Kobe more valuable to team than Nash

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B-Scott

Discussion Starter · Apr 8, 2006

Tonight it was proven. Please dont say that Nash got everyone involved and Kobe hot dogged and all that because the Suns built up there big lead with Nash on the Bench.

When Kobe and Nash are both out the game start of the 4th quarter. Its only 1 point game. The suns have the talent to still execute even with Nash on the bench because of the athletisism of Barbosa,Marion,House,Diaw. Barbosa breaking Smush parker down like he is stuck to the floor. I actually feared Him more then Nash. I was hoping they kept Nash in the game. It was only a 1 point game.

Nash clearly has the better team and it was proven in each of the suns victories over the Lakers. When Kobe and Nash each sit down,thats where LA gets blown out. Proof that they have a muhc better bench. Like i said last month,Barbosa would start for the Lakers. Raja bell and house would start for LA. The last time these teams played,LA had a 10 point lead 2nd quarter,and the Suns bench went on a 17-0 run with kobe and Nash on the bench.

Nash can sit for 7 minutes,and his team still take control of the game. If kobe sits,the lead goes from 1 to 15 . Proof kobe is more valuable to his team. Lakers only hope was for kobe to play 48 minutes.

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Hairy Midget

· #2 · Apr 8, 2006

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What if Eddie House, Boris Diaw and such were playing from the beginning of the season for the Lakers? I could guarantee you that Boris Diaw would be on the end of the bench just like the Hawks. Eddie House would come out and chuck shots and miss most of them because he wouldn't be wide open.

reHEATed

· #3 · Apr 8, 2006

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I agree

Nash is a great player obviously and did great things last year helping to turn the team around, but I think D'Antoni and his scheme did and do as much for the team as Nash. The guy is just amazing and different than any coach in the league

but kobe carries his team, game after game. He wills his team to victories with high scoring efforts coming every single game

I dont think he will win the mvp award because I think Lebron is having a better year both statistically to kobe and team wise, but I do think Kobe should (even though he wont because of team record) get more votes than Nash

1. One of only seven players in NBA history to average 25 points, 8 rebounds, and 6 assists while shooting 50% or more from the field in a playoff series (the others are Bob Cousy, Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Michael Jordan). Wade accomplished this in two consecutive series in the 2005 playoffs.
2. Joined Wilt Chamberlain, Magic Johnson, and Allen Iverson as the only players ever to record games of 40+ points, 10+ rebounds, and 15+ assists in the same playoff season in 2005.
3. Holds the record for being the only player in NBA history to ever average at least 30 points on 69.5 field goal percentage for four consecutive NBA playoff series games (5/23/06-5/29/06). The last record was held by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar with 63%. Wade accomplished it with less than 20 field goal attempts per game
4. Fifth player in NBA history with at least 30 points, 15 assists and 5 rebounds in a playoff game (5/10/05 vs. WAS). The others are Magic Johnson, Jerry West, Walt Frazier and Oscar Robertson.
5. One of four players in NBA history to have at least 30 points and 12 assists in three consecutive games (November 24-27, 2006). The others are Oscar Robertson, Nate Archibald, and Kevin Johnson. [5]

KDOS

· #4 · Apr 8, 2006

Re: Kobe more valuable to team then Nash

wadeshaqeddie said:
I dont think he will win the mvp award because I think Lebron is having a better year both statistically to kobe and team wise, but I do think Kobe should (even though he wont because of team record) get more votes than Nash

Its sad huh? I wish Lebron can have Smush Parker and we'll get Flip Murray.

DuMa

· #5 · Apr 8, 2006

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How many times have Kobe scored 40+ and his team still loses?

and you're basing this out of 1 night of basketball. Nash has been in a slump the past few games. its understandable that his teammates would carry him more knowing he's been struggling.

KDOS

· #6 · Apr 8, 2006

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DuMa said:
How many times have Kobe scored 40+ and his team still loses?
.

Kobe shot 57% tonight on 51 pts...what more can you want?

qross1fan

· #7 · Apr 8, 2006

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Hairy Midget said:
What if Eddie House, Boris Diaw and such were playing from the beginning of the season for the Lakers? I could guarantee you that Boris Diaw would be on the end of the bench just like the Hawks. Eddie House would come out and chuck shots and miss most of them because he wouldn't be wide open.

Second that.

DuMa

· #8 · Apr 8, 2006

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KOBEDUNKEDONSHAQ said:
Kobe shot 57% tonight on 51 pts...what more can you want?

how bout a W? its apparent he can score at will whoopdee doo. proven that time and time again and yet time and time again, his team will lose. how about creating for others? play as a team? do the things the suns do?

ChiBron

· #9 · Apr 8, 2006

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Kobe's teammates were really off tonight. It happens but that hasn't been the case lately AT ALL though. LA has gone on runs w/ Kobe on the bench. This game was the 2nd of a back to back after a tough OT loss last night. I reckon they were a bit tired. Regarding Nash having more talent around him......u might've noticed they also have one of the best records in the league. Not a .500 team struggling to hang on to a low seed. Tonight the 2nd stringers struggled for the majority of the game w/ Nash on the bench until the 4th qtr when the Lakers clearly had little gas left. Their defensive effort(especially KOBE) was horrendous.

Nash had 25/8 on great shooting. He was still the best Sun on the court.

aNgelo5

· #10 · Apr 8, 2006

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im sorry man but yes KOBE MVP TEAM KOBE nash has marion.... and many other teammates to pass to .... Kobe doesnt

Arti

· #11 · Apr 8, 2006

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No one questions Kobe's ability to score. But one measure of greatness is how well you improve other players, and Nash seems to have the clear upper hand in that department.

