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Here is the latest edition in this series of NBA starters rankings. Let's get this debate going already!

1 Shaquille O'Neal (duh)
2 Alonzo Mourning (he's really slipped, but this is a super-weak position)
3 Vlade Divac (how long can this guy keep it up?)
4 David Robinson (wow, these are some old farts in the top six!)
5 Michael Olowokandi (the hardest guy to rank on this list)
6 Dikembe Mutombo (still top six despite his age and bad back)
7 Brad Miller (he'll get a fat contract next summer, you watch)
8 Clifford Robinson (he's a free agent next summer, so expect a big year)
9 Todd MacCulloch (a remarkably solid player, stays healthy, nice contract)
10 Elden Campbell (he's a free agent next summer, too, so there's a lot at stake)
11 Dale Davis (undersized but tenacious, good role player)
12 Kurt Thomas (starts at C for the Knicks for now, obviously undersized)
13 Theo Ratliff (would be a lot higher if he could ever stay healthy)
14 Radoslav Nesterovic (hard to say how much upside this guy has)
15 Marcus Camby (again, would be a lot higher if he could ever stay healthy)
16 Yao Ming (will have a rough first year, but GOD this dude has upside)
17 Lorenzen Wright (injury-prone, enigmatic, no defensive presence)
18 Jake Tsakalidis (like Nesterovic, who knows if this guy gets much better or not)
19 Hakeem Olajuwon (turns 40 next year, injury-prone)
20 Zydrunas Ilgauskus (looked like a top five center before his foot problems)
21 Vin Baker (what a bum, Celtics fans will learn to hate him very quickly)
22 Eddy Curry (should move WAY up this list over the next few years)
23 Brendan Haywood (starts while Jahidi is on the IR, should keep the starting job when Jahidi comes back)
24 Adonal Foyle (GREAT shot-blocker, but no offensive skills whatsoever)
25 Jerome James (good shot-blocker, but that's IT)
26 Horace Grant (yes, he IS the starter at C for Orlando, believe it or not)
27 Jarron Collins (starts over Ostertag)
28 Joel Pryzbilla (not even the best player on the list with the letter "z" in his name)
29 Shawn Bradley (yes, Dallas insists that either Bradley or Eschmeyer will start)

I'm still tweaking my list, so any feedback is welcome.

Let the debate begin! Everybody provide their rankings--and make sure you provide commentary! I'll be honest with you, if you don't provide commentary, I don't even read the damn thing!

Go, people!
 

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theres no question that shaq is going to be #1, but i think ZO should be #2 in front of floppy divac.
 

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Even with foot problems Zydrunas Ilgauskus is top 10 boy are there alot of bums on this list.
 

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Originally posted by <b>AleksandarN</b>!
Where is Scot Pollard and Rebraca?
The might make some other list of centers who don't start, but this is a list of starting centers.
 

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mine:

1. Shaquille O'Neal- don't be a hater:upset:.
2. Alonzo Mourning- does his motor still have go in it?
3. Michael Olowokandi- has one more season to really break out.
4. Vlade Divac- finely tuned flopping machine, he got skills too.
5. Clifford Robinson- since he's playing center, he's right here.
6. Dekembe Mutombo- how old is he now? 45? :laugh:.
7. Elden Campbell- solid, but still has the smallest hands in the L.
8. Zydrunas Ilgauskus- if his foot is healthy he's pretty good.
9. Brad Miller- overrated, someone teach him some D other than the grab,pull,smack-Shaq...the guy is 1-D more than anyone.
10. David Robinson- he's partially numbed in his legs now.
11. Theo Ratliff- a comeback is in store for this shot-blocker.
12. Todd MacCulloch- solid but slow, agile but not athletic.
13. Iakovos Tsakalidis- finally showing glimpses of potential.
14. Marcus Camby- a broken twig most of the time.
15. Lorenzen Wright- the not as good Brad Miller.
16. Dale Davis- the shirt-ripping thing was great PR.
17. Radoslav Nesterovic- solid but still skinny.
18. Kurt Thomas- solid but glued to the ground.
19. Calvin Booth- good shot-blocker, over-payed.
20. Erick Dampier- waaay over-payed but decent.
21. Eddy Curry- he's finally getting in shape.
22. Jahidi White- 3rd in rebounds per 48 minutes.
23. Kelvin Cato- no Ming will not start, good D.
24. Horace Grant- soooooo old, his 401K is almost ready.
25. Vin Baker- his fat @$$ should be hung up for public kicking.
26. Erv Johnson- old but good D.
27. Shawn Bradley- better than peeps think, but he still sucks.
28. Greg Ostertag- can he even leave the hospital yet?
29. Eric Montross- Hakeem should hang up his boots.
 

