I have to agree with the whole tone of this article. Although Yao's got alot of international experience, especially for a 21 year old, there's no telling just how good he can become in the right situation. I think alot of people are hoping that Houston takes Ming, because the fact is what's best for Yao would be to come to Chicago as a member of the Bulls.
Think about it. He'll be taught by Bill Cartwright and he'll compete in practice every day with Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry. My guess is that Bill knows more about post play than anyone Yao's ever met before. And working out with and competing against Tyson and Eddy in practice will prove to be much more challenging than anything Wang Zhi Zhi and Mengke Bateer could have thrown at him in the past.
How does anyone get better? By being challenged to do their best every day. In Chicago, Cartwright, Chandler and Curry would see to it that Yao becomes everything he's capable of. And in a short time its possible that a Bulls front line of Chandler, Curry and Ming could become every teams' worst nightmare. That's why alot of people may be hoping Yao ends up in Houston.
Dont think that hasnt been in the back of mind because it has. Some things that have been said has me wondering.
JK told Chandler to try some work at sf this summer? Wonder why? More flexible? Maybe. Fizer start at pf? Maybe. Draft ming and have the three headed monster that was talked about this last winter? Ahhh. Maybe so. You have to consider that as something that might happen. Especially if teams keep offering the moon for williams. With some of the deals i see for williams however, so far none of them answer their need for a center imo but thats their problem. Add to all of this the fact that China gave houston a hard time at first. Makes you wonder? China and ming coming out to say they would love for ming to play for us. And imagine what a big deal this would be for china! MJ and the bulls were THE team over there. Think about it for a second, national hero plays for the 6 time world champions the bulls! Would be a dream come true for ming and all the millions of kids and fans over there. Not to mention what the bulls would do in merchandise. But hey, my first choice is williams. But looks like to me ming would not be so bad after all.
Well, I can't find the exact article, but I am sure that I read something about Chandler willing to play any position he was asked to play. I also recall hearing Cartwright say that he wants Chandler to expand his all-around game.
It isn't an exact quote or article, but I do remember reading this....
I heard Krause say it during the interview he did before the lottery. Since Yao and Williams are the consensus #1 and #2 and the Bulls had a shot at the #1 and #2 the interviewer (was it Amahd?) asked Krause about the possibility of drafting Ming. Krause said something to the effect of the big guys shifting over a spot. I know I'm not giving very specific details. Does anyone know if NBC prints transcripts? Krause was probably trying to build up the suspense as to not rule out drafting Ming. I mean, he's not going to say NO WAY! No Ming here.
If Chandler is able to work on his SF skills then I'm not against Ming. Chandler guards Van Horn and Garnett type players anyway.
Imagine if Crawford were under the weather for a game. Starting 5?
PG - Rose
SG - Robinson
C - Ming
I think we have a lot of great options. Including keeping Ming or Williams.
So far sicky the only quote i can find is from a fellow poster. Comptons. He joined here also so maybe we can get him to help us find the article. I looked over the place except the tribune. Its archives has been down for a couple of hours. Anyway, here comptons quote. Comptons maybe you can expound on this. Ok?
In my Sports Illustrated Tyson said, he will work on his offensive game so he can play a lot of sf next season. He wants to be able to play where ever Bill wants to put him.
I guess I wouldn't mind the secound front court. I just want to see Marcus get to be are pf of the future and suceed at it. If we do decide to trade him I would love a front court of Chandler, Curry, and Olokandi.
[ This Message was edited by: comptons on 2002-04-03 22:39 ]
Just for the record, I heard Krause say on the WSCR Radio that Curry and Chandler could move over a spot. Sickey, you are not wrong to ask for a source, after whats gone on at RealGM, I think I have become sloppier. We should shoot for information based on facts with some connection to reality.
I discussed this topic from time to time on that "other board". The argument I always recieved was that were not enough minutes to be had for all three players. And even more annoying the assumption that Ming would have to start. I believe as a rookie he obviously would not start. He would come off the bench and back up the 5 & 4 spots. The 4 I think he could do in some situations depending on match-ups. As for enough minutes to go around that's absurd. At the very worst he if he develops into a spectacular player and we're lucky enough that Curry and Chandler do the same well.....that is not a bad problem to have.
Your right song. Coming here will give us all a chance to sharpen our communication skills again. Boy all those kids at realgm is a nightmare. I answered a post today about a rumor the towel boy said! I cant believe i done that.
