Professional and College Basketball Forums banner

1 - 20 of 21 Posts

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
17,419 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Commissioner Roger Goodell said Thursday the NFL's competition committee would consider in the offseason replacing the kickoff. The league previously had moved the kickoff from the 30- to 35-yard line to cut down on violent collisions.

Goodell and Rich McKay, the head of the league's competition committee, discussed an idea brought up by Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano in which a team, instead of kicking off, would get the ball at its own 30-yard line in a fourth-and-15 situation. The team then would punt the ball away or, to replace an onside kick, could go for it and, if it failed to get a first down, the opposing squad would start with great field position.

"The fact is, it's a much different end of the play," Goodell said during the meeting, according to Time magazine.

Speaking about the potential change before Thursday night's Raiders-Broncos game in Oakland, Calif., the commissioner said, "I thought it was an interesting idea. The committee will look at it."

Schiano discussed his idea earlier this season in an ESPN The Magazine story. Schiano, who was the coach at Rutgers in 2010 when Eric LeGrand was paralyzed on a kickoff, has seen first-hand how the play can adversely affect the safety of players.

LeGrand broke two vertebrae and suffered a serious spinal cord injury in October 2010 during a kickoff return against Army. He became an inspiration to his college teammates, eventually being able to stand upright with the help of a metal frame.

Schiano told ESPN The Magazine in September that he believed kickoffs eventually would be eliminated from pro football.

"I believe that day will come," he said. "Unfortunately, it will probably take more players being seriously hurt. But I think there's another way to do this."

The NFL already has been working to make kickoffs safer.

Last season, the NFL moved kickoffs from the 30-yard line to the 35 and required the coverage unit to start within 5 yards of the ball, closing the distance between the teams. Both rules had their desired effects. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, 16.4 percent of kickoffs led to touchbacks in 2010; last year it was 43.5 percent. The NFL found that players suffered 40 percent fewer concussions on kickoffs in 2011, McKay told ESPN The Magazine.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8720551/roger-goodell-says-nfl-competition-committee-consider-eliminating-kickoffs

 

·
Jesus Shuttlesworth
Joined
·
17,071 Posts
Don't let this man ruin football.

This will forever mess up the stat books. Every offensive stat is going to have to have an asterick saying *since 2014 when NFL ended kickoffs
 

·
KVBL Champion
Joined
·
7,108 Posts
This is the same guy who tells his players to kill the QB on kneel downs at the end of the game.
 

·
Limehouse Blues
Joined
·
26,988 Posts
Someone was telling me about this yesterday. I stared at him blankly for a long time, because I couldn't believe that anyone was contemplating anything this dumb. I really thought he was just ****ing with me.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
70,380 Posts
Guess I'm in the minority, don't have a big problem with this.

What % of all kick offs are touchbacks or end up around the 20 anyway? It's got to be high. Don't think this would change the game as much as you think.
 

·
Limehouse Blues
Joined
·
26,988 Posts
The % of touchbacks was increased monumentally when they moved the spot of the kickoff to the 35. That largely took returns out of the game by itself. I wonder if you could get some engineers together and design a K ball that would go 5 or 10 % further. If you did that it would eliminate the return game by itself.
 

·
And Justise For All
Joined
·
64,271 Posts
 

·
Come At Me Bro
Joined
·
6,946 Posts
Guess I'm in the minority, don't have a big problem with this.

What % of all kick offs are touchbacks or end up around the 20 anyway? It's got to be high. Don't think this would change the game as much as you think.
I'm close to ATLien w/ this. Given the NFL's current stance, it isn't much of a change. They probably shouldn't do it now, b/c the shock would be too great, but after a few more years of watching guys attempting to return a kickoff 10 yards into the end zone, only to return it to the 12 and suffer an injury, people will warm to the idea.

They are basically turning kickoffs into punts. Punt returns are already more exciting than kickoffs anyway. I'm assuming the NFL considers punts safer b/c there's a line of scrimmage instead of guys running up and down unimpeded.

I'd also rather have roster slots for actual bench players who can sub in for the increasingly injured starters than kickoff team specialists.

My only true objection at this point is punting from your 30 might give the other team overly generous field position. If you move the ball up to the 40, the receiving team would be in a position to catch the ball near their goal line and return the punt. But then if a team successfully converts an "onside punt", they have the ball from the other teams 45 instead of their own 45. Whether there exists a spot on the field that is fair to both the kicking and receiving team, I'm not sure.
 

·
Not Just Dumb, Aggie Dumb
Joined
·
18,849 Posts
I'm with ATLien with this not bothering me. I also don't see Marcus' point as to how this changes offensive records.
 

·
Come At Me Bro
Joined
·
6,946 Posts
If it significantly altered starting positions, I could see the perception of offensive records changing. If they do it, they have to make sure the line of scrimmage is set at a place that doesn't drastically impact the starting position of an offense, or the position of an onside kick recovery.
 

·
Not Just Dumb, Aggie Dumb
Joined
·
18,849 Posts
Avg Starting Field Position
After Kickoff
2011 22.1
2010 26.8
2009 26.4
2008 27.2
2007 28.1

The avg net yardage on a punt is about 40, so punting from your own 30 would put the ball, on average, at the opposing 30.
 

·
KVBL Champion
Joined
·
7,108 Posts
"Alright everyone let's get ready for the opening punt of Superbowl XLVIII!"

Doesn't have the same ring to it.
 

·
I want Waffles.
Joined
·
19,935 Posts
Dont worry soon defenses are gonna have to count to 7 Mississippi's before they can rush the QB so he doesnt get hurt
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
17,419 Posts
Discussion Starter #18
I'm with ATLien with this not bothering me. I also don't see Marcus' point as to how this changes offensive records.
I think I can see his point. In theory, lets say some team has the most unstoppable offense this league has ever seen, so unstoppable that they have a realistic chance of converting any 4th and 15. They score, convert on the onside punt, and score again. Rinse, lather, repeat. So it would leave open the possibility that the defending team could never have possession of the ball if they are unable to stop a team on the 4th and 15 or the following. Said offense would put up video game like numbers which would have effect on offensive records.

Again, this is all theory, but this is the big hole I see in Schiano's idea.
 

·
Not Just Dumb, Aggie Dumb
Joined
·
18,849 Posts
I think I can see his point. In theory, lets say some team has the most unstoppable offense this league has ever seen, so unstoppable that they have a realistic chance of converting any 4th and 15. They score, convert on the onside punt, and score again. Rinse, lather, repeat. So it would leave open the possibility that the defending team could never have possession of the ball if they are unable to stop a team on the 4th and 15 or the following. Said offense would put up video game like numbers which would have effect on offensive records.

Again, this is all theory, but this is the big hole I see in Schiano's idea.
The hypothetical team that can do that is already going to crush every offensive record.
 

·
KVBL Champion
Joined
·
7,108 Posts
The forward pass changed offensive records too.
 
1 - 20 of 21 Posts
Top