B-Scott

Discussion Starter · #12 · Apr 8, 2006

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Nash was kicking back on the bench. Suns up 1. They push the lead to 15.

Lakers only hope is to play kobe 48 minutes. Dude cant even sit for 2 minutes.

Barbosa was the difference. Every time we play the suns,were able to keep it close,then here comes the Bomb squad. Barbosa blows by Sasha and Smush so easy,that the shooters are always wide open.

Barbosa is always the difference.Lakers need more quality guards. Smush is a CBA player. Sasha,shouldnt even be in any rotation.

Sir Patchwork

· #13 · Apr 8, 2006

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wadeshaqeddie said:
Nash is a great player obviously and did great things last year helping to turn the team around, but I think D'Antoni and his scheme did and do as much for the team as Nash. The guy is just amazing and different than any coach in the league

Yeah exactly. Nash is amazing but with the Suns, sometimes you forget he is playing or is on the bench. He doesn't have the near the impact as some of his hype would say. When he is out of the game, the Suns play the same game. Eddie House still makes me think he is one of the best shooters in the league. Boris Diaw and Shawn Marion still make for such interesting plays when they hook up.

Kobe was Kobe tonight, but the Suns are the better team. When you're rooting against the Suns, it's so frustrating because they put up points so fast. It's not uncommon for them to get 9 points in 3 or 4 times down the floor. Those kind of runs are heartbreaking when you spend half a quarter trying to get a 6 point lead down to 1.

That's why as much as I want the Lakers to succeed in the playoffs, I don't think the Suns will have any trouble with them. It'll probably be a 5 game series, 6 at most.

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B-Scott

Discussion Starter · #14 · Apr 8, 2006

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Arti said:
No one questions Kobe's ability to score. But one measure of greatness is how well you improve other players, and Nash seems to have the clear upper hand in that department.

Nash wasnt even in the game. They pushed the lead from 1 to 15 with Kobe and nash out the game.

Barbosa,House,Raja bell are simply better then Smush parker and Sasha Vujacik. Thats the difference. I really dont fear Nash and Marion as a Laker fan. I fear those guys.

KDOS

· #15 · Apr 8, 2006

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DuMa said:
how bout a W? its apparent he can score at will whoopdee doo. proven that time and time again and yet time and time again, his team will lose. how about creating for others? play as a team? do the things the suns do?

How about more team effort especially defensively? oh wait how about just a little bit of consistency? but wait ...Creating for others? thats the oldest excuse in the book that people who doesnt watch Laker games often throws for argument. Kobe is not a point guard dont expect him to dish and start making plays like Steve Nash.

naibsel

· #16 · Apr 8, 2006

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the 14 hobo's in purple and gold are usually bad enough but tonight they were lepers.

you can not base any form of argument around tonights game because one team underperformed to a ridiculous extent.

nash was killing it in first half anyway, just coz kobes dropped 30 doesn't mean that nash's 17 and 7 weren't as good. yeh kobe hits incredible shots. but nash absolutely punks most defences in the league. he goes for the layup when they think he's passing, shoots the j when they think he's driving. and i wish i had a gif of the instant im sure anyone who watched the game remembers. but on one of nashs drives 4 lakers polished the floor so he wouldn't dirty his shoes. one of the most uncontested layups (in traffic) of the year.

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LBJthefuturegoat

· #17 · Apr 8, 2006

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Sir Patchwork said:
Yeah exactly. Nash is amazing but with the Suns, sometimes you forget he is playing or is on the bench. He doesn't have the near the impact as some of his hype would say. When he is out of the game, the Suns play the same game. Eddie House still makes me think he is one of the best shooters in the league. Boris Diaw and Shawn Marion still make for such interesting plays when they hook up.

Kobe was Kobe tonight, but the Suns are the better team. When you're rooting against the Suns, it's so frustrating because they put up points so fast. It's not uncommon for them to get 9 points in 3 or 4 times down the floor. Those kind of runs are heartbreaking when you spend half a quarter trying to get a 6 point lead down to 1.

That's why as much as I want the Lakers to succeed in the playoffs, I don't think the Suns will have any trouble with them. It'll probably be a 5 game series, 6 at most.

Who holds the tie breaker for Sac/LaL?

KDOS

· #18 · Apr 8, 2006

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Sacramento....was ours, but Lamar Odom decided to not run the clock and drive for a offensive foul.

Cap

· #19 · Apr 8, 2006

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SPMJ said:
Kobe's teammates were really off tonight. It happens but that hasn't been the case lately AT ALL though. LA has gone on runs w/ Kobe on the bench.

No actually, it's normally the case. There's no such thing as a team where that isn't the case a vast majority of the time, where that team has one of the worst +/-'s in the league without their best player.

Regarding Nash having more talent around him......u might've noticed they also have one of the best records in the league. Not a .500 team struggling to hang on to a low seed. Tonight the 2nd stringers struggled for the majority of the game w/ Nash on the bench until the 4th qtr when the Lakers clearly had little gas left. Their defensive effort(especially KOBE) was horrendous.

Bell scored 12 points on 4/10 shooting the entire night. Plus you didn't watch the game.

Btw, see PMs for ownage.

ChiBron

· #20 · Apr 8, 2006

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I finally do agree that Nash shouldn't be league MVP this season. The Suns, unlike last year, have a pretty solid bench that usually takes care of business when Nash checks out(huge credit for this goes to GOD's gift to basketball - Mike D'Antoni). That wasn't the case last year at all where it was tough to recognize the team on the court once Nash checked out for a breather.

I would want either LeBron or Dirk to win MVP from here on. LeBron's had the best year in the league if you ask me but what Dirk's done as the sole star of his team is quite remarkable too.

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