandler have this year compared to last year.

Crawford still looks kind of hesitant when takin' it to the hole. I'm yet to see him drive and dunk the ball or even have a good clean layup while splitting big bodies.
 

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Chandler showed a face up game I didn't know he had
Thats good news. :)
 

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Another silly thread.

Crawford played well too, and made a number of nice passes to EC, Baxter and others.

JWill finished well and took control at the end which was impressive

Tonight JWill played primarily w/. the starters and looked good. JC got stuck with the scrubs and didn't have as many oppotunities to impress. Last night the roles were reveresed.

Ball movement last night with JC was better
Tonight JWill's fearlessness created a number of nice looks.

The Bulls have two very good young POINT GUARDS.

With the PG initiating the full court press, and thus having to exert the most energy, it's a very good thing that the Bulls have two very good point guards.

When the Bulls have all their players available, both PG's will have plenty of opportunities to generate highlights since the Bulls second five will be really good.


Especially on back to back nights, it will be to the Bulls advanteg to have a really fresh PG to press and create energy in the starting role or off the bench.

One thing also is certain, having these two in practise competing against one another makes both players better.


I wouldn't trade either one.
 

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Originally posted by <b>ztect</b>!
Another silly thread.

Crawford played well too, and made a number of nice passes to EC, Baxter and others.

JWill finished well and took control at the end which was impressive

Tonight JWill played primarily w/. the starters and looked good. JC got stuck with the scrubs and didn't have as many oppotunities to impress. Last night the roles were reveresed.

Ball movement last night with JC was better
Tonight JWill's fearlessness created a number of nice looks.

The Bulls have two very good young POINT GUARDS.

With the PG initiating the full court press, and thus having to exert the most energy, it's a very good thing that the Bulls have two very good point guards.

When the Bulls have all their players available, both PG's will have plenty of opportunities to generate highlights since the Bulls second five will be really good.


Especially on back to back nights, it will be to the Bulls advanteg to have a really fresh PG to press and create energy in the starting role or off the bench.

One thing also is certain, having these two in practise competing against one another makes both players better.


I wouldn't trade either one.

AMEN! Very well said! Let's also not lose site of the fact that these are just pre-season games. But all things being equal, the future looks bright and I can't wait until we're fully healthy and have Jalen, Donyell, ERob, and Fizer back. When we do, look out East!
 

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As fans, we now can be proud of our Bulls. After two preseason games, we probably have suprised and somewhat scared a lot of teams in the East. Game 1, we went against Boston and they had all of their pieces in place while we ddin't have ours. But we did score 104 pts. Without our main veterans, we won against a somewhat "playoff team".

Personally, I am pencilling us a playoff spot this year.
 

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I haven't seen any games yet, but in reading reports and parsing the box scores, the critical difference I see is that JWill appears to be quite a bit better defender than Crawford.

Given Cartwright's coaching, that, to me is the primary reason JWill is the man. If not immediately, then sooner rather than later.

It's also one of the reasons I wanted to draft JWill. Much is made of a PG's ability to "control" the game on offense, but I think that in the triangle that's somewhat overrated. I think JWill can do that, but within the triangle it's not ONLY the PG that controls the flow offensively.

The real difference is on defense. Teams that DO run their offense through the point guard (as opposed to teams that run the triangle and similar offenses) are, by definition, more at risk when they face a team with a great defensive point guard. If JWill can be a guy who disrupts opponents' offenses by clamping down on THEIR PG, then that's just as important as what he does offensively.

In looking at JWill, I think he's got this ability. He's tough, super quick, gets a lot of steals, and knows the fundamentals. Those things are what gives him the edge.
 

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Originally posted by <b>Mikedc</b>!
I haven't seen any games yet, but in reading reports and parsing the box scores, the critical difference I see is that JWill appears to be quite a bit better defender than Crawford.
I wouldn't make this conclusion at all.

If jay's better, it isn't considerable.

Both get knocked off of picks still. Though in both games so far, jamal is fighting through them better.

Jamal isn't as quick as JWill, but he's still pretty quick. Jamal's length though helps and really is a defensive asset.

