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Make your case...MVP

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To me, it's just too hard NOT to give Kobe the MVP. People are talking about giving it to Bron because he's on pace to lead his team to 46 wins, but Kobe's on pace to bring his team to 44 wins and to me. That is a MUCH bigger deal, considering the supporting casts on both teams. Brons team is much more solid, and much deeper.

There are a few other candidates, one of them being Nash. He's been doing what he's always done and playing incredibly well. Still a playmaker, still finding the open mates, but his defense is basically nonexistant. To me, that hurts him quite a bit...not counting him out, but I think Kobe is having to do much more for his team than Nash is.

Dirk is playing like a madman this year, and could very well lead his team into and through the Finals. But again, his team is much better than Kobes, not to mention I think Kobe has the bigger and more well known name. Now sure it's not picked by fans, but that's got to factor in somewhat. And to me...I don't think it's that Dirk isnt playing better than Kobe, it's just that Kobe deserves it more.

There are a few others that could be mentioned...Brand being one. But I personally don't believe this award can be given out to anybody BUT Kobe this year. He's just doing so much, with so little. Not to mention he's having a career year...and when you're Kobe Bryant a career year is something that will be talked about for quite some time.
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Taking everything in here is how the top 5 will be voted by the voters.

note: the number behind the player name is the order I would vote them in. I will also add I have a problem with the idea of giving the award to the player with the best stats on the best team.

1. Dirk Nowitzki - 4
In my opinion Dirk winning the MVP is a travesty of biblical proportions (sarcasm), but they way the award has gone for several years, it seems the voters love to vote for the best player who has the reputation as being superstar with the best stats on the team with the best record (notice I didn't say best team). Dirk has the team record and the stats and name recognition to back up this award on paper. However, in my opinion he isn't an MVP calibur player, but the award has become a joke due to the politics involved in the voting.

2. Steve Nash - 3
Steve Nash has done more for this team this year due to necessity then he did last year when he won the MVP. However, Nash already winning is the problem, the voters are not willing to concede that Nash will be mentioned among the likes of Bob Pettit, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-jabbar, Moses Malone, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Karl Malone and Tim Duncan. Plus right or wrong, many consider Nash to simply be the driver behind a good car in D'Antonio's system.

3. Kobe Bryant - 2
The consensus best player in the league, Kobe will finish third out of respect for what he has done this season and for what he has accomplished throughout his career. Kobe has the name, superstar reputation, but doesn't have the team record. In my opinion if his team finished with atleast 45-50 wins the award should be his even if his team didn't have the best record because his name recognition is so powerful. Also, Kobe needs an MVP award to atleast be considered among the top players ever to play the game and it would go along way in saying he is great without Shaq as a well.

4. LeBron James - 1
LeBron James has everything the voters look for in an MVP, a superstar reputation, stats, and a decent team record. However, LeBron will be a victim of age discrimination and will not win the award. The voters will excuse this by saying he is only 21 and has many, many years to win the award.....just not right now, plus they will add his troubles this year with closing out games.


5a. Dwayne Wade - 5
As with LeBron James, Wade has the criteria for an MVP, but he has two major strikes against him, one is the same age discrimination and second is playing with Shaq. Some voters would like to conjecture that Shaq is still the dominant player he was in LA, therefore they will rationalize that Wade benefits from this, which he does, but not at a great rate. Wade's impact is that of an MVP.

5b. Chauncy Billups - 6
Once considered the favorite Chauncy Billups lost this award, due to his teams lack of consistency (as compared to how they started) since the all-star game. The Pistons seem to be coasting until the playoffs start and you can tell in their play. Billups has 2/3 criteria for the award.....he is missing the superstar status, however if his team was still on pace to for 72 wins he probably would be in the top 2 in voting.
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2 weeks ago i got Nash = Dirk.


Right now,Dirk>>>>>>>>>>>>everybody else.


BTW,dont be surprised if they give it to LeBron. :rolleyes:
ralaw said:
3. Kobe Bryant - 2
The consensus best player in the league, Kobe will finish third out of respect for what he has done this season and for what he has accomplished throughout his career. Kobe has the name, superstar reputation, but doesn't have the team record. If his team finished with atleast 45-50 wins (which isn't possible now)
Huh? 7-3 gets them to 45. And they are playing well recently.
As I've said numerous times before:

1) If you give Nash the award last year, you gotta give it to him this year because he's been even better.

2) If the Mavs finish with the #1 seed, my pick is Nowitzki.
How are the Cavs after Hughes went down that much better in terms of talent then the Lakers?

