Noah #1?......LoL...
My Top 14+ some....who are yours?
1. Joakim Noah - His motor, rebound anticipation, shot blocking ability, ball handling, and athleticism puts him on another level.
2. Andrea Bargnani - Seems really skilled from the little I have seen of him and is produciing in the pros already.
3. Tyrus Thomas - Off the charts athleticism, fluid, good hands, and shot blocker supreme.
4. LaMarcus Aldridge - Lacks the athleticism to have the high ceiling but is very good.
5. Tiago Splitter - I think his buyout issues will be solved by draft day.
6. Adam Morrison - Will not be a star but capable of contributing in the right situation.
7. Rudy Gay - Drifts a little too much. Somebody might fall in love with his athleticism but at best he is AI2 IMO.
8. Rodney Carney - Really needs an uptempo offense and a good PG to take advantage of his speed. Great finisher and very good shooter.
9. Shelden Williams - Going to probably start from day 1. Not spectacular but solid and capable on both ends of the court.
10. Marcus Williams (UCONN) - Has a tendency to try to make the spectacular play when the fundamental play is better. Reminds me a lot of Jamaal Tinsley and that ain't bad at all.
11. Josh McRoberts - Good athlete for his size. Aggressive around the rim with decent skills. Under the radar at Duke as JJ and Sheldon did the heavy lifting.
12. Randy Foye - Probably the best perimeter scorer in the draft. Explosive but might be a tweener.
13. Brandon Roy - Steady prototypical NBA SG. Needs to add some muscle and some range. Not a top notch athlete but decent.
14. Patrick O'Bryant - He is 7' tall and can catch and finish. Good rebounder. Needs some conditioning. The right agent and workout program can get him in the top 5.
Best of the rest
15. Ronnie Brewer
16. Shawne Williams *
17. Mardy Collins
18. Josh Boone
19. Marcus Williams (UA)
20. Ronald Steele *
21. Glen Davis *
22. Hilton Armstrong
23. Richard Roby
24. Quincy Douby
25. JJ Reddick
26. Rajon Rondo
*Pure speculation that these guys will come out.
Still need to watch some video on the Euros most likely to be in the draft.
2. Andrea Bargnani - Seems really skilled from the little I have seen of him and is produciing in the pros already.
3. Tyrus Thomas - Off the charts athleticism, fluid, good hands, and shot blocker supreme.
4. LaMarcus Aldridge - Lacks the athleticism to have the high ceiling but is very good.
5. Tiago Splitter - I think his buyout issues will be solved by draft day.
6. Adam Morrison - Will not be a star but capable of contributing in the right situation.
7. Rudy Gay - Drifts a little too much. Somebody might fall in love with his athleticism but at best he is AI2 IMO.
8. Rodney Carney - Really needs an uptempo offense and a good PG to take advantage of his speed. Great finisher and very good shooter.
9. Shelden Williams - Going to probably start from day 1. Not spectacular but solid and capable on both ends of the court.
10. Marcus Williams (UCONN) - Has a tendency to try to make the spectacular play when the fundamental play is better. Reminds me a lot of Jamaal Tinsley and that ain't bad at all.
11. Josh McRoberts - Good athlete for his size. Aggressive around the rim with decent skills. Under the radar at Duke as JJ and Sheldon did the heavy lifting.
12. Randy Foye - Probably the best perimeter scorer in the draft. Explosive but might be a tweener.
13. Brandon Roy - Steady prototypical NBA SG. Needs to add some muscle and some range. Not a top notch athlete but decent.
14. Patrick O'Bryant - He is 7' tall and can catch and finish. Good rebounder. Needs some conditioning. The right agent and workout program can get him in the top 5.
Best of the rest
15. Ronnie Brewer
16. Shawne Williams *
17. Mardy Collins
18. Josh Boone
19. Marcus Williams (UA)
20. Ronald Steele *
21. Glen Davis *
22. Hilton Armstrong
23. Richard Roby
24. Quincy Douby
25. JJ Reddick
26. Rajon Rondo
*Pure speculation that these guys will come out.
Still need to watch some video on the Euros most likely to be in the draft.
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Basically most of this are the guys that played well in the NCAA tournament, what about those that didnt get a chance to show off their stuff or those whose teams were eliminated early.
noah 1st, ok for me , oh he's french, what a surprise ...... 
God that's a sad draft. Not an all-star in the entire bunch, without knowing about the foriegn born players, beyond Splitter. And I'm not sold on Splitter. But the track record of brazillian big men isn't bad in the NBA. If he's half as good as Anderson Verejao he deserves to be a lottery pick in this weak *** draft.
Pure hate here folks.
Pure hate here folks.
Well I can tell you, I watch Marcus Williams and wonder how the hell is he going to turn the corner in the NBA. I think he's going to be a bust after looking at his quickness. His ability to penetrate will be a big key.
Is Deron's athleticism really any better than Williams? I think they are comperable.HKF said:Well I can tell you, I watch Marcus Williams and wonder how the hell is he going to turn the corner in the NBA. I think he's going to be a bust after looking at his quickness. His ability to penetrate will be a big key.
