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Q-Pac does have a nice, brand spankin' new arena, but Garvey doesn't seem like the type of kid that would get sold like that.

If he was into stuff like that, he would have never enrolled at UVM and spent two years there to begin with.
 

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GoCats, if, in fact, he did leave UVM for other than his family as you suggested; this whole thread could have been avoided if he gave the media and school his real reasons for leaving. When you tell fans your leaving to be with family and you choose a school that is not near your family it raises questions. Obviously I don't have the full story and I'm sure I'm missing some important pieces but given the story we were told I think speculation is warranted.
 

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It's not difficult to see what happened here:

1) Garvey left UVM thinking he could transfer to a DC area school without looking deeper into the situation, ie if teams would take him and if a coach would offer him a scholarship.
2) Sadly #1 Did not happen
3) It's now July and Garvey is w/out a scholarship offer presumably from the places he wants to go to, is now left having to choose among the best available schools that want him, and Quinnipiac probably fits that. As others have mentioned, from a basketball stand point they have a very good coach, new arena, and won 20+ games last season (although I think their two best players, Rutty and Feldeine graduated?)

If he does go to Q-Pac,that's definitely not the place he had in mind when he decided to leave UVM.

Also, while Garvey is already a great perimeter defender now, his offensive game is still far from reliable and while I do really wish he was still a Catamount, I would be lying if I said I was completely comfortable with him stepping into a larger offensive role on the team next season had he stayed. That might be what GW, George Mason, William & Mary, and VCU et al thought as well.
 

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It's not difficult to see what happened here:

1) Garvey left UVM thinking he could transfer to a DC area school without looking deeper into the situation, ie if teams would take him and if a coach would offer him a scholarship.
2) Sadly #1 Did not happen
3) It's now July and Garvey is w/out a scholarship offer presumably from the places he wants to go to, is now left having to choose among the best available schools that want him, and Quinnipiac probably fits that. As others have mentioned, from a basketball stand point they have a very good coach, new arena, and won 20+ games last season (although I think their two best players, Rutty and Feldeine graduated?)

If he does go to Q-Pac,that's definitely not the place he had in mind when he decided to leave UVM.

Also, while Garvey is already a great perimeter defender now, his offensive game is still far from reliable and while I do really wish he was still a Catamount, I would be lying if I said I was completely comfortable with him stepping into a larger offensive role on the team next season had he stayed. That might be what GW, George Mason, William & Mary, and VCU et al thought as well.
While Garvey might not have ended up in the DC area....he did improve himself geographically in that now it is about a 4:30-5 hour drive instead of a full day of traveling to get home. Maybe not ideal but an improvement in his mind.
 

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While Garvey might not have ended up in the DC area....he did improve himself geographically in that now it is about a 4:30-5 hour drive instead of a full day of traveling to get home. Maybe not ideal but an improvement in his mind.
Absolutely- much closer to home than Burlington- but still far enough away where it doesn't really make much sense.
 

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Quinnipiac University received a commitment from transfer swingman Garvey Young last week.

Young played the first two years of his college career at the University of Vermont, making 50 stars in 64 games. As a freshman he was named to the America East All-Rookie Team after averaging 6.0 points and 3.0 rebounds per game. This season Young averaged 7.4 points and 4.0 rebounds for a Vermont team that captured the America East championship and went on to the NCAA Tournament and was named to the America East All-Defensive and All-Tournament teams.

http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/1538/Quinnipiac-Lands-Transfer.php
 

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Took a look at the Amtrak web site, either 4:29 or 4:34 on an Acela from New Haven to DC, 5:14 to 5:31 on most regionals. Still doable for a weekend trip and obviously a lot more feasible than from Burlington unless he flew, but a lot longer than from VA, MD, DE, PA or NJ.

I know the Q has a nice new facility, I've attended a game there. But it's a long walk from the main campus and on top of a ridge with a fairly steep incline to reach it. The main campus is near a state park, fairly isolated just off the main drag in suburban Hamden and quite a ways from the town center.