With Hughes you have a case but w/o him, only Z is a Cavalier other then Lebron that would start for the Lakers. Conversely, Odom, Parker, Mihm (at PF) would all start on the Cavs. The Cavs starters include the worst starting PG in the league in Eric Snow and a backcourt that has featured starters such as Sasha Pavlovic and Ira Newble. I know Mihm has been out for the Lakers but AV was out for the Cavs for the 1st part of the season as well. Pretty equivalent terms of talent IMO: and it shows in there record both wildly inconsistent able to beat any give team but also able to lose to any lousy team
Pioneer10 said:
How are the Cavs after Hughes went down that much better in terms of talent then the Lakers?

With Hughes you have a case but w/o him, only Z is a Cavalier other then Lebron that would start for the Lakers. Conversely, Odom, Parker, Mihm (at PF) would all start on the Cavs. The Cavs starters include the worst starting PG in the league in Eric Snow and a backcourt that has featured starters such as Sasha Pavlovic and Ira Newble. I know Mihm has been out for the Lakers but AV was out for the Cavs for the 1st part of the season as well. Pretty equivalent terms of talent IMO: and it shows in there record both wildly inconsistent able to beat any give team but also able to lose to any lousy team
Parker has openly admitted he probably wouldnt be in the LEAUGE right now if it wasnt for Kobe. I doubt he'd be starting. Besides, don't they have Damon backing up snow? Their backup PG is better than the Lakers starter.
Kirk64 said:
Huh? 7-3 gets them to 45. And they are playing well recently.
I'll fix that. Maybe I should have said, "Not likely to happen." I guess we will see what happens. If Kobe gets this team to 45 wins in my opinion the final decision should be between him and LeBron James.
Jameh said:
Parker has openly admitted he probably wouldnt be in the LEAUGE right now if it wasnt for Kobe. I doubt he'd be starting. Besides, don't they have Damon backing up snow? Their backup PG is better than the Lakers starter.
You must be kidding.Damon who?
Jameh said:
Parker has openly admitted he probably wouldnt be in the LEAUGE right now if it wasnt for Kobe. I doubt he'd be starting. Besides, don't they have Damon backing up snow? Their backup PG is better than the Lakers starter.
I disagree, Damon Jones this year has been terrible.
The MVP of the league is Kobe Bryant. He is top 2 or 3 in overall stats, but is the best defender of those three (Wade and LeBron) and has had the most memorable season for his explosive performances (81 in a game, 62 in 3 quarters, 40+ for a whole month, etc). Nobody in the league has come close to doing those type of things this year. The Lakers have overachieved a great deal and Kobe has taken a group of NBDL and 7th man type players outside of Odom to the playoffs in the western conference. He is the consensus best player in the league by a huge margin as well. He is the most talked about player in the league, most loved and most hated. You can't go through one page on this forum without atleast a few Kobe Bryant threads, people are obsessed with his greatness. This season epitomizes Kobe Bryant's greatness.

Other candidates: Dwyane Wade, LeBron James, Elton Brand, Dirk Nowitzki.
What about Paul Pierce? He's leading his team with even less then Kobe. Given, he hasn't lead the team to a 40 win year, he's been a leader for the young players and put up some monster numbers.
ralaw said:
5b. Chauncy Billups - 6
Once considered the favorite Chauncy Billups lost this award, due to his teams lack of consistency (as compared to how they started) since the all-star game. The Pistons seem to be coasting until the playoffs start and you can tell in their play. Billups has 2/3 criteria for the award.....he is missing the superstar status, however if his team was still on pace to for 72 wins he probably would be in the top 2 in voting.
I guess what I don't understand is why the Pistons have such high requirements to meet versus everyone else. Why do the Pistons have to win 72 games and nobody else does? The Pistons still have the best record...
TAllen42 said:
What about Paul Pierce? He's leading his team with even less then Kobe. Given, he hasn't lead the team to a 40 win year, he's been a leader for the young players and put up some monster numbers.
Popularity will kill him. There's little to no hype surrounding him anymore. Ask someone to name a perimeter player and you'll hear 7-8 names before his comes up. It's sad because he's having a great year but team record and a lack of fan support outside of Celtic nation (even within it) will kill his chances.
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xPAGANx said:
I guess what I don't understand is why the Pistons have such high requirements to meet versus everyone else. Why do the Pistons have to win 72 games and nobody else does? The Pistons still have the best record...
You make a valid point that shows the flaw in how the award is voted on. The Pistons started off on such a fast start to begin the season that people felt the need to start talking about who on the team was the engine behind this fast start. Since Billups was playing the best at the time people began to give him credit. However, that credit was contigent on the Pistons winning 70+ games, since they will not be able to do that, the chatter stops and Billlups falls in the voting. Also, in my opinion the Pistons "team slogan" of team basketball first, individual awards second will hurt Billups chances to win the MVP.
Jameh said:
Parker has openly admitted he probably wouldnt be in the LEAUGE right now if it wasnt for Kobe. I doubt he'd be starting. Besides, don't they have Damon backing up snow? Their backup PG is better than the Lakers starter.
Danny Ferry would give his first born for Smush Parker that's how bad the PG spot has been for the Cavaliers.