Deron is a much better talent. Yes, his athleticism is better. Deron can actually get up and throw down with two hands and his ability to turn the corner on a defender has never been questioned. Marcus looks slow.sov82 said:Is Deron's athleticism really any better than Williams? I think they are comperable.
I agree Deron's athleticism is better than Williams but I am not sure that its far and away better. Then again, thats why Deron was the #3 pick in an average draft. Williams will be a late lottery pick in a poor draft.HKF said:Deron is a much better talent. Yes, his athleticism is better. Deron can actually get up and throw down with two hands and his ability to turn the corner on a defender has never been questioned. Marcus looks slow.
Someone's going to take a point guard in the lottery. Probably 2 teams will. Who else do you take? Foye and Williams will be the picks, with Williams being the only true PG.
The 2005 draft was an average draft? It hasn't even been a full season.sov82 said:I agree Deron's athleticism is better than Williams but I am not sure that its far and away better. Then again, thats why Deron was the #3 pick in an average draft. Williams will be a late lottery pick in a poor draft.
And so far its been average. Yes, you are right that the ratings may turn out to be different 3 years from now. So far, the returns have been average.HKF said:The 2005 draft was an average draft? It hasn't even been a full season.
I called this draft poor and it hasn't even happened yet. Again, maybe it will turn out to be an excellent draft. As of right now, the draft isn't that deep and there isn't a sure fire all-star on the board. That doesn't mean that there won't be all-stars.
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I don't see what is inconceivable about Noah at #1. He's been pretty impressive and has great skills and athleticism for a guy his size. Really it seems like right now there are 5-6 guys who could all go #1.
I don't see what is inconceivable about Noah at #1. He's been pretty impressive and has great skills and athleticism for a guy his size. Really it seems like right now there are 5-6 guys who could all go #1.
Get that Florida mess outta here!!
01. LaMarcus Aldridge, F/C, Texas -- Despite today's game, I still believe that he's the top prospect in the draft. The potential to effect the game on both sides of the court is there. He does need to get stronger, but what prospect these days doesn't need to get stronger?
02. Tyrus Thomas, F, LSU -- He's pretty much a guaranteed top 5 pick if he declares, and now that LSU is in the Final Four, I think he will make the jump. He is a couple of years away from being the player he has the potential to be, but this guy is a game changer defensively. Anytime you see a guy with game changing ability, you have to rate him high.
03. Rudy Gay, F, Connecticut -- A lot of people are down on him, and for good reason. He is still a guy that has great athleticism, length, can shoot the ball from the perimeter, plays above the rim, is good in transition, and is a good perimeter defender. The upside is there, but the mentality isn't right now.
04. Joakim Noah, F/C, Florida -- This guy makes me think of Pau Gasol when I see him play. Much like Pau, Joakim is a tall, lanky, athletic player that brings multiple skills to the table. He's a great open court player that has shown tremendous shot blocking and passing skills. Will he rebound at the next level?
05. Rodney Carney, G/F, Memphis -- He's not the most cerebral player, but he's athletic as hell, has a great jump shot from the perimeter, and can create his own shot. I hate to use the Richard Jefferson comparison since nbadraft.net uses it, but it is a comparison that fits. Carney isn't quite as strong as Jefferson was coming out of Arizona though.
06. Brandon Roy, G, Washington -- He's the best pure shooting guard in the draft, IMO. I love his all around skills. He will be able to bring the ball up at times, shoots well from the perimeter, can get into the lane, is an excellent ball handler, and can defend on the perimeter. He may never be a star, but he will make an immediate impact in the NBA.
07. Adam Morrison, F, Gonzaga -- He is going to be a good, not great, player. Adam has the gift of being an instinctive scorer, so he's going to be able to get his shot off at the next level. I just don't see him creating a lot for himself. I love the high release point on his jump shot and his ability to get his shot off in the lane. However, he couldn't defend at chair right now, is very slow footed, and will not fit well on a team that wants to get up and down the floor.
08. Randy Foye, G, Villanova -- He's the Dwyane Wade/Ben Gordon of this draft. A gifted scorer with good size, he also has the ability to handle the ball, bring the ball up the court, and get his teammates involved. Foye is an outstanding defender. He's a combo guard that may have to play the point in the NBA.
09. Ronald Steele, G, Alabama -- He probably won't declare, but he's the best ball handler and and penetrator of the point guards I've seen. He's a great athlete, lightening quick, and is a leader. He makes his teammates better. Alabama is a losing team without this guy.
10. Marcus Williams, G, Connecticut -- He makes me think of Andre Miller and Deron Williams. Great court vision, passing skills, and leadership. During the tournament, he has done a better job of finishing his shot, whether it is from the perimeter or in the paint, and he has shown the ability to get to the free throw line. He makes his teammates better.
11. Jordan Farmar, G, UCLA -- Another true point guard that is a leader. He's a good on the ball defender with great court vision and adequate athletic ability. He's a little inconsistent with his jumper. Good passer that gets the ball to the right spot.
12. Mardy Collins, G, Temple -- There were times where I wondered if the offense he was in at Temple never allowed him to showcase his ability. He's similar to Brandon Roy in that he can do a lot of things. Good zone defender on the perimeter. Excellent ball handler and passer. Leader.