Maestro. Not too long ago on the other board we discussed Ming with the bulls. Some people were worried about him not being able to play center. So i asked why does he have to? His game is perimeter. Why not have him play the pf spot similar to the way Wallace, A Walker, H Grant and others in that mold play it? Have him shoot his jumpers on offense. Curry and Chandler could clean up underneath. The real problem would be the guards would have to control the ball and that limits a lot of motion. Im not sure that chandler has enough skills with the dribble yet to have him to handle the ball at SF. Another problem would be defense. Would Ming guard the centers? If so would fouls be a problem like it was for chandler and curry last year? If chandler quick enough to guard sfs? Can Curry guard PFs? If they all can, can you imagine the defense these three might play in the years ahead? Why, they might average 10 blocks a game between all three. Of course all this is speculation. We really wont know whats going to happen at least not yet. But if Francis and Mobley get their way, Williams is drafted to be traded for odom and a pick or both picks. Their reasoning is they lost over 40 games last year by 7 points or less. They conclude that odom will make up the 7 points this year.
I agree with you. My thought is that most likely he will come off the bench for at least the first 2 years. So the need to immediately move or slip Chandler or Curry to the 3 and 4 is ludicrous. If he realy develops, great.
I an certainly not a proponent of taking Ming. Only trying to stay true to the thread.
LUSHAN MOUNTAIN, Jiangxi Province, May 31 (Xinhuanet) -- Future
NBA player Yao Ming led his Chinese team for a 89-74 victory over
Oceanian champion New Zealand at the Lushan Mountain Stadium on
Yao, who is dubbed as one of the best players for the June NBA
draft, scored 25 points and grabbed 11 rebounds, in addition to
his seven blocks in 26:49 minutes playing time.
The 7-6 feet center, 21, got 13 points to give China a 15-11
lead at the start. He was 8-9 from the field, 6-7 on the line, and
even 1-1 from behind the arc as his opponents could have nothing
to stop him inside the paint.
"We're very impressed by Yao Ming. He played a very very good
game tonight," said New Zealand's head coach Thomas Baldwin.
"He is strong and skillful. I saw his potential to play in the
NBA," said New Zealand's center Robert Hichey, who scored 12
points before Yao and China's NBA player Mengke Bateer.
Bateer, who played for Denver Nuggets last season, made an
excellent amend of the absence of Dallas Mavericks' forward Wang
Zhizhi, getting 10 points and eight rebounds in 20 minutes.
Wang is still staying in America after Dallas was wiped off by
the Sacramento Kings at the semi-finals of the NBA's Western
Conference. Team stuff said he would join the national team soon,
but not before the end of the three-game series against New
The younger New Zealanders, who beat Australia for the first
time in 22 years to win the Oceanian championship, did a great job
throughout the match though they trailed for most of the time.
"They played tough, forcing out 24 turnovers and stealing 26
offensive rebounds," said Chinese head coach Wang Fei. "But they
helped us find more weaknesses. I'll have lots of homework before
tomorrow's second meet."
New Zealand had the only lead of the match at the beginning at
7-4 before China took the control. The home team led as much as 87-
66 in the fourth quarter with a powerful dunk of reserve center Mo
Ke, who contributed 19 points.
The two teams will move to Wenzhou, Zhejiang Province to
continue the duel, and will complete the trip in Qinhuangdao,
Hebei Province on Monday. Enditem
With the eyes of the world upon him, the 2.28m (7ft 6in) Chinese giant simply overpowered the Burger King Tall Blacks as his national side defeated their guests 89-74 at Lushan in the first of three tests.
Expected to be the top pick in this month's NBA draft, Yao wiped out any lingering doubts the Kiwis might have had about his claims on that spot, scoring 25 points from 8/9 field goals and 10/11 free throws, claiming 11 rebounds and swatting seven shots from their path.
One of the chinks in his armour was supposed to be a reluctance to take the ball strongly to the basket on offence, but he slammed home four monstrous dunks among his 11 first-quarter points to blow that theory right out the door early.
"We certainly have to keep him further away from the basket," observed Tall Black coach Tab Baldwin afterwards. "When he's close to the hoop, he is unstoppable for us.
"He actually surprised us with how strong he was in his lower body and how he uses that strength to get through our defence. We obviously need to use strength against strength more."
The Tall Blacks sprang out to an early 9-6 lead behind some defiant work from centre Robert Hickey. At that stage, the Kiwi centre, standing 18cm shorter than his opponent, was actually outscoring Yao, courtesy of a nifty little left-hand hook shot and a couple of baskets from behind the defence.
But as Yao spread his wings, the Chinese went on a 12-2 run to grab a lead they would never lose again.
Trailing 15-23 after one quarter, New Zealand drew within five points soon after the break, the closest they would get for the rest of the match, and quickly had China's lone NBA player on duty, Mengke Bateer, in foul trouble.