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1. Shaq (obvious)
2. Zo (bad health but still #2)
3. Mutumbo (old and not a big time scorer but great rebounder and shot blocker)
4. Theo Ratliff (Injured lately but very nice when healthy, still pretty young and if he can get healthy he could pass up Mutumbo and even Zo)
5. Brad Miller (VERY underrated, one of the few real centers left)
6. Olowokandi (Overrated i think, but is still young and has lots of potential so we'll see)
7. Marcus Camby (Not really a center, way too frail, but still real good player. Could move up also if he could stay healthy)
8. Raef LaFrentz (I guess he's a center/PF pretty good for a white guy)
9. David Robinson (Former great playe, HOFer obviously. Old and a bit of a hasbeen but no where near the Ewing/Olijuwon hasbeen level, thank God he's retiring at the end of the upcoming season so he should never get to the Ewing/Olijuwon level.)
10. Yao Ming (Never seen him play but he could be great, will probaly rise up this list quick once the season starts)

Close to top 10: Dale Davis, Elden Campell, Vlade Divac, Bruno Sundov (jk)
 

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My thoughts...

Originally posted by <b>TheGoods</b>!
1. Shaquille O'Neal- don't be a hater:upset:.
2. Alonzo Mourning- does his motor still have go in it?
3. Michael Olowokandi- has one more season to really break out.
4. Vlade Divac- finely tuned flopping machine, he got skills too.
5. Clifford Robinson- since he's playing center, he's right here.
6. Dekembe Mutombo- how old is he now? 45? :laugh:.
7. Elden Campbell- solid, but still has the smallest hands in the L.
8. Zydrunas Ilgauskus- if his foot is healthy he's pretty good.
9. Brad Miller- overrated, someone teach him some D other than the grab,pull,smack-Shaq...the guy is 1-D more than anyone.
10. David Robinson- he's partially numbed in his legs now.
11. Theo Ratliff- a comeback is in store for this shot-blocker.
12. Todd MacCulloch- solid but slow, agile but not athletic.
13. Iakovos Tsakalidis- finally showing glimpses of potential.
14. Marcus Camby- a broken twig most of the time.
15. Lorenzen Wright- the not as good Brad Miller.
16. Dale Davis- the shirt-ripping thing was great PR.
17. Radoslav Nesterovic- solid but still skinny.
18. Kurt Thomas- solid but glued to the ground.
19. Calvin Booth- good shot-blocker, over-payed.
20. Erick Dampier- waaay over-payed but decent.
21. Eddy Curry- he's finally getting in shape.
22. Jahidi White- 3rd in rebounds per 48 minutes.
23. Kelvin Cato- no Ming will not start, good D.
24. Horace Grant- soooooo old, his 401K is almost ready.
25. Vin Baker- his fat @$$ should be hung up for public kicking.
26. Erv Johnson- old but good D.
27. Shawn Bradley- better than peeps think, but he still sucks.
28. Greg Ostertag- can he even leave the hospital yet?
29. Eric Montross- Hakeem should hang up his boots.
The Goods, you always do a great job on this board, and I love the commentary. Way to go, champ!

My thoughts:

1) Ilgauskus at #8? Whoa, that's a real reach, don't you think? And his foot problems are CHRONIC, last season is as healthy as he's going to GET from now on.