OBTW Eric Snow AND D. Jones have lower PER numbers than Sasha Vujacic - lol that is pathetic
Dirk gets my vote.

Out of all the Big 5, teams who have a legit shot at the championship (Pistons, Spurs, Mavs, Suns, Heat), Dallas is the only one who has only 1 legit all-star in the lineup. Pistons have their all-star starting 5, Spurs have Duncan/Parker/Manu(to a certain extent), Suns have Nash/Marion, and Heat have Dwyane Wade. All the while Dirk's second mate would either be Terry or Howard.
It's gotta be Dirk Nowitzki.

Although his all-around numbers aren't as impressive as last season, they're not far off and he's improved all of his shooting percentages. He's without a doubt been the leader on his team for the last few seasons and is leading them to one of the best records in the league this season. No one even considered any of his teammates as all-stars, yet they're one of the best teams in the league. The same thing can't be said for other all-star candidates with good records because they all have one or more all-star teammates.

Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce and LeBron James are the only outstanding players that I can think of in a similar position as Dirk. If their teams were performing as well as the Mavs, Spurs, or Pistons, I'd consider them to win MVP. But the way things have gone, Dirk Nowitzki has to be this season's MVP.

MVP = "Most Valuable Player"
Valuable = being of great importance or use or service

It's not necessary for Dirk to avg 25-10-5-2-2 while shooting 50%, 40% and 90% in order be considered the player who's been the most instrumental in leading his team to an excellent season.

The only real criteria for MVP should be being the best player on one of the best teams. This season, it should easily go to Dirk Nowitzki.
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Pioneer10 said:
Danny Ferry would give his first born for Smush Parker that's how bad the PG spot has been for the Cavaliers.

OBTW Eric Snow AND D. Jones have lower PER numbers than Sasha Vujacic - lol that is pathetic
At the start of this season, would you really take the combo PGs of Smush Parker and Sasha over Snow and Damon? Smush is a traveller, got cut by a couple of NBA teams on the course of his career, played in Europe, and NBDL. And who the hell is Sasha Vujacic really? I always thought he has an internship at the Lakers til this season. Snow on the other hand is a proven veteran with steady hands at PG. Damon is a PG who hits 43.2% of his 3-pointers last season, with a fine assist-to-turnover ratio.

Smush and Sasha really aren't the better combo, they are put in a system that suits them. Jones was signed by the Cavs on the basis of the need of good 3-point shooters to surround Lebron and Z. But a team's system does matter to a player's performance, especially to these kind of players, role players. We know can see how Shaq and the Miami system does to Jones, and take notice that the Cavs and Lebron with his whooping 7 assists per game does not fit as well with Jones.

I can go on and on about other Lakers such as Mihm, I mean who is Mihm before he was made a Laker? You see how desperate the Lakers were last season making Mihm their starting center? But hey, it turned out as a career year for him. The Lakers started this season with so much uncertainties.

NOW people talk how Parker is a legitimate NBA starting PG, Mihm a solid center, Brown a solid contributor, and how the Lakers as a team have really come through. But you can't tell me that at the start of the season you would replace all these Cavs with their Lakers counterparts who at the beginning of the season did not even make a lot of experts and analysts play-off list right? Or are you the great Nostradamus who can see the future?

Anyways my MVP pick is either Nash or Kobe. Nash shows that he is the ONE that matters in the SUNS by far, and the absence of Amare doesn't seem to bother the SUNS that bad. Well and Kobe has taken the Lakers above most people pre-season's expectations.
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What does start of the season have to do with anything? No one wanted Boris Diaw at the beginning of the year: now most teams in the league would love to have him.

I also remember a certain Aaron Mckie who was supposed to see significant time for the Lake Show.

That's why they play the games and predictions from the beginning of the year mean squat now. Fact of the matter is Smuch freakin Parker has had a much better year then Eric Snow and D. Jones who statiscally have performed at the Sasha Vujajic level
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