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These guys are retired, but I'll still include them with the others. The winner gets the winner of Reggie and Rock...

Clyde Drexler or Joe Dumars?


Same thing... first 25 votes.
 

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Dumars was good but Drexler was better.
 

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I'm gonna have to go with Joe. I'ma vote on this one because I'm not biased either way. Joe's "D" made the difference. Can you argue with a guy they call the "Jordan Stopper"?
 

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drexler over dumars?

NO WAY!!.... If I had to pick between these two you would have to start with Joe Dumars... The guy was an incredible defender, score when needed to, and distribute the ball when the Microwave subbed in for Isiah back when the Bad Boys won their back to back championships.... Even Jordan said that he was one of the best players to have ever defend him....


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i don't recall dumars being called the jordan stopper. what a foolish name when the guy you're supposed to be stopping is scoring 30 ppg. dumars was a great defender, and he did make jordan work. the pistons employed a team strategy for defending jordan, which did help slow him down, at times. dumars wasn't a jordan stopper.
 

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Drexler was more important for his team than Dumars was for his (even after Isaiah left). Oh, and Drexler was the best perimeter player ever that dribbled exclusively with his head down.
 

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He was dubbed the Jordan Stopper by teamattes and the press... and did a pretty good job in 1989 and 1990 when the Pistons won it all. Don't you think?

I'm not saying he stopped him, but few could do better. Definitely not Drexler (Jordan did 35 in a half on him).
 

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the pistons devised the jordan rules defense, where each piston had a defensive responsibility for jordan, after jordan put up 59 on them in '88 (he put up 61 on them in '87).

dumars was an excellent defender, but again, no jordan-stopper.
 

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I agree with KFLO in that a good defender holds a great player to their average or slightly below their seasonal average.

Nobody can or could stop a player like Mike, Bird, Kobe, TMac, etc. All they hope to do is make them play both ends of the floor, limit their getting the ball, and hope to hold them to their average - not just in scoring, BUT in the other categories where they could and can hurt you.

Joe Dumars did that exceptionally well for a guy who was 6'3" and not just on Mike, but on all shooting guards. Joe didn't go for steals that weren't there and he knew what chest (in your chest/face) defense was and when it was needed!

Drexler was an awesome all around sg, but his defense was always adequate, nothing close to the "D" of Joe D.
 

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Drexler is my vote he was a all around SG i dont recall durmas doin anything really good and he was a under sized should of played PG
 

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Joe Dumars was also a hand checker extraordinaire. I loved Joe Dumars when he played, but I'm not so sure he would thrive as well defensively now because of the rules regarding hand-checking.
 

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Originally posted by <b>beerfart</b>!
Joe Dumars was also a hand checker extraordinaire. I loved Joe Dumars when he played, but I'm not so sure he would thrive as well defensively now because of the rules regarding hand-checking.
Individual perception is everything, as Joe was one of the defenders of the Mike era that I always thought did NOT handcheck even close to the hand-checking that Mike & Pippen did. I always loved his foot work, in that he moved his feet, not his hands. :)

As I said, it is individual perception that leads most of us to our own "opinions" of what we perceive happened in the past or is happening today in the NBA.
 

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Clyde Drexler he was the better all-around player though Dumar's defense makes it close.
 

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seems like some drexler stats should be posted (these exclude his first few seasons:

Code:
Seas  Team     G  FGM   FGA  Pct  FTM  FTA Pct.  Reb  Ast  Stl Blk  Pts.  PPG
86-87 Por     82  707  1408 .502  357  470 .760  518  566  204  71  1782 21.7
87-88 Por     81  849  1679 .506  476  587 .811  533  467  203  52  2185 27.0
88-89 Por     78  829  1672 .496  438  548 .799  615  450  213  54  2123 27.2
89-90 Por     73  670  1357 .494  333  430 .774  507  432  145  51  1703 23.3
90-91 Por     82  645  1338 .482  416  524 .794  546  493  144  60  1767 21.5
91-92 Por     76  694  1476 .470  401  505 .794  500  512  138  70  1903 25.0
92-93 Por     49  350   816 .429  245  292 .839  309  278   95  37   976 19.9
93-94 Por     68  473  1105 .428  286  368 .777  445  333   98  34  1303 19.2
94-95 Hou-Por 76  571  1238 .461  364  442 .824  480  362  136  45  1653 21.8
95-96 Hou     52  331   764 .433  265  338 .784  373  302  105  24  1005 19.3
96-97 Hou     62  397   899 .442  201  268 .750  373  354  119  36  1114 18.0
97-98 Hou     70  452  1059 .427  277  346 .801  346  382  126  42  1287 18.4
Career      1086 8335 17673  950 4698 5962 .788 6677 6125 2207 719 22195 20.4
dumars
Code:
Seas  Team    G   FGM   FGA Pct.   FTM   FTA  Pct.  Reb  Ast Stl  Blk  Pts.  PPG
87-88 Det    82   453   960 .472   251   308  .815  200  387  87   15  1161 14.2
88-89 Det    69   456   903 .505   260   306  .850  172  390  63    5  1186 17.2
89-90 Det    75   508  1058 .480   297   330  .900  212  368  63    2  1335 17.8
90-91 Det    80   622  1292 .481   371   417  .890  187  443  89    7  1629 20.4
91-92 Det    82   587  1311 .448   412   475  .867  188  375  71   12  1635 19.9
92-93 Det    77   677  1454 .466   343   397  .864  148  308  78    7  1809 23.5
93-94 Det    69   505  1118 .452   276   330  .836  151  261  63    4  1410 20.4
94-95 Det    67   417   970 .430   277   344  .805  158  368  72    7  1214 18.1
95-96 Det    67   255   598 .426   162   197  .822  138  265  43    3   793 11.8
96-97 Det    79   385   875 .440   222   256  .867  191  318  57    1  1158 14.7
97-98 Det    72   329   791 .416   127   154  .825  104  253  44    2   943 13.1
98-99 Det    38   144   350 .411    51    61  .836   68  134  23    2   428 11.3
Career     1018  5994 13026 .460  3423  4059  .843 2203 4612 902   83 16401 16.1
dumars was better defensively, but drexler's contributions were all over the place. his numbers are pretty great, far greater than dumars, and he was on some pretty good teams himself.
 
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