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Man, relative to a few years ago, and even to expectations at the beginning of the year (prior to playoffs), things are not looking good for Chicago's teams. Cubs look to be really bad for a few more years. Strike in the NHL. Bulls are in limbo with Rose hurt. The Bears looked disappointing to say the least.

Hope the White Sox can at least get to the playoffs. And maybe the Bears just had a bad day?
 

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Man, relative to a few years ago, and even to expectations at the beginning of the year (prior to playoffs), things are not looking good for Chicago's teams. Cubs look to be really bad for a few more years. Strike in the NHL. Bulls are in limbo with Rose hurt. The Bears looked disappointing to say the least.

Hope the White Sox can at least get to the playoffs. And maybe the Bears just had a bad day?

The White Sox may be playoff bound, so that is good, especially relative to expectations entering the season. I would disagree the Bears were "disappointing to say the least." They looked good in beating a bad team. They looked bad losing to the Packers at Lambeau field. I don't think either of those results really shows how good or bad the team is just yet. The Bears will be ok if they can keep Cutler upright, and won't be if they can't.
 

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Really the Rose injury on the heels of the Cutler/Forte injuries were the bummer of the past 365 days.... other than that the Sox/Bears/Bulls have at least been competitive, which is better than it has been some years.
 

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Mike McCarthy is sometimes brilliant. A fake field goal on 4th and 26th? So don't feel too bad about the lose - until the Packers beat them in Soldier field.
 

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Okay, okay, I'll come back from the cliff.

Dornado, you mention the Sox as though they are from Chicago...Wait, they are? :)

I grew up a Cubs fan, and their utter desolation has probably colored my outlook.

I know, we have a new offense and coaching staff for the Bears. I'll give them time.

No Blackhawks at all, after what looked like it might be a dynasty.

And Rose is learning how to jump again.

But I'll enjoy the Sox. They have been a surprisingly good story, though unlikely to progress very far this postseason.

Go Bulls!
 

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NHL Season on hold. Boo!
 

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White Sox miss post season! Boo!

Bears are looking up. (and Pack are looking down, always nice)

Bulls? a question mark.
 

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I get the feeling the Bears have that something special this year, but we'll see. We need to win the division for this to happen since we never play well in GB.
 

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I get the feeling the Bears have that something special this year, but we'll see. We need to win the division for this to happen since we never play well in GB.
The benefit of a low volume board is that it aint too hard to go back and find this stuff.

bears are 7-3, and yet....yuck. they have time, but the direction is not good.
 

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I look at the Bears with optimism. They could be worse. At least they have a fighting chance to make the playoffs. It's better than being 2 games below. 500 and the season lost already.

The Bulls are at least in position to make some noise. I'm really currious as to what moves and direction the team will head after this season. Rose will be back, but everyone else could leave or be moved in different scenarios. Plus the possibility of Mirotic coming over is intriguing.

The Cubs are in full blown rebuilding mode... Which normally is a bummer. But with the state the Club has been in for the last decade, at least they are doing something. Finally getting bad contracts off the books and stocking up on young promising prospects.

F*ck the whitesox.

The NHL, well, that's not a Chicago problem right now... Hopefully the lockout ends and the Hawks can get back on the ice, because they are Chicago's best team right now.

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I so so so so hope the NHL can get it's act together. It looks like (from what I'm seeing/hearing today) things are progressing. Not that Bettman really said anything at his stupid podium speech yesterday, but. Cross my fingers.
 

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Yes, I agree. I miss hockey. The Bulls are ok, and there is some hope with Derrick's return looming, but the Hawks coming back to town would be nice. Bears? eh.
 

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The Bulls have been pretty much un watchable this season. What sucks is that this Board has been a ghost town of late thanks to no Rose and a boring ass Bulls team.
 

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Yeah, I can start doing game threads again but I felt like I was talking to myself most of the time. I'm open to ideas to increase traffic.
 

