I don't think that Isiah would do this deal at all. Kurt Thomas is playing very good ball along with Stephon Marbury, and they shouldn't risk trading some players just to get a little more size.
Kurt Thomas is playing unbeleivable right now. He is the type of player I think the Knicks should try to get, if they try to trade for anyone. He is a great role player. He knows Stephon is the prime player in the offense, and he just plays his role in order to best suite the team. He will hit an open shot when he gets it. He will battle underneath to get that crucial board. Kurt is an all-around kind of guy.
Keep him on this team. They need him.
OT- Try playing Dermarr as well. See what he can do. I'm a believer that he has healed, and he can contribute if he is given time on the court.
No point to the trade. Dampier is a center, Knicks need a PF to play alongside Mutombo. Dampier is a FA like Thomas and Doleac too, so they're running the same risks, and Dampier would be more likely to leave as a FA than KT.
I agree in keeping Kurt Thomas. He has the attitude of the past Knick players the fans love. he is tough and plays big. He plays solid defense, can shoot from mid-range, and rebound. I'd rather have KT than Dampier straight up. I really like the potential of Demar and think that getting him on the court for 15 or so minutes a game will be very beneficial for the future.
I think you guys may be missing the point and the only way Isiah can build a champion level squad....
I cant speak for isiah,but it seems pretty obvious he is hell bent on Rasheed...Perhaps next year as a free agent..In that case,isnt thomas suddenly expendable??. if Isiah can get Damp and get Rasheed,I think he does what it takes....he is thinking championship,thats his mindset.....
i am not saying i would do it,but i could certainly see his logic if he pulls the trigger
The thing with this trade it may hurt us in the short run (this season). Without Rasheed on the roster if we lose KT and Doleac we will definately be hurting up front (those two have stapled the pick and roll with Steph).
Now if we could get Sheed this summer and Dampier manning the middle we would definately be a better team next season.
the question then becomes can we re-sign Damp at the end of the year? Someone above mentioned he is an expiring contract. Also, does this trade jepordize a playoff spot? We already don't have a lotto pick so I can't justify misisng the playoffs on the hopes of two free agent signings
Marbs has got to be the worst Marbury knockoff I've ever heard.
Dampier wouldn't really be dominant in the east. The only thing he's good at is rebounding. He puts up inflated numbers from playing alongside Clifford Robinson, the worst rebounding PF in the league. Ben Wallace averaged 15 playing alongside Cliff too, now he's down to 12, which is a huge gap. Coincidence? Not at all. Before Troy Murphy came back, Jason Richardson was averaging 8 rebounds per game at SG.. Needless to say, Dampier isn't averaging 15 boards anymore, and J-Rich isn't averaging 8 anymore. Dampier's numbers this year are certainly not the norm. He's Kurt Thomas minus the shot, except he grabs more offensive boards (partially due to his team missing the most shots in the league, in all likelyhood).
Dampier has outplayed shaq every time this year, and has become a consistent double double threat every night. He is well worth Thomas and Doleac, if you're looking to get big men, GS is the place to look. Pretty much all of their four's and five's are good.
Yep, that's a nice team. But that includes Wallace. Without him we'd be:
Penny/Anderson (I don't know it's wise to play penny big minutes)
Houston/Norris/Williams? (Allan is wearing down, Anderson getting his mins at the 3)
Marbs/Williams (I think I'll always call him Marbs, just to irritate Rashidi)
Basically parallel to what we have now but with less depth. And IMO weaker at the three and four.
I understand and agree. I'm just saying I don't know I'd pull the trigger on that specific deal if I weren't sure Rasheed is coming.
Consider that you'd be trading KT and Doleac, two decent PF's, but more significantly, two of our strongest trading pawns. So if we do the deal for Dampier, and don't get Sheed with the MLE, there might not be enough pieces to acomplish any additional significant trades. Thus you'd be left with the team I laid down, which I don't think goes any farther than this one. We'd have the same record, less depth, and fewer tradeable parts.