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Who will be the best power forward in the NBA next season?

  • Tim Duncan

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  • Chris Webber

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  • Rasheed Wallace

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  • Antoine Walker

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  • Ben Wallace

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NOW, I'm still tweaking these rankings a little bit, and I'd LOVE some FEEDBACK! Let's get another discussion going, how about it?

Here are the 29 starting power forwards in the NBA, ranked #1-#29.

1 Tim Duncan, Spurs
2 Chris Webber, Kings
3 Rasheed Wallace, Trailblazers (should improve with age and maturity)
4 Antoine Walker, Celtics (has to play out of position again)
5 Elton Brand, Clippers
6 Ben Wallace, Pistons
7 Karl Malone, Jazz (hasn't slipped QUITE as much as people think)
8 Jermaine O'Neal, Pacers (disappears at times)
9 Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Hawks
10 Pau Gasol, Grizzlies
11 Kenyon Martin, Nets (needs to become a 20+ ppg scorer next year)
12 Antonio Davis, Raptors
13 Antonio McDyess, Knicks (probably will never be as explosive as before)
14 Raef LaFrentz, Mavericks (starts at PF but should play plenty of C)
15 Antawn Jamison, Warriors (incredibly overpaid but solid)
16 Juwan Howard, Nuggets (also incredibly overpaid, also solid)
17 Brian Grant, Heat (ALSO incredibly overpaid, ALSO solid--SHEESH!)
18 Derrick Coleman, 76ers (playing for a new contract in 2002-03)
19 Robert Horry, Lakers
20 PJ Brown, Hornets (also playing for a new contract in 2002-03)
21 Anthony Mason, Bucks
22 Darius Miles, Cavaliers (yeah, I still say he'll start at PF, not SF)
23 Tyson Chandler, Bulls
24 Vladimir Radmanovic, Sonics
25 Maurice Taylor, Rockets (should start ahead of Kenny Thomas)
26 Pat Garrity, Magic (not exactly a classic PF, but he can really shoot the three)
27 Joe Smith, Timberwolves (starts at PF, KG starts at SF)
28 Bo Outlaw, Suns (Amare Stoudemire ain't ready, people, he's 18!)
29 Christian Laettner, Wizards (starts at PF over Popeye Jones)

I'm making a few assumptions here, obviously:

a) Vin Baker starts at C for Boston, Tony Battie comes off the bench. If Baker starts at PF and Battie starts at C, well, who do the Celtics have to come off the bench? NOBODY! Seriously, Mark Blount is a goner, so is Rodney Rogers--this team's only other big guy BRUNO SUNDOV! If Baker starts at PF and Battie starts at C, the Celtics' first big guy off the bench is BRUNO SUNDOV! Which is why Boston needs Battie to come off the bench. Besides, Walker is USED to playing out of position, he's done well so far, right?

b) Pau Gasol is the PF in Memphis, Shane Battier starts at SF, Drew Gooden backs both of them up. Battier plays SF now, since the team is stacked at SG (Michael Dickerson, Wesley Person, Gordon Giricek), and besides, Battier is a better fit at SF, anyway. And Gasol is a better fit at PF, not SF.

c) I doubt that McDyess will ever put up the kinds of numbers he put up in Denver with the Knicks, and I doubt that he'll ever be nearly as explosive as he was in Denver because of the knee surgeries. A #12 ranking may even be TOO generous!

d) The Mavs are committed to starting either Shawn Bradley or Evan Eschmeyer at C after they got KILLED inside during the playoffs. Which means that LaFrentz will start at PF for Dallas. Will LaFrentz play a lot of C when they go with their smaller, more athletic lineup? SURE--but we're talking about STARTERS here.

e) I think that Darius Miles makes a lot more sense starting at PF for the Cavs in a smaller, more athletic, and more fan-friendly lineup. Besides, think about what the alternative is--starting either TYRONE HILL or CHRIS MIHM at PF instead! Murray-Miles is MUCH BETTER than Miles-Hill or Miles-Mihm.

f) Vladimir Radmanovic was starting ahead of Vinny Baker at PF down the stretch last season, and it's looking like the Sonics AIN'T gonna go sign a power forward this offseason, so Radmanovic will continue to start.

g) Maurice Taylor is locked up to a longterm contract in Houston, so the Rockets NEED to START him, and they WILL. Kenny Thomas is being shopped around, since the Rockets WON'T be able to re-sign him to an extension next summer (they have some major payroll problems). Maybe Thomas will end up in Cleveland? Seattle? Orlando? Philly? In any event, I have Eddie Griffin starting at SMALL forward for Houston, not POWER forward.

h) I ORIGINALLY had Jerome Williams as the starter at PF and Antonio Davis the starter at PF. But someone (RollWithEm, to be precise) has convinced me that the Raptors need The Junk Yard Dog's energy coming off the bench. Of course, that means that, when Hakeem Olajuwