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"I'm disappointed," Randolph said. "What more do I have to do? I'm doing the same thing as KG (Kevin Garnett), Tim Duncan and Jermaine (O'Neal), and they are in it."

Umm.... Randolph, no you're not. But you're almost there. Keep up the good work!!! Go Blazers!
 

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Cook to play "significant minutes" tonight.

"He has to," Cheeks said. "We don't have any other option."

Awesome! I can't wait. Cheeks also said that Cook made passes in practice that "we" haven't been able to make lately.
 

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Originally posted by <b>NathanLane</b>!
"I'm disappointed," Randolph said. "What more do I have to do? I'm doing the same thing as KG (Kevin Garnett), Tim Duncan and Jermaine (O'Neal), and they are in it."

Umm.... Randolph, no you're not. But you're almost there. Keep up the good work!!! Go Blazers!
He might not be on that level yet but he is putting up offensive numbers very similar to those folks. You don't average 21 and 11 on luck. I think the big reason he is not there is the fact that those guys have better teams.
 

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Say Zach can you spell d-e-f-e-n-c-e? When you can spell it, then think about, then PLAY IT- you'll get to be an all-star too. So don't be confused about the all-star whiff.
 

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Originally posted by <b>BLAZER PROPHET</b>!
Say Zach can you spell d-e-f-e-n-c-e? When you can spell it, then think about, then PLAY IT- you'll get to be an all-star too. So don't be confused about the all-star whiff.
Can you say Dirk Nowitzki? Enough said. Z-Bo is not a great defender but Dirk is not much better. And Z-Bo is putting up better numbers in scoring and rebounding. I don't buy the no defense theory as to why he isn't in the game. It just doesn't work when there are other players who play little defense. Go watch a Mavs game and you might understand.
 

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Sorry- Dirk averages more than a block a game. If Randolph did that, he'd be in. And Dirk turns the ball over much less.

Remember, Zach can't play D when they're running down the court for the fast break because he handed them the ball.
 

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Dirk's a significantly more accomplished player that ZR, and he's the best player on a team that's significantly better than the Blazers. ZR is probably not even the best player on a team that's near the bottom of the Western Conference.

While that reasoning doesn't necessarily determine who's the better player, it's been used forever to determine all-star selections.

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Yes. I believe coaches want to reward players who contribute to winning teams in general cuz that's what's most important to them. If players who got good stats on bad teams were rewarded, then we'd have lots of players caring more about stats than winning. They want the statement to be made that winning is more important. But in this case, Randolph's stats aren't even as good as the people ahead of him. Not when you consider ALL the stats.
 

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Originally posted by <b>NathanLane</b>!
Sorry- Dirk averages more than a block a game. If Randolph did that, he'd be in. And Dirk turns the ball over much less.

Remember, Zach can't play D when they're running down the court for the fast break because he handed them the ball.
So what about the blocks. Zach averages more of other stats than Dirk but who cares. You are seriously misguided if you think Dirk is in because of his shot blocking abilities.
 

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Randolph only averages slightly better than Dirk in scoring and rebounding, and Dirk has recovered from a slow start so his numbers are even better of late. And Dirk has less turnovers (less than TWO--THIS REALLY MATTERS) and has more blocks and assists and even steals (by a hair).

That is why Dirk is ranked higher in EFFICIENCY- a big factor for determining All Star teams and MVP awards.

Dirk's stats are better overall. This is fact.
 

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Antibody-

Furthermore, you can't say "Dirk doesn't play defense" and then say "so what about blocks?"
 

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Originally posted by <b>BLAZER PROPHET</b>!
Say Zach can you spell d-e-f-e-n-c-e? When you can spell it, then think about, then PLAY IT- you'll get to be an all-star too. So don't be confused about the all-star whiff.
Haha, you can't even spell "defense."
 

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Originally posted by <b>NathanLane</b>!
Antibody-
Furthermore, you can't say "Dirk doesn't play defense" and then say "so what about blocks?"
He doesn't play defense...go watch a Mavs game. Averaging about 1 block per game doesn't mean you play defense.
 

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"Cheeks also said that Cook made passes in practice that "we" haven't been able to make lately."
In other words, Damon Stoudamire, who has been a starting point guard in the NBA for 7 seasons (?) can't make the kind of entry pass that a minor league cast-off can make ???
 

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Originally posted by <b>NathanLane</b>!
Sorry- Dirk averages more than a block a game. If Randolph did that, he'd be in. And Dirk turns the ball over much less.

Remember, Zach can't play D when they're running down the court for the fast break because he handed them the ball.
Shot blocking is a small part of defense. Scottie Pippen is a forward who averaged less than 1 block per game for his career. He's one of the greatest defenders in the history of the league.

Being tall and blocking a couple shots here and there doesn't mean you're a good defender.
 

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Zach is lost without Rasheed. Numbers are nice to play with but Randolph isn't better than Marion, Brand, Stoudemire either and argueably better than Gasol.

Rasheed has a much bigger impact on the game than Randolph.
 

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Originally posted by <b>BigAmare</b>!
Zach is lost without Rasheed. Numbers are nice to play with but Randolph isn't better than Marion, Brand, Stoudemire either and argueably better than Gasol.

Rasheed has a much bigger impact on the game than Randolph.
Zach is not lost without Sheed. He is a better player with Sheed alongside him but he is definitely not lost. Numbers don't lie and Z-Bo has put up all-star caliber numbers this year so far. I wish he would have made it but there are a lot of deserving players in the west. It's difficult to compare a PF to a SF in Marion. Sort of like comparing apples and oranges. Stoudemire is definitely not better than Zach at this point in time. Stoudemire will be very good but he is very limited offensively right now outside of a dunk shot. Brand is a very good player but didn't play enough this year just as Ray Allen IMHO. Marion and Stoudemire had no chance of making the all-star squad. Z-Bo had a good chance and the numbers to back it up.
 

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Zach is not lost without Sheed. He is a better player with Sheed alongside him but he is definitely not lost. Numbers don't lie and Z-Bo has put up all-star caliber numbers this year so far.
You have a very selective memory. Zach's production suffered tremendously when Rasheed was out with the ankle injury. Not even close to all-star material during that stretch.

Granted, Zach played very well during Rasheed's 7 game suspension last year, but it could be argued that having Sabonis' presence was the needed crutch similar to Sheed this year.

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Originally posted by <b>dkap</b>!
You have a very selective memory. Zach's production suffered tremendously when Rasheed was out with the ankle injury. Not even close to all-star material during that stretch.

Granted, Zach played very well during Rasheed's 7 game suspension last year, but it could be argued that having Sabonis' presence was the needed crutch similar to Sheed this year.

Dan
You can't select a few games here and there during the season and make a statement like so and so suffered when so and so was out. You can make the numbers in your favor almost in any situation. Who cares if his numbers were not close to all-star material during that stretch. All players slide up and down during the year. You don't come to a conclusion on a player over a stretch of games. The season averages tell it all.
 

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Say what? How else would one go about supporting or refuting your statement that Zach is not lost without Sheed? The games Zach played without Sheed there to help out are the determining factor.

Sorry, you can't have it both ways.

Dan
 
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