I don't get it. I'd rather have a degree from UVM and I'd rather spend my college years in Burlington. I don't care how much colder/snowier it is in Burlington, I'd rather be in Burlington than Hamden. And I live in CT!!!!!! Someone please tell me how it isn't a much more robust college experience in Burlington?
 

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Took a look at the Amtrak web site, either 4:29 or 4:34 on an Acela from New Haven to DC, 5:14 to 5:31 on most regionals. Still doable for a weekend trip and obviously a lot more feasible than from Burlington unless he flew, but a lot longer than from VA, MD, DE, PA or NJ.

I know the Q has a nice new facility, I've attended a game there. But it's a long walk from the main campus and on top of a ridge with a fairly steep incline to reach it. The main campus is near a state park, fairly isolated just off the main drag in suburban Hamden and quite a ways from the town center.

I don't get it. I'd rather have a degree from UVM and I'd rather spend my college years in Burlington. I don't care how much colder/snowier it is in Burlington, I'd rather be in Burlington than Hamden. And I live in CT!!!!!! Someone please tell me how it isn't a much more robust college experience in Burlington?
*scratches head* maybe some disconnect with coaches or something. Him winding up there doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me looking at it from the outside.
 

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I really don't get any of this either, but I honestly think what happened in this case is the scenario I've commented on previously- which is that Young tried to transfer close to home but couldn't/didn't get a scholarship offer from an area school. That's what I will believe until someone credible can tell me otherwise.

Coming out of HS Q-Pac wouldn't have even been a consideration. Here's his blurb from when he signed w/ Vermont:

6-foot-4 guard Garvey Young verbally committed to the University of Vermont on Tuesday, according to the Burlington Free Press. The Washington, D.C. native also received offers from St. Bonaventure, Lehigh, Holy Cross, Cornell, Tulane, William and Mary and Richmond. "In our final analysis, Vermont was the best fit," Young's father, John, said.

In terms of issues with coaches, you never know but I highly doubt that's the case because Garvey was fast tracked by the coaching staff since the moment he stepped on campus because of his defense. He would have been a major piece of the puzzle next year had he stayed.

At the end of the day, I'm sure both parties will be fine- well, I know UVM is going to be.

-Doesn't add up.
 

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Perhaps it is just what he said it was. From all the comments I heard, he just wanted to be closer (have an easier commute) to home. It sounded like his grandmother is not well. With what Matt Hahn and Evan Fjeld went through this year, you cannot blame him.

From all appearances, he is a great kid. If this is what makes him happy than I will wish him well.
 

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Perhaps it is just what he said it was. From all the comments I heard, he just wanted to be closer (have an easier commute) to home. It sounded like his grandmother is not well. With what Matt Hahn and Evan Fjeld went through this year, you cannot blame him.

From all appearances, he is a great kid. If this is what makes him happy than I will wish him well.
Perhaps- Hamden, CT is certainly much closer to an Acela than Burlington, VT is.

It's a 4.5 hour train ride versus 13 hour train ride from VT as well.
 

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6-foot-4 guard Garvey Young verbally committed to the University of Vermont on Tuesday, according to the Burlington Free Press. The Washington, D.C. native also received offers from St. Bonaventure, Lehigh, Holy Cross, Cornell, Tulane, William and Mary and Richmond. "In our final analysis, Vermont was the best fit," Young's father, John, said.

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I wouldn't read too much into press releases. You'll note that every school on that list would be considered "at or above" UVM, either athletically or academically -- so they have reason to be on the University's press release. He may very well have been recruited by the Q -- UVM just wouldn't highlight that.

When you spend as many years as I have following Binghamton athletics, you get sort of used to reading between the lines on Athletic Department press releases.
 

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I wouldn't read too much into press releases. You'll note that every school on that list would be considered "at or above" UVM, either athletically or academically -- so they have reason to be on the University's press release. He may very well have been recruited by the Q -- UVM just wouldn't highlight that.

When you spend as many years as I have following Binghamton athletics, you get sort of used to reading between the lines on Athletic Department press releases.
I would agree with you if this was a University of Vermont press release, but the Burlington Free Press is a separate entity and is not = the University of Vermont Athletics Department.