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Yeah, I can start doing game threads again but I felt like I was talking to myself most of the time. I'm open to ideas to increase traffic.
Yeah I wondered what happened to all the game threads.

But yeah, it was only like 2-3 people who would even talk about the game.. Me mostly saying something negative and everyone else disagreeing lol. Ahhh those where the good ol days.
 

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I usually watch the games on dvr delay, but keep any and all posts going. This is my favorite Bulls talk site around and don't want to see it fail.
 

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We might wanna do what they're doing over in the Raptors forum. One thread per month or ten games or whatever that people can use for any/all of the games.

It's difficult for me to do much more than box score watch from China since my internet doesn't do so well with streaming over here, but I've tried to catch highlights when I can leave them alone long enough to finish buffering.
 

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Man, relative to a few years ago, and even to expectations at the beginning of the year (prior to playoffs), things are not looking good for Chicago's teams. Cubs look to be really bad for a few more years. Strike in the NHL. Bulls are in limbo with Rose hurt. The Bears looked disappointing to say the least.

Hope the White Sox can at least get to the playoffs. And maybe the Bears just had a bad day?
You have to understand what's being sold in Chicago and you'll understand motivations.

The Blackhawks and White Sox have to win or be serious contenders just to still draw nothing, but at least not draw as bad as the Oakland As. I'm generalizing the Blackhawks to fit here, hockey overall just has much lower interest and therefore television deals that pay them nothing.

What are the Cubs (they've admitted they suck now and are rebuilding, but have done what I'm about to explain in recent years past), Bears and Bulls selling? Being a real contender?

NO. They're selling a regular season that can keep sports dreamers in a happy place until the season is either mostly over, or ends with an early playoff loss. This strategy includes building teams with serious playoff faults, but probably a surplus of what wins in the regular season. Get to 7-1 halfway through the year, or in the Bulls case WITH Rose, 60-ish wins, and the average fan is going to say, "wow, we can win it all. I mean, if you take our wins in the regular season and just translate that kind of success to the playoffs, it's a no brainer!"

The Bears first had Sporting News say that the team needed a (and I'm not paraphrasing) "serious infusion of youth and talent on the offensive line."

You're saying, "what else is new." Yeah, they said that following the 2005 season! Here we are, almost 7 years later. Carimi was drafted too high because Tice knows his dad (unless you could watch him play and find a legitimate reason? - I saw him at Wisconsin, not so much) and Williams, a converted TE who came in with a bad injury. He literally couldn't walk coming INTO camp his rookie year. The NFL version of Greg Oden, except with much less upside.

The Bears traded Kyle Orton, a decent starting QB, and TWO first rounders for Cutler. That's the equivalent of a king's ransom in the NFL.

Now, I think I saw what many didn't want to on Cutler. 100% of Jeff George's arm and about 33% of his brain. He's not an idiot on George's scale, but he flashes hints of Jeff George at crucial times and could hardly be called a great decision maker.

And that's what Super Bowl winning QBs are. Great decision makers. Sometimes they have John Elway's talent, but Tom Brady hardly has that, nor does he have anything approaching Cutler's arm.

But fine. Say you love Cutler, and I hardly blame him for this. There's two problems.

1. Elite QBs are almost always drafted by the team they win with. This is part of a plan to continue to suck or be average, so draft picks will still be high. We have had low picks with him because we acquired him once he was stepping into his prime AND we gave up two picks for him.

2. Okay, you want Cutler Angelo? And Emery? Guess what? You become an offensive football team. Where is Tarik Glenn? Marvin Harrison? We have our Reggie Wayne in Marshall, but where is Jeff Saturday, Dallas Clark, Joe Addai?

We never did what you do around a good QB. We never committed to being an OFFENSIVE football team.

Here we are, years later, defensive head coach with a defense that the league has figured out every bit as much as they figured out Martz's offense, no commitment to the offensive line, and when there has been one, it's come with awful decisions. Two out of the first three 2012 draft picks defensive players!