But any chance they had of remaining in contact suffered from wayward shooting throughout the court, but especially from the charity stripe. The Tall Blacks conspired to miss five consecutive free throws at one stage and reached halftime 36-47 behind with a woeful 7/15 success rate.
They again drew first blood in the third quarter, naturalised America Ed Book somehow winning the jump ball off Yao and Phill Jones converting a layup. But three three-pointers from Li Nan (two) and, who else, Yao again allowed the Chinese out to a 21-point advantage, their biggest of the match.
If there was a sliver of hope for the Kiwis, it came in the final quarter, which they won 20-18 to close the final margin to 15 points, the exact difference last time these two teams met at the Sydney Olympics. Considering the 26 hours' travel to get to Lushan, the surprisingly physical style of the Chinese and the Tall Blacks' terrible shooting percentages (31% FG, 14% 3pt and 46% FT), the result was probably respectable.
It left a lot of room for improvement, though.
"It was our first game in a long time with a relatively new team," said Baldwin. "The best thing for us is we know we can improve significantly on that game and we will learn a from that defeat.
"We will come back tomorrow very determined."
Jones led the Tall Blacks' scoring with 15 points, including three treys, while Hickey had 14 and Book 12. Captain Pero Cameron and point guard Mark Dickel, two who need to contribute if their team are to compete, shot a combined 2/16 from the field.
After Yao, Mo Ke chimed in with 19 points, while Mengke and Li had 10 apiece.
"We didn't play with a purpose," Baldwin told his team. "That game just occurred and we were part of it.
"These Chinese are beatable."
Assume for a minute that Krause wants no part of Ming.
If this is the case, it is definetely to Krause's advantage to make Houston think that he will take Ming. Otherwise, if no other compelling offers for Ming were on the table, Houston could drop to #3, pick up a little something and still get Ming.
At 1.98m and 120kg,you wouldn't usually consider the New Zealand captain "little", but in such lofty company, he could not fairly be described as a giant either. He gives up a foot (30cm) in height to Yao and in Mengke, faces an opponent at least as strong.
None of that mattered as he battled, at various times, both Chinese stars to a standstill in a very physical encounter that produced a total of 66 fouls.
After watching his side lose to the home team by 15 the previous night, Tall Black coach Tab Baldwin decided to switch assignments on defence, assigning Cameron to battle Mengke and Yao for prime position under the basket. Yao, especially, had waltzed the taller Kiwis Ed Book and Robert Hickey around the keyhole almost at will 24 hours earlier, and Baldwin was determined he should not have his way so easily again.
Cameron had had a quiet game by his standards in the first test, scoring only three points from 1/11 field-goal shooting. But this time he rose to the task of banging heads, hips, elbows and other sundry body parts with such elite company.
With his captain matching up against the Chinese centres, Baldwin also resolved to use a small lineup far more in an effort to beat the home team up the floor and wear them down. With this philosophy, the Tall Blacks seized the first significant break of the game at 17-12 in the first quarter and trailed by just two (25-27) at the end of the period.
Curiously, Yao was subbed out of the game early and would not re-enter until he and Bateer appeared oncourt together for the first time in the series just before halftime.
But the visitors' game plan fell to pieces in the second quarter as they allowed the Chinese to compile 17 unanswered points, spearheaded by a pair of consecutive three pointers from Li Nan.
"That second quarter was all about lack of discipline," a disgusted Baldwin would tell his team later.
Behind 45-60 at the break, the Tall Blacks fell 20 behind against more pinpoint accuracy from beyond the arc and conversion of free-throw chances. But Cameron, who had just two points from a couple of free throws in the first half, compiled 15 in the third period and with longtime ally Judd Flavell, triggered a 14-4 run that had his team back in the hunt at 72-84 with a quarter to play.
A key to the Kiwis' better showing was their better shooting from the line. In the first test, they had succeeded with just 13/28 FT (46%); this time, they went 23/29 (78%).
Unfortunately, their physical approach to this match gave the Chinese 50 free throws, of which they converted 38 (76%). In the fourth quarter, as Book fouled out, the Asian champions went 16/21 from the charity stripe to seal the game.
Three-pointers from Cameron (two), Terrence Lewis (two), Flavell and Paul Henare allowed the Tall Blacks to close within seven points near the end, but it was too little too late.
Lewis finished with 18 points, including four three pointers, while Nan led the Chinese with 22 points.
When selecting the team to tour China, Baldwin had picked a roster he described as "combative" and they had certainly proved that. He was unwilling to accept any defeat as honourable, though.
"Whatever we did better tonight wasn't good enough," he told his troops. "That's the bottom line. We must play much better.
"But we showed that we learned and if we can learn that much in one day, we can learn more in the next two."
The Burger King Tall Blacks face China in the third and final test on Monday (June 3) at Qinhuangdao.
