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Look in my opinion their is just too many teams in the NBA. When guys like Evan Eschmeyer, Shawn Bradley, Jim McIlvaine,Eric Montross,Vitaly Potapenko,Kelvin Cato, Keith Van Horn, Calvin Booth, Vin Baker, Shawn Kemp, etc are getting these huge deals and long term multi million dollar contracts, it just does not make sense. Their is just not enough talent to go round. Lakers bench, Madsen, Hunter,Medvedenko,Walker, etc is shocking. Bulls bench, Guyton, Bagarac,Richardson, etc Grizzlies bench, Long, Massenburg, Anderson, Knight, etc. Why is it that on each team there are so many shocking players??Why do these players always get huge long term deals when they are stiffs??Also, why when one team signs a player to a long term huge contract, do they then try and trade him because his contract is too large?? Hello, you guys signed him so you stop complaining!The benches of NBA teams are so bad it is just not funny. the starters cannot take a breather before the bench guys have gotten the team in a huge hole.Teams need to look at this factor and look at ways to generate more depth in their team!
 

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Expansion has watered down teams in every sport. Guess its just the way it is these days:sigh:
 

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In Baseball also, they all demand more money, I mean what does a basketball/baseball player do to make the world better? Why don't they pay store stockers a million per day??? Or how about the teachers here in MA, there will be a lot fired before next years starts.
Do you know what they have offered all the teachers for next year???
The school board gave them a 0% increase!!!
And there you see a baseball/basketball player get millions and millions a year. That just sad.
 

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I also think they should make a NBA 2, another league like they have in soccer, they have teams get promoted and reglated, so some teams could go into the "Second Division" and others can get promoted into the "First Division", that would be awsome. What do you guys think???
 

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Lockout??

Yeah, you know what with guys like Olowokandi, Ricky davis, etc wanting these long term deals for playing well for one month I would not be surprised if we see another lockout like in 1998-1999. I mean the buck has got to stop somewhere doesn't it. In about 10 years time a player like Travis Best could command up to $8 million a year. For what?? I mean he is not Shaq, he cannot dominate and take over a game like the real superstars like Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, etc. But this is going to happen. everyone wants the max nowadays and loyalty towards a team counts for nothing anymore, they just want too much money! the market is saying this is what the players are getting, but the last time i checked the market did not say that salaries are going to go down. i understand that the Knicks are a rich team and can afford to pax the luxury tax, but why??? ward, Houston, jackson, Eisly, Weatherspoon, Spencer,Knight, is just appalling. Anyone that put that team together does not have a f'ucking clue about basketball. The funny thing is they have to pay the luxury tax for signing these joke players. they are really screwed a prime example of what i am talking about!!!
 

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Not a good idea. That way it would be more competitive, every game would mean a lot more, but then again teams like the Nets wouldn't be this good this year, because they would have to win the NBA 2 one year, get bumped up, and then have to win in the NBA.

I wouldn't mind expanding the pre-season to around 32 games, and the top say 20 teams make it to the NBA and the other 9 teams (soon to be 10 [Charlotte]) would play in the "NBA 2" for the season. However, every team would have a chance at making the NBA the next year, regardless of record.
 

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Just to let u know,Kemp and Baker were AWESOME/SUPER-STAR players before they got those HUGE paydays:yes:!It WASNT until after they got their $DUCKET'S$ that they became FAT,COKED UP AND DEPRESSED,LOL!

It was only a year and a 1/2 ago that Kemp was putting up 18pts and 10reb a night with the Cavs,what happened to u REIGN MAN:confused:?
 

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Like kingofkings said the knicks are a rich team, and I have no problem if a rich team would like to pay their players millions of $, but then the top players would want to go to the big teams with the money so they can earn what they deserve. The NBA should put a limit to how much the maximum for a player is. Its just rediclues
 

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Baker/Kemp

But i would have thought it was the teams duty to monitor the players performance, weight, etc. When they signed them,or traded for them with all their contracts, the team should not complain about how bad they are, etc and try to hope that another team will pick up their problem. the teams should heve better counselling, structures in place, to enable the players to maintain their high standards. I mean isn't it the coaches duty to motivate the players?? if Baker does not want to perform, degrade him to his face, get inside his head and demand a performance out of him. That is the coaches job to get the best out of their players in my opinion!!!
 

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Oh well

That's the way the game goes.
 

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I liked everyting you said kingofkings, but would you limit a player like Shaq to a salary of under 15 million. I think they need to do something like this and also enforce the salary cap more. Neither of which are going to happen because of how much money basketball generates in TV deals. Its almost a lost cause because of all the TV stations fighting over the rights to air the games and are paying outragous amounts of money to air them.
Didnt mean to rattle on but it is a little iritating.
 

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Shaq will make $32 million the last year of his contract.

Under the CBA rules imposed in 1999, the most Shaq and KG (the two highest paid players) can get is around that $15 million range. So after Shaq's contract is up, he'll be looking at around a 50% pay cut! :eek:
 

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I know I was just saying if their contracts were coming up and the league was trying to do something about the salaries would you limited them or all players to a certain amount of money.
 

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I personaly would limit them, Its not fair when one guy gets all the money, but its also not fair if he plays better then all the other guys and gets the same amount of $. 10 million a year for top player should be the limit. IF those players don't like that the team should just cut them.

Or even better, pay the player the price he deserves, for every point, assist, block, steal etc. they make they should be rewarded like $10. So if Shaq gets like 30 points +4 assists +3 blocks he should get an amount of $370 that game.

Another thing if a player sit on the bench for 48 minutes he should get paid for them 48 X 10=$480 that wouldn't be bad for just sitting around :D
 

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Id sit on the bench for that much. I dont think you can pay players per point or anything like that because then they are just going to go for personal stats just to make more money, I say judy limit the salary for players and stick to it.
 

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I'd kind of like the idea of a player being played by win shares. A win share would be the number of wins times the percent that a player contributed to that team. You can find the percent contributed by using my-tendex or magic metric or something like that. So then players like Tim Duncan and Jason Kidd would be making the most. It would reward both team play and being the best player out on the floor.
 

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Sound good but would it work, it would kind of be like the XFL which flopped for more reason than this, but it is hard to say if it would work and would the players union allow it to happen. Its all hard to say.
 

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Originally posted by <b>aquaitious</b>!
I personaly would limit them, Its not fair when one guy gets all the money, but its also not fair if he plays better then all the other guys and gets the same amount of $. 10 million a year for top player should be the limit. IF those players don't like that the team should just cut them.

Or even better, pay the player the price he deserves, for every point, assist, block, steal etc. they make they should be rewarded like $10. So if Shaq gets like 30 points +4 assists +3 blocks he should get an amount of $370 that game.

Another thing if a player sit on the bench for 48 minutes he should get paid for them 48 X 10=$480 that wouldn't be bad for just sitting around :D
That is a horrible idea.

You think NBA ball now is greedy and selfish, with players shooting too much and there aren't enough role players and defensive specialists, SO YOU WANT TO PAY THEM BY THE STATS?

Not only that, but according to your formula sitting the bench would make you more money than scoring 30 with 4 dimes and 3 blocks. How does that make sense?

But if players are going to be putting food on their table by their performance, you will see players hurling up 50 shots in a game, and odds are it's gonna be the point guards shooting. You won't see passing or team play like the Nets had, you'll see shot after shot after ugly *** shot from Todd MacCulloch every night, trying to survive in the league and make money.
 
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