Shea McClellan is a pass rush specialist, too light in the ass to play DE every down, and you thought you had the luxury of drafting him instead of a player like Coby Fleener or Riley Reiff? You thought you had the luxury of drafting Brian Harden? With our offensive line?

A tight end who was a DEFENSIVE END in college. That's right. Kellen FREEMAN-Davis lacked the fluidity as a TE so bad his senior year they moved him to DE at Michigan State.

Next time, give me $20 and before the season I can tell you that a team with no offensive line and an old defense will start to completely fizz out in the back half of the schedule.

The Bulls? LOL. With Rose back it's a guy who is not the best superstar in the league and a bunch of #3 options. Just like Drexler's Blazers. Just like Miller's Pacers and just like Ewing's Knicks.
 

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You have to understand what's being sold in Chicago and you'll understand motivations.

The Blackhawks and White Sox have to win or be serious contenders just to still draw nothing, but at least not draw as bad as the Oakland As. I'm generalizing the Blackhawks to fit here, hockey overall just has much lower interest and therefore television deals that pay them nothing.

What are the Cubs (they've admitted they suck now and are rebuilding, but have done what I'm about to explain in recent years past), Bears and Bulls selling? Being a real contender?

NO. They're selling a regular season that can keep sports dreamers in a happy place until the season is either mostly over, or ends with an early playoff loss. This strategy includes building teams with serious playoff faults, but probably a surplus of what wins in the regular season. Get to 7-1 halfway through the year, or in the Bulls case WITH Rose, 60-ish wins, and the average fan is going to say, "wow, we can win it all. I mean, if you take our wins in the regular season and just translate that kind of success to the playoffs, it's a no brainer!"

The Bears first had Sporting News say that the team needed a (and I'm not paraphrasing) "serious infusion of youth and talent on the offensive line."

You're saying, "what else is new." Yeah, they said that following the 2005 season! Here we are, almost 7 years later. Carimi was drafted too high because Tice knows his dad (unless you could watch him play and find a legitimate reason? - I saw him at Wisconsin, not so much) and Williams, a converted TE who came in with a bad injury. He literally couldn't walk coming INTO camp his rookie year. The NFL version of Greg Oden, except with much less upside.

The Bears traded Kyle Orton, a decent starting QB, and TWO first rounders for Cutler. That's the equivalent of a king's ransom in the NFL.

Now, I think I saw what many didn't want to on Cutler. 100% of Jeff George's arm and about 33% of his brain. He's not an idiot on George's scale, but he flashes hints of Jeff George at crucial times and could hardly be called a great decision maker.

And that's what Super Bowl winning QBs are. Great decision makers. Sometimes they have John Elway's talent, but Tom Brady hardly has that, nor does he have anything approaching Cutler's arm.

But fine. Say you love Cutler, and I hardly blame him for this. There's two problems.

1. Elite QBs are almost always drafted by the team they win with. This is part of a plan to continue to suck or be average, so draft picks will still be high. We have had low picks with him because we acquired him once he was stepping into his prime AND we gave up two picks for him.

2. Okay, you want Cutler Angelo? And Emery? Guess what? You become an offensive football team. Where is Tarik Glenn? Marvin Harrison? We have our Reggie Wayne in Marshall, but where is Jeff Saturday, Dallas Clark, Joe Addai?

We never did what you do around a good QB. We never committed to being an OFFENSIVE football team.

Here we are, years later, defensive head coach with a defense that the league has figured out every bit as much as they figured out Martz's offense, no commitment to the offensive line, and when there has been one, it's come with awful decisions. Two out of the first three 2012 draft picks defensive players!

Shea McClellan is a pass rush specialist, too light in the ass to play DE every down, and you thought you had the luxury of drafting him instead of a player like Coby Fleener or Riley Reiff? You thought you had the luxury of drafting Brian Harden? With our offensive line?

A tight end who was a DEFENSIVE END in college. That's right. Kellen FREEMAN-Davis lacked the fluidity as a TE so bad his senior year they moved him to DE at Michigan State.