2) Yes, you're right about Brad Miller, no defense, but he CAN shoot and score, unlike the vast majority of NBA centers. I don't like him, either, but he'll have a big year next year, he'll get a big payday in the summer of 2003, too.

3) You need to take another look at The Admiral's stats from last season. Sure, he's a shadow of his former self, but he's still a top five center.

4) It's hard to rank Ratliff because he can't stay healthy. Same deal with Camby.

5) MacCulloch's playing time will go way up for Philly next year, and he is a very productive player, absolutely a top ten center.

6) Big Jake seems to be behind Nesterovic at this point, but who knows about those two, I sure don't.

7) There's something to be said for Dale Davis's consistency, his ability to play a lot of minutes, plus he stays healthy, so #16 seems pretty low to me. Big Jake and Lorenzen Wright can't hold Dale's jock.

8) Kurt Thomas is incredibly productive for the Knicks, he'd be better off as a PF or as a bench player, but he's a big player for New York. I agree that he's hard to rank because he's playing out of position, though.

9) I can't decide who starts in Seattle (Calvin Booth or Jerome James), I'll give James the edge because he started for the team last year, but who knows.

10) Adonal Foyle was starting at C down the stretch for the Warriors last year ahead of Erick Dampier, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt here, but again, it's a tough call.

11) Jahidi White begins the year on the IR, Brendan Haywood is MJ's boy (a fellow UNC alum), my guess is that Haywood begins the season as the starter and never looks back. White got a lot of "DNP--coach's decision"s last year.

12) The Rockets didn't draft Yao Ming #1 overall to not start over KELVIN CATO who is TERRIBLE. I GOTTA think that Ming starts.

13) Vin Baker, yeah, he's an abomination, the Celtics will really slip next year.

14) Pryzbilla starts in Milwaukee over Ervin Johnson, both dudes suck.

15) And Jarron Collins starts in Utah over Greg Ostertag.

Thanks again! I always appreciate your commentary, dude, good stuff, keep up the good work!

Who else? RE-RANK, PEOPLES! This can be fun! DEBATE!
 

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1 Shaquille O'Neal
2 Alonzo Mourning (Even playing rarely, he's 2nd best.)
3 Vlade Divac (Did anyone else catch those spin move baskets on Shaq?)
4 Michael Olowokandi (If he resigns with the Clippers for only one year, he'll be playing for a contract.)
5 David Robinson (still gets up and down OK)
6 Brad Miller (far from being a stiff in the paint)
7 Hakeem Olajuwon (Even hurt I would take him over JYD, Yogi, or Montross; Michael Bradley might even be his replacement.)
8 Dikembe Mutombo (still a defensive force)
9 Clifford Robinson (pulls opposing bigs out of the lane consistently)
10 Elden Campbell (will play a big role on the Hornets' march to the Eastern Conference Finals)
11 Todd MacCulloch (I have always respected his work ethic and his game!)
12 Kurt Thomas
13 Dale Davis
14 Theo Ratliff (please get healthy and block some shots)
15 Radoslav Nesterovic (really tough guy to rank)
16 Zydrunas Ilgauskus (He plays = Cavs win)
17 Jerome James (he's got defense covered; had some solid rebounding games; will break out this year)
18 Lorenzen Wright (We know he rebounds?)
19 Marcus Camby (I actually think he'll do well in his new surroundings.)
20 Vin Baker (He has to start so that Walter and Battie can bring it off the bench.)
21 Eddy Curry (UP-SIDE)
22 Yao Ming (He's really tall.)
23 Joel Pryzbilla (I really like his game: Karl is not a fool, yet.)
24 Horace Grant (He's not so tall.)
25 Jake Tsakalidis (On Draft night, this guy said Shaq wouldn't give him any problems.)
26 Eric Dampier (works hard)
27 Shawn Bradley (I like the way he starts fight with everyone!)
28 Jahidi White (strong like bull)
29 Greg Ostertag (Collins will start before the all-star break.)


In my SF and PF rankings I stayed as objective as possible because the talent at those positions warranted that level of objectivity. With the state of the Center position in today's NBA, I don't feel they deserve quite the same level of objectivity. This ranking contains a couple speculations that are uncharacteristic of my posts, but I do feel this order reflects my opinion well.