China 111 (Li Nan 22, Yao Ming 19, Mengke Bateer 15, Cheng Ke 13, Liu Wei 11)
Burger King Tall Blacks 101 (Pero Cameron 25, Terrence Lewis 18, Mark Dickel 10, Judd Flavell 10)
This is hoopsworld we re talking about so dont take it too seriously but this is the latest of whats being talked about in the Houston/ming story. Article by the rocket guy and tom house. Scroll halfway down and you will see this:
"There are so many rumors out there about what the Rockets will do on June 26th that it's hard to keep up with them all, but the two most intriguing rumors come from New York and Philadelphia. The Knicks continue to aggressively pursue the right to draft Yao Ming, and have sweetened the pot to include Latrell Sprewell and Kurt Thomas. Sprewell would fill the void the Rockets have at small forward and Thomas give them the rebounding presence they currently lack."
"Meanwhile, the Sixers have opened up talks involving Dikembe Mutombo, saying they need to acquire some scoring threats and will deal Mutombo to get a more offense oriented front court player. Can you say Yao Ming? Rumor has it that the Sixers are speaking with the Warriors and Rockets, among other teams, about trading the defensive minded Mutombo in exchange for some offensive firepower. The Sixers feel Yao Ming would be a good fit, and would even be willing to take Glen Rice off our hands in the process. If Rice can get healthy, he might be able to help the Sixers get back some of what they lost when George Lynch shipped out."
Don't say it: You're sick of the subject already. But Slate magazine published a cogent essay last week on Yao Ming, written by a fellow named Robert Weintraub, the producer for the "Asian Basketball Show" who claims to have seen the Chinese center "outplayed more times than I'd like to remember." And since this is the month in which you can't take anything a GM says seriously, you might be interested in hearing what he has to say.
Weintraub wrote, "I can still close my eyes and see him being dominated by Korean big-man Seo Jang Hoon, a player lifeless enough to earn the nickname 'The Tin Man.' I remember the Lebanese national team bullying around the Chinese Tower of Glower until the game ended in an ugly brawl (with one Chinese player wielding a pair of scissors). And I vividly recall the Sydney Olympics, where Yao made his reputation off two early rejections of overaggressive Dream Teamers, but then picked up four quick fouls and found himself on the bench."
His conclusion: "Yao won't be a complete bust. On the big-man scale, he still comes up north of Gheorghe Muresan. I also like him better than the player he's inevitably compared to, Shawn Bradley, if only because Yao is a better athlete and younger than the Mormon Mosquito when he came to the NBA. But he'll never approach Rik Smits' achievements, such as they were."
Weintraub also predicts a long and frustrating battle to gain Yao's loyalty for the team that selects him, and claims that it is a battle that the team cannot win.
"Even if (the NBA team) works out a short-term arrangement for Yao to spend off-season time with the national club, the Chinese government is likely to want to change the deal at any time, depending on shifts in the political wind," Weintraub wrote. "Unlike European players, Yao is hard-wired to do what the motherland tells him to. This, after all, is someone who has credited his size and uniqueness to China's one-child-per-family policy. Should he forget his upbringing, entities in China will waste little time in reminding him -- by increasing tax rates in his family's neighborhood, by making it difficult for friends and family to obtain visas in order to see him play, or by simply barring him from representing China in any fashion (a fate that befell poor Ma Jian, who played at the University of Utah and dared to try out for the Utah Jazz without permission from above)."
The reason for this, of course, is that the Chinese government couldn't care less about Yao's success in the NBA. Its only agenda is to get back a better player so that China can contend for a medal at the 2008 Olympics in Beijing. If his performance here reflects well on China, that's fine. But if he helps the Houston Rockets win a title and China keeps losing its international competitions, "that would be an intolerable trade-off," Weintraub says.
Scroll about three quarter of the way down and you will fine this:
No more projects.The Houston Rockets are leaning toward snatching 7-foot-5 center Yao Ming of China with the first pick of this month's draft, and they are seeking the support of Philly native Cuttino Mobley and franchise player Steve Francis. Francis and Mobley have other ideas.
"I'd rather us work out a deal to get someone like [Los Angeles Clippers forward] Lamar Odom," Mobley said.
"I don't want another project, having to be patient in watching someone develop. Me and Steve have been going through that long enough. If Ming is ready to come and contribute, I'm all for it. Even though he's skinny, he's got really thick calves and thighs, and I like that. Plus, he throws a tremendous outlet pass, which will help our fastbreak. But if he's not ready, we need to get somebody that's ready."
Well, im sure houston management appreciates this! While they are trying to iron out things with China, articles like this appear in the newpaper. Wonder what china thinks about this?