Jamal tonight actually was matching up against the SG when paired with Overton in the back court.

So I think there will be games where Jamal matches up better
and other games where Jay matches up better depending
on the type of pg the other team possesses.


Both seem to want to develop this aspect of their game. Plus again this most definitely is a situation where Craw particularly benefits from having JWill to practice against.
 

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Originally posted by <b>ztect</b>!
Another silly thread.



I wouldn't trade either one.
Nor would I, if both players' attitudes remains positive regardless of who starts. But I'm far from convinced that, psychologically speaking, Crawford could thrive as a backup.:no:
 

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Ztect is right!

Go with Ztect. He is on the money. Actually several of the responses to this thread make very good points. I think it comes down to this.......................

The Bulls will end up with 2 decent point gaurds. They will have flexibility and depth. Both guys are going to have to improve, especially on defense, but I think they will. Plus their competition will drive both to improve. Add Jalen Rose as a point forward, to take the pressure off and be ready for some fun.

I really like the idea of J. Will, Crawford and Rose on the floor at the same time. That give the Bulls three solid ball handlers who can score.
 

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man, i hope jay and jamal can co-exist cuz i would LOVE to have them both at point.....we would have one of the brightests point tadems in the league..........

i don't really care who starts..........there are some things jay does better than jamal........i always wanted someone on our squad who wasn't afraid to take it straight to the whole....looks like we got our man.......

i ain't gon front, i would rather have jay williams start lol.........

Jay Will
Jalen Rose
Eddie Robinson or Donyell Marshall
Tyson Chandler
Eddy Curry

I think we'll be real good this year........i can't wait til' everyone's back on the floor.......our team is gonna be alot better than folks expect..........we're young and hungry...and very talented.........
 

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Crawford's agent, Aaron Goodwin, said he has been assured by Jerry Krause that Crawford won't lose the position unless legitimately beaten out by Williams. Goodwin said if the position simply were handed to Williams, he would consider asking Krause to trade Crawford.

Don't look now, Aaron, but the handwriting's on the wall. It's not that JC has played poorly because the things he does well, he has continued to do well, like taking and making long range jumpers.

But JWill has already demonstrated the type of multifaceted game that will force other teams to scheme for him. He shoots, he penetrates and he dishes to the open man. But most importantly, he attacks! Relentlessly! And if his opponent pushes him, he pushes back.

What it all seems to boil down to is not who's more skilled, because both JWill and JC have an abundance of talent. I think the real difference between these two gifted players is attitude (Van Lier's favorite subject). JC's like a passenger on the bus while JWill wants to DRIVE the bus.

Throughout most of last night's 4th quarter against the Raptors the Bulls looked like a team searching for a leader, a go to guy. As their lead was shrinking, minute by minute, no one seemed willing to take over. But with less than two minutes remaining and the Bulls lead cut to three points, the rookie stepped up big time and attacked the Raptor defense. His assault on the Raptors D resulted in two buckets and a putback opportunity for Curry.

Again, this is not a knock against Crawford. But we've needed to add the mindset of an assasin to the Bulls overall persona for several years. As JWill matures, he'll provide that kind of attitude and leadership.
 

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I think the Bulls need to make it a top priority to convert Crawford into a two guard. There is really no question that this is going to be Jay's team.

Crawford's abilities, specifically his shooting and size, should translate well to the two, and if he's a better ballhandler than the average shooting guard, then so much the better.

Am I missing something? Why is Cartwright fairly adamant about not trying them on the court together, particularly now when he doesn't have to worry about the Jalen Rose factor?
 

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HJ, I think you may have inadvertently contradicted yourself. I think everything in your post is true, but it may be for those reasons that you mentioned that Jamal may be a better fit for our starting lineup.

Jay's obviously more aggressive, but in the starting unit the offense will primarily run through Jalen, and Jamal's more laid back, take-what-the-defense-gives-you approach might make for a more cohesive unit, where Jalen will be the primary initiator of the offense and feeding the post early to get our bigs going will be a priority. That would seem to create a situation where a more passive pg who is more willing to play within the confines of the offense and defer to others might be more beneficial.