13. Kyle Lowry, G, Villanova -- He probably won't declare, but he's got a lot of potential as a point guard. Tremendous on the ball defender and penetrator. He's got good court vision, excellent ball handling skills, and quick hands. Tough. I haven't seen his perimeter offense though, and that's the reason he doesn't rank in the top ten.
14. Patrick O'Bryant, C, Bradley -- A true seven footer with athleticism. He's a project though. He needs to get stronger and become a better rebounder overall. Good shot blocker and has shown flashes of good offensive ability in the post.
NOTE: I haven't rated the European guys because I haven't seen any of them play.
02. Tyrus Thomas, F, LSU -- He's pretty much a guaranteed top 5 pick if he declares, and now that LSU is in the Final Four, I think he will make the jump. He is a couple of years away from being the player he has the potential to be, but this guy is a game changer defensively. Anytime you see a guy with game changing ability, you have to rate him high.
03. Rudy Gay, F, Connecticut -- A lot of people are down on him, and for good reason. He is still a guy that has great athleticism, length, can shoot the ball from the perimeter, plays above the rim, is good in transition, and is a good perimeter defender. The upside is there, but the mentality isn't right now.
04. Joakim Noah, F/C, Florida -- This guy makes me think of Pau Gasol when I see him play. Much like Pau, Joakim is a tall, lanky, athletic player that brings multiple skills to the table. He's a great open court player that has shown tremendous shot blocking and passing skills. Will he rebound at the next level?
05. Rodney Carney, G/F, Memphis -- He's not the most cerebral player, but he's athletic as hell, has a great jump shot from the perimeter, and can create his own shot. I hate to use the Richard Jefferson comparison since nbadraft.net uses it, but it is a comparison that fits. Carney isn't quite as strong as Jefferson was coming out of Arizona though.
06. Brandon Roy, G, Washington -- He's the best pure shooting guard in the draft, IMO. I love his all around skills. He will be able to bring the ball up at times, shoots well from the perimeter, can get into the lane, is an excellent ball handler, and can defend on the perimeter. He may never be a star, but he will make an immediate impact in the NBA.
07. Adam Morrison, F, Gonzaga -- He is going to be a good, not great, player. Adam has the gift of being an instinctive scorer, so he's going to be able to get his shot off at the next level. I just don't see him creating a lot for himself. I love the high release point on his jump shot and his ability to get his shot off in the lane. However, he couldn't defend at chair right now, is very slow footed, and will not fit well on a team that wants to get up and down the floor.
08. Randy Foye, G, Villanova -- He's the Dwyane Wade/Ben Gordon of this draft. A gifted scorer with good size, he also has the ability to handle the ball, bring the ball up the court, and get his teammates involved. Foye is an outstanding defender. He's a combo guard that may have to play the point in the NBA.
09. Ronald Steele, G, Alabama -- He probably won't declare, but he's the best ball handler and and penetrator of the point guards I've seen. He's a great athlete, lightening quick, and is a leader. He makes his teammates better. Alabama is a losing team without this guy.
10. Marcus Williams, G, Connecticut -- He makes me think of Andre Miller and Deron Williams. Great court vision, passing skills, and leadership. During the tournament, he has done a better job of finishing his shot, whether it is from the perimeter or in the paint, and he has shown the ability to get to the free throw line. He makes his teammates better.
11. Jordan Farmar, G, UCLA -- Another true point guard that is a leader. He's a good on the ball defender with great court vision and adequate athletic ability. He's a little inconsistent with his jumper. Good passer that gets the ball to the right spot.
12. Mardy Collins, G, Temple -- There were times where I wondered if the offense he was in at Temple never allowed him to showcase his ability. He's similar to Brandon Roy in that he can do a lot of things. Good zone defender on the perimeter. Excellent ball handler and passer. Leader.
13. Kyle Lowry, G, Villanova -- He probably won't declare, but he's got a lot of potential as a point guard. Tremendous on the ball defender and penetrator. He's got good court vision, excellent ball handling skills, and quick hands. Tough. I haven't seen his perimeter offense though, and that's the reason he doesn't rank in the top ten.
14. Patrick O'Bryant, C, Bradley -- A true seven footer with athleticism. He's a project though. He needs to get stronger and become a better rebounder overall. Good shot blocker and has shown flashes of good offensive ability in the post.
NOTE: I haven't rated the European guys because I haven't seen any of them play.
I just realized that I left off Shelden Williams and Ronnie Brewer by accident. Disregard my list. I've got to go back to the drawing board, plus I'm thinking about putting Tyrus Thomas at #1.
Whether or not you think Noah will go #1 if he comes out, he's far and away the most versatile big man in America. In terms of skill set, he runs the floor better than any big man, and he's ten times the passer Aldridge is.
Ever heard of James AugustineYoYoYoWasup said:Whether or not you think Noah will go #1 if he comes out, he's far and away the most versatile big man in America. In terms of skill set, he runs the floor better than any big man, and he's ten times the passer Aldridge is.
Yep, Noah's better.Hbwoy said:Ever heard of James Augustine
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