undefined_playa said:All in all, do you guys think the trade was beneficial, harmful, or had no effect to the team?
Recall: Davis, JYD, Chris Jefferies FOR Rose, Marshall, Baxter
That's really when the panic began to set in w/ Grunwald - this was a band-aid lateral movement @ best and if anything, carved out any character that the team possessed - but this was pretty symptomatic of Glen's tenure - short term solutions and fixes w/ very little foresight as to future consequences and/or ramifications - bringing in an aged and over-the-hill Olajuwon, a coach who boasted the most # of wins (but a career average of 0.500 @ best - ignoring losses is not a wise gamble) in Lenny Wilkins - Nate Hoffman, Michael Stewart, etc., etc.spinz said:we lost heart and grit in both Davis and JYD, and lost nothing in 'stoned' Chris Jefferies
we gained, scoring/swingman in Rose, paremeter shooting in Marshall, and potential in Baxter
overall, the heart from Davis was lost at the begining of the season as he b*t*hed about being here and cried not to play center...
JYD was a loss that was critical for the Raps as his NBA true value was only manufactored and reeped here in his days as a RAP
nothing positive to say about Jefferies....and looking back at it, Karem Rush was a keeper compared to where is he now 'Jefferies'
honestly other than losing JYD, I was happy with this team on paper and really excited with the first 5 games after the trade, there was a buzz again at the ACC and optimism in the air...when the confetti settled and the booz wore off, and soberness hit, well, you have our current squad...
I'm not exactly sure why Grunwald's mismanagement over his tenure shouldn't include this - instead of receiving Rose and Marshall in return, why not look elsewhere for draft choices (although to be honest, this would've been a crapshoot given Grunwald's suspect judgment by and large in selecting through the draft)... Glen is a nice person from all accounts, but under his stewardship, the team more often than not had the wherewithal to make it to the playoffs, but lacked the proper components to make a serious run @ the championship (w/ the exception possibly of the conference finals that one year) - it appeared from this vantage point that he sought immediate gratification (i.e. short-term winning) w/o properly acknowledging what future considerations lay ahead... Look @ what Joe Dumars has done in Detroit since assuming those duties - slowly, but surely he's amassed the pieces he believes are integral in constructing a viable championship contender, not just a playoff entrant... Shrewd trades and building through the draft (e.g. Tayshaun Prince)...ballocks said:in the end, i guess my point is simple: while you might not like jalen and/or donyell, nor what our team has done with them, i think it's pretty clear that things would have been worse without them (if that can be heard). of course, we want to put our finger on the problem, thereby helping to identify the solution, but it's not that easy- using jalen, donyell and grunwald for that exercise is irresponsible and childish (imo).
That's Bull.madman said:at the time it was a great trade untill rose and carter got hurt