And this way, Jay would be able to come in with the second unit, where his aggressive, take-control, attacking style could be fully utilized. Regardless, this team has two pretty damn good youngs pg's, and if they both keep the right attitude, should be a huge plus for this team.
 

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1. Jay is REALLY quick. He had this stutter step fake dribble that I could not believe last night, towards the end of the 4th when he took that floater on whoever that huge white Raptor dude was. There aren't very many players in the NBA who can even physically pull off a move with that speed, and even fewer guys that can actually pull it off in a game. That showed me a lot.

2. Crawford's defense wasn't that bad. He doesn't get into the passing lanes like Jay did, but he stuck his man and fought through a few picks. His longer arms are pretty effective...

I think I like Jay as the more exciting player, and his professionalism is visible on the floor, and he's a LOT more aggressive in attacking the hoop. He attempted a pretty nasty dunk, something I haven't seen Crawford do lately...
 

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Originally posted by <b>ScottMay</b>!
I think the Bulls need to make it a top priority to convert Crawford into a two guard. There is really no question that this is going to be Jay's team.

Crawford's abilities, specifically his shooting and size, should translate well to the two, and if he's a better ballhandler than the average shooting guard, then so much the better.

Am I missing something? Why is Cartwright fairly adamant about not trying them on the court together, particularly now when he doesn't have to worry about the Jalen Rose factor?
i remember when Cartwright said they wouldn't play together he didn't make it iron clad but he did say 2 or 3 guys would have to be hurt for him to do it.

with that i am assuming that he wants to try things he forsees in game situations during the season. So no JC & J will combos besides he has to make room for other players even with Donyell fizer rose & robinson out hassell & hoilberg is a better alternative than overton & brunson so there probably needs to be 1 more injury before we'll see that combination on the floor.
 

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Originally posted by <b>happygrinch</b>!


i remember when Cartwright said they wouldn't play together he didn't make it iron clad but he did say 2 or 3 guys would have to be hurt for him to do it.

with that i am assuming that he wants to try things he forsees in game situations during the season. So no JC & J will combos besides he has to make room for other players even with Donyell fizer rose & robinson out hassell & hoilberg is a better alternative than overton & brunson so there probably needs to be 1 more injury before we'll see that combination on the floor.
In pre-season game 1, JWill played a lot with Brunson.
In pre-game season 2, Craw played a lot with Overton,

Thus the Bulls weren't adverse to play a 2 pg offense.

IMO Cartwright's comments were largely psychological. He wants JC & JW fighting for the spot, since the competition makes both players better. However, eventually though I do feel Cartwright will play both players together and in the triangle, they'll both handle the ball.

Regarding this competition, JW's assertitiveness was an asset at the end, though this will be Rose's roll. It's good though to have a second option. However, with Craw, the ball movement in both games has been better. Ball movement and spacing was much better against Boston when JC was with the first unit, thus EC was getting the ball in much better position. Whether this was due to style of play or familiarity with the offense can be debated.

Regardless, both bring something different to the floor. This is a good thing...not a bad thing.
 

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i never said there were no point guard tandems

i said the JC and jwill one wont be used unless there are a lot of injuries

i thought the reasons for not putting together come from the rmr in which they played side by side from time to time and both of them essensially chucked everyone on their team when that happened (not that either were particuarly give most of the time in the rmr anyway but in those instances they simply did not pass the ball )

and you cant have that kind of behavior during the season so its best not to practice it now

i didn't see the 1st game but i saw a lot of the 2nd and i agree the ball moved better with JC at the helm the spacing and cohesion was the biggest difference when the jc and williams were running things

the rest of the team seems to work a little better under JC's watch than williams

but like i said on another thread the preseason is a month long i expect both players to work out their on court problems a bit (spacing judgement etc.) before the star of the season
 

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Is there any doubt in anybodies mind that the bulls are going to have injuries. I am for keeping both Craw and Jay because of this. Relax people and try to enjoy the ride. Thank God i believe we might have a legit NBA team once again.
 
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