Next time, give me $20 and before the season I can tell you that a team with no offensive line and an old defense will start to completely fizz out in the back half of the schedule.

The Bulls? LOL. With Rose back it's a guy who is not the best superstar in the league and a bunch of #3 options. Just like Drexler's Blazers. Just like Miller's Pacers and just like Ewing's Knicks.
Oh look who's back :uhoh:
 

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The Bears first had Sporting News say that the team needed a (and I'm not paraphrasing) "serious infusion of youth and talent on the offensive line."

You're saying, "what else is new." Yeah, they said that following the 2005 season! Here we are, almost 7 years later. Carimi was drafted too high because Tice knows his dad (unless you could watch him play and find a legitimate reason? - I saw him at Wisconsin, not so much) and Williams, a converted TE who came in with a bad injury. He literally couldn't walk coming INTO camp his rookie year. The NFL version of Greg Oden, except with much less upside.

The Bears traded Kyle Orton, a decent starting QB, and TWO first rounders for Cutler. That's the equivalent of a king's ransom in the NFL.

Now, I think I saw what many didn't want to on Cutler. 100% of Jeff George's arm and about 33% of his brain. He's not an idiot on George's scale, but he flashes hints of Jeff George at crucial times and could hardly be called a great decision maker.

And that's what Super Bowl winning QBs are. Great decision makers. Sometimes they have John Elway's talent, but Tom Brady hardly has that, nor does he have anything approaching Cutler's arm.

But fine. Say you love Cutler, and I hardly blame him for this. There's two problems.

1. Elite QBs are almost always drafted by the team they win with. This is part of a plan to continue to suck or be average, so draft picks will still be high. We have had low picks with him because we acquired him once he was stepping into his prime AND we gave up two picks for him.

2. Okay, you want Cutler Angelo? And Emery? Guess what? You become an offensive football team. Where is Tarik Glenn? Marvin Harrison? We have our Reggie Wayne in Marshall, but where is Jeff Saturday, Dallas Clark, Joe Addai?

We never did what you do around a good QB. We never committed to being an OFFENSIVE football team.

Here we are, years later, defensive head coach with a defense that the league has figured out every bit as much as they figured out Martz's offense, no commitment to the offensive line, and when there has been one, it's come with awful decisions. Two out of the first three 2012 draft picks defensive players!

Shea McClellan is a pass rush specialist, too light in the ass to play DE every down, and you thought you had the luxury of drafting him instead of a player like Coby Fleener or Riley Reiff? You thought you had the luxury of drafting Brian Harden? With our offensive line?

A tight end who was a DEFENSIVE END in college. That's right. Kellen FREEMAN-Davis lacked the fluidity as a TE so bad his senior year they moved him to DE at Michigan State.

Next time, give me $20 and before the season I can tell you that a team with no offensive line and an old defense will start to completely fizz out in the back half of the schedule.
Carimi has been disappointing as a pro so far but he was an absolute beast at Wisconsin, I'm not sure which Wisconsin games you were watching. Also, the kid has played 14 total pro games... I'm willing to give him a little time. I had much higher expectations for him and I don't think they were necessarily unreasonable... I don't know if he lost weight after the most recent knee issues or what, but he hasn't been able to hold a spot in some key situations. A lot of that is leverage and handwork. I still think he can be a decent lineman in this league.

On the QB thing, Steve Young and Drew Brees come to mind (and no, Cutler is not on their level). It isn't that you can't trade for a franchise QB (and I realize you said almost, just pointing out a few counterexamples). I think the Cutler trade was the right move, though I'm with you on not surrounding him with the appropriate offensive talent, particularly on the O-Line. The issues with Cutler are more than just decision making, he also lacks the kind of accuracy that guys like Rodgers, Brees, Brady and Manning have. I still think you can win a super bowl with him at QB, and that he can help you along the way (as opposed to a Trent Dilfer type), but it isn't reasonable to expect him to carry a team there.
 
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