These are the same schools that was reported to the BFP, presumably by the Young's or taken from other recruiting sites, such as Scout and the other recruiting websites. Of course, all that can be taken with a grain of salt. I do not doubt NEC schools had tried to recruit him, but there was no NEC school on his final list anywhere that I had seen.

As a rule, when UVM announces its recruits, it doesn't list the other schools that recruited the player. I'm not sure why any school would do that because a) As we've established on this board, they really have no way of knowing for sure who offered and b)It reads as unprofessional

Here's UVM's official press release for the Class of 2012:

http://www.uvm.edu/~sportspr/mens_basketball/?Page=News&storyID=11644
 

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I just heard that Garvey Young transferred out of UVM because his dad wanted him to be in a program where he would have a larger role. I didn't get the impression that QU was necessarily their first choice, but Garvey's statement about being closer to family (grandmother) was probably not the real reason he left. It seems a bit suspect, in that he would have been the best backcourt defender on the roster (most likely) and probably would have started every game. I don't think he would have been one of the first three options offensively, but I think he'd certainly get some looks. If this is even part of the reason, it seems pretty lame to me, but he is not my son. I guess if I felt my son was being underutilized, I'd want him to be in a better situation, but why go through the hassel of transferring and most likely sitting out a year? If QU was in fact the first choice, I don't know if being a slightly bigger fish in a slightly smaller pond really helps all that much. If QU wasn't their first choice, then they probably should have had their ducks in a row a little better before they decided to jump ship...maybe there was some sour grapes with the coaching staff.
 

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I just heard that Garvey Young transferred out of UVM because his dad wanted him to be in a program where he would have a larger role. I didn't get the impression that QU was necessarily their first choice, but Garvey's statement about being closer to family (grandmother) was probably not the real reason he left. It seems a bit suspect, in that he would have been the best backcourt defender on the roster (most likely) and probably would have started every game. I don't think he would have been one of the first three options offensively, but I think he'd certainly get some looks. If this is even part of the reason, it seems pretty lame to me, but he is not my son. I guess if I felt my son was being underutilized, I'd want him to be in a better situation, but why go through the hassel of transferring and most likely sitting out a year? If QU was in fact the first choice, I don't know if being a slightly bigger fish in a slightly smaller pond really helps all that much. If QU wasn't their first choice, then they probably should have had their ducks in a row a little better before they decided to jump ship...maybe there was some sour grapes with the coaching staff.
I just hope the Young's find whatever it is that they are looking for at Q-Pac, because he is a good kid at the end of the day.

Garvey had a pretty large role in both his freshman and sophomore seasons, that was only going to increase next year. Averaging 21 and 28 min a game in his first two seasons. Averaging 28 min a game for a championship squad is a pretty large role.

Garvey's offensive game was absolutely horrid to start the season last year and was pretty inconsistent for much of the season, and Coach Lonergan stuck by him the entire time.
 

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I just heard that Garvey Young transferred out of UVM because his dad wanted him to be in a program where he would have a larger role. I didn't get the impression that QU was necessarily their first choice, but Garvey's statement about being closer to family (grandmother) was probably not the real reason he left. It seems a bit suspect, in that he would have been the best backcourt defender on the roster (most likely) and probably would have started every game. I don't think he would have been one of the first three options offensively, but I think he'd certainly get some looks. If this is even part of the reason, it seems pretty lame to me, but he is not my son. I guess if I felt my son was being underutilized, I'd want him to be in a better situation, but why go through the hassel of transferring and most likely sitting out a year? If QU was in fact the first choice, I don't know if being a slightly bigger fish in a slightly smaller pond really helps all that much. If QU wasn't their first choice, then they probably should have had their ducks in a row a little better before they decided to jump ship...maybe there was some sour grapes with the coaching staff.
I really hope that is not the reason he transferred, this doesn't make any sense. He would have been a 35 minute a game guy next year and would get a ton of opportunity on offense this year. If that is the reason he transferred, he got absolutely horrid advice.
 

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I really hope that is not the reason he transferred, this doesn't make any sense. He would have been a 35 minute a game guy next year and would get a ton of opportunity on offense this year. If that is the reason he transferred, he got absolutely horrid advice.
Bingo.
 
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