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Okay, I don't do this much, but it's slow day in the life of the Bull.

I was speculating, now that a year has passed, on the trade of Mr. Ed. I was thinking (in my own special way of thinking), that even Ed's biggest detractors had to like the kid. He always had an agreeable personality, and he's awfully big. I was even in favor of signing him to a reasonable 3 or 4 year contract (given the heart issues). I also agree with those who feel that Mr. Ed is not nearly the player on the Knick that he would have been had he stayed with the Bull this season. Also, now that he has had a year outside of dodge, Mr. Ed may have realized that the Bull wasn't such a bad situation for him, either.

So I started thinking about offering the Knick a mulligan on that trade. I think that shortly after Isaiah is removed from office at Knick Central this summer, Pax should call the new GM (Larry Brown?) with an offer. Now as with any mulligan, it will involve a small penalty. Pax should offer to give the Knick back their pick in return for Mr. Ed (at $4.5/year with raises), Jamal (at $3.5/year with raises), and David Lee. This will give the Knick more opportunity to feature Channing Frye and Jackie Butler in the front court, will clear some of the log jam in the front court, and will give them that lottery shot they had given up. It also gives them some salary relief and opens up their roster for some more SUPERSTARS like Jalen, Starbury, and Franchise.

For us, it gives us a more mature pair in Ed and Jamal, and a nice prospect at PF to boot. We miss out on a top pick, but still get our first rounder and still have room to sign AH or Gooden. Ultimately, our roster becomes:

Kirk, Chris, Jannero
Ben, Jamal
Luol, Andres
Al, SWilliams (draft), David Lee, Darius
Ed, Tyson, AD


Go ahead, slice me up. I think it would be fun, though!
 

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ShamBulls said:
How did you manage to halve the value of the two's contracts?
The Knick pays the rest.

Like I said, a mulligan always accrues a penalty. Since the Knick was the only team in the league who thought they were worth that salary, let them eat the excess. We still save them an average of $8-10 million/year (which with lux tax means $16-20 million!).
 

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mizenkay said:
outside the box wynn!














but you lost me at "jamal". sigh.


:smilewink
I'm less of a Jamal fan than an Ed fan, but since Jamal has apparently learned to accept a bench role, and he has always been a fan favorite, has length, and can play PG to Ben's SG, he might be just the player we could use. I think, like Ed, he needed to live on "the other side" before he'd be willing to accept this role.

I wouldn't have minded re-signing Jamal a couple years ago at the salary I listed above if he was willing to accept a bench role.
 

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knicksfan said:
Unfortunately it isn't happening. You cannot trade guys for half there cap number or " eat" salary unless you have capspace. The Knicks do NOT. And no thanks on the " mulligan". If you want Curry back so badly we'll give him back to you in exchange for our picks back and Chandler. We'll even be nice enough and throw the SA pick to you guys as well.
But the Knick won't be "eating" half the salary, they'll be giving it away, and we have all the cap room in the world to "eat" all the salary the Knick wants to throw at us. In fact, I offered this only as a favor to help a floundering Knick organization. I think we'd do better to just sign Przybilla and Baby Al and take our two lottery picks. Guess I was feeling guilty about what the Bull, with the help of Isaiah, has done to you kids over the last two seasons.
 

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knicksfan said:
Two season?

You guys gave us a good AT LEAST backup 2G who is capable of scoring 15 PPG for FREE. And a hard worker in JYD who we loved despite the contract. The only way I'll be mad at the Curry trade is if the Bulls get Oden with the Bulls pick next year. Otherwise I'd take Curry over anyone in next yr's draft.
We'll see if you still feel that way at the end of next season. I've got to imagine that at least one of this year's draftees is going to average 14 points and 7 rebounds -- or something equivalent -- within the next season or two.

Whatever the case, your disagreement is fair and noted.
 

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transplant said:
This said, based on this post, I have to wonder if you gave out your board password to someone else. Curry and Crawford are the same player...they just play different positions. When the Bulls let them go, I feared that they might actually get it with regard to what it takes to convert their immense god-given talent into NBA stardom. This is what I feared. What I THOUGHT was that both were underachievers who would never live up to their potential. That they would waste their talent on lucrative, but undistinguished NBA careers...and that they'd be OK with this.

Crawford's 2 years in New York and Curry's year there this season has made me feel better about what Paxson did. They're performing as I thought they would and not how I feared they would. Neither is the chief reason for the Knicks' league-worst record, but they're certainly enablers, if not key contributors to the Knicks' dismal failure.

The Bulls unquestionably need help, but not this kind of help. We can do better...much better. Nothing either of these players have done since leaving the Bulls has made me view them as "the big fish that got away." Rather, I'm happy that the Bulls didn't waste any serious money on them.
Lot's of thanks for your kind words, Tom! I guess my attempts at parody have hit an all time high on the subtlety meter! I agree with you on just about everything you said in your post (except that I think Wynn! is an idiot), especially those in bold. I was offering this to the Knick because as a human I feel sorry for the part our franchise has played in the suffering of fellow humans. Also thought that at reduced salaries and reduced roles, neither is actually a bad person or horrible player.

Ultimately, as I expressed to knicksfan! I'd prefer to keep our picks and gather our FAs. As speculation, though, this idea came to me and I thought it would be fun to throw out there.

Line for the Tom! and Wynn! mutual admiration society forms to the left!

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