The Dampier/Foyle issue is not one I care to really discuss. I just think Dampier should start at C. He might not, but he should.

I put Zo above Floppy because of defensive presence vs. disrespect from refs because of "soft" defense.

Ming would be higher if I had ever really seen him play. Maybe they'll show him vs. Wallace and O'Neal in the Olympics. I'll be glued to the TV.

Last but not least, I predict a totally healthy season for Camby! Don't ask me why, but I really do!
 

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My top ten:
1.Shaq(DUH???)
2.Zo(Even they he is injured some time he is still the best C in the east)
3.Ben Wallace(if he can start to score some point he will probly move up to second)
4.Kandi(should have a break out year this year)
5.Divac
6.Tumbo
7.B.Miller(Should play huge part on the pacers this year)
8.Robinson
9.Wright(will atleast get 16 9 this year)
10.Campbell(Plays a huge part on the hornets every years)
 

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Just some comments...

Originally posted by <b>SUandLAC#1</b>!
3.Ben Wallace(if he can start to score some point he will probly move up to second)
He doesn't play C for the Pistons.

9.Wright(will atleast get 16 9 this year)
Why? Because he played 71 games in 00-01 and averaged 12.4 PPG or because he played in 75 games in 99-00 and averaged 6.0 PPG?
 

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RollWithEm...

Originally posted by <b>RollWithEm</b>!
7 Hakeem Olajuwon (Even hurt I would take him over JYD, Yogi, or Montross; Michael Bradley might even be his replacement.)
Here are the number of missed games over the past three years for Hakeem, who will turn 40 YEARS OLD in January:

2001-2002: 21 missed games
2000-2001: 24 missed games
1999-2000: 40 missed games

And here are his stats from last season:

61 games played (37 starts)
22.6 minutes/game
7.1 points/game
46.4 FG%
56.0 FT%
6.0 rebounds/game
1.1 assists/game
1.6 turnovers/game (0.67 A/TO ratio)
1.21 steals/game
1.48 blocks/game

So okay, I'll list him as a starter, I guess. He still should miss around 25-30 games next year, though--and he only played 22.6 minutes/game last year. But #7 overall? Over Mutombo, Cliff Robinson, Elden Campbell, Todd MacCulloch, and several others? No way.

29 Greg Ostertag (Collins will start before the all-star break.)
Collins took away Ostertag's starting job LAST year, believe it or not.

19 Marcus Camby (I actually think he'll do well in his new surroundings.)

Last but not least, I predict a totally healthy season for Camby! Don't ask me why, but I really do!
IF Camby stays healthy, which WON'T happen, he's obviously WAY higher than #19 overall. Take a look at his stats in 29 games last year for the Knicks:

29 games played (29 starts)
34.7 minutes/game
44.8 FG%
11.1 points/game
11.1 rebounds/game (!)
1.17 steals/game
1.72 blocks/game

He's obviously a top 10 center IF he's healthy, which he never is. I'd put a healthy Marcus Camby at #7, right behind Mutombo and right ahead of Brad Miller. But take a look at how many games this guy misses--keep in mind that he has plantar fascitis, a CHRONIC foot condition, it doesn't go away. Here's his missed games/season over his entire career:

2001-2002: 53 missed games
2000-2001: 19 missed games
1999-2000: 23 missed games
1998-1999: 4 missed games (the strike year)
1997-1998: 19 missed games
1996-1997: 19 missed games

19 or so missed games/season is bad enough, but 53? I don't know, I have a feeling that it's all downhill for Camby. We'll see.

Good job, though! RollWithEm, you always do a great job around here, way to go. Who else? LET'S HEAR IT, PEOPLES! Now is your big chance!
 

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Re-rank, people!

Let's get going on this here mother scratcher! No more Kobe-bashing, that $hit is SO OLD! RE-RANK THE STARTING CENTERS! And make sure you provide commentary!

Thank you sir may I have another! Thank you sir may I have another!
 

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Re: Just some comments...

Originally posted by <b>RollWithEm</b>!


He doesn't play C for the Pistons.



Why? Because he played 71 games in 00-01 and averaged 12.4
so cliff robinson shooting threes is more of a center then big nasty holding it down in the paint?
 

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the real list ........

forget about starters, your leaving out alot of real good centers just beccause they wont start, and in the center hungry league, you have to count all the good centers regardless of the fact if they start of come off the bench


1.daddy
2.Zo
3.matumbo
4.vlade
5.kandi
6.b.wallace
7.magliore
8.brad miller
9.antonio davis
10.elden campbell
11.curry
12.big Z
13.ratliff
14.lafrentz
15.dale davis
16.d.robinson
17.camby
18.maculluh
19.tsakalidis
20.wright
21.nesterovic
22.baker
23.ming
24.dampier
25.thomas
26.booth
27.bradley
28.pryzbilla
29.white
 

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1 Shaquille O'Neal-need I say more?
2 Alonzo Mourning-second best in a weak group
3 Dikembe Mutumbo-he can produce on both ends
4 Vlade Divac-solid producer
5 Michael Olowakandi-he is hard to rank-but he is solid.
6 Brad Miller-Actually Underrated.
7 Elden Campbell-Same as Miller
8 David Robinson-Big Factor in Spurs success
9 Zydrunas Ilgauskus-When he isn't injured...
10 Todd MacCulloch-Hard worker-not flashy but produces.
11 Theo Ratliff-same as Zydrunas
12 Kurt Thomas-Good Player-more of a PF
13 Dale Davis-Would be a lot better in East.
14 Clifford Robinson-Undersized,but still gets it done.
15 Marcus Camby-injured too often
16 Iakovos Tsakalidis-still a long way to go.
17 Radoslav Nesterovic-just average player
18 Vin Baker-when he is not depressed.
19 Hakeem Olajuwon-decent, but he needs to retire
20 Jerome James-has physical tools...
21 Jarron Collins-has potential, should be solid in future
22 Lorenzen Wright-dont know much about him...
23 Joel Pryzbilla-I think he is slightly underrated
24 Eddy Curry-potential is the reason he is here.
25 Shawn Bradley-give him a chance, he will be ok
26 Horace Grant-old,short...
27 Erick Dampier-not really good at
28 Jahidi White-he's strong???
29 Yao Ming-never seen him play-thats why he is last
 

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Re: Re: Just some comments...

Originally posted by <b>JOHNNY_BRAVisimO</b>!
so cliff robinson shooting threes is more of a center then big nasty holding it down in the paint?
I am not saying Ben Wallace shouldn't be the center for Detroit. I am simply pointing out that Clifford Robinson is their center. That's all.
 

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Re: the real list ........

Originally posted by <b>JOHNNY_BRAVisimO</b>!
forget about starters, your leaving out alot of real good centers just beccause they wont start, and in the center hungry league, you have to count all the good centers regardless of the fact if they start of come off the bench


1.daddy
2.Zo
3.matumbo
4.vlade
5.kandi
6.b.wallace
7.magliore
8.brad miller
9.antonio davis
10.elden campbell
11.curry
12.big Z
13.ratliff
14.lafrentz
15.dale davis
16.d.robinson
17.camby
18.maculluh
19.tsakalidis
20.wright
21.nesterovic
22.baker
23.ming
24.dampier
25.thomas
26.booth
27.bradley
28.pryzbilla
29.white
Magliore is the only one on your list who doesn't start, and you listed him as better than the man he sits behind.
 

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Originally posted by <b>JOHNNY_BRAVisimO</b>!
so cliff robinson shooting threes is more of a center then big nasty holding it down in the paint?
Yes he is.

Cliff starts at center.
Ben starts at power forward.
 

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Re: Re: the real list ........

Originally posted by <b>RollWithEm</b>!


Magliore is the only one on your list who doesn't start, and you listed him as better than the man he sits behind.
you will see how good magliore is this upcoming season, the reason he dosent start is because campbell is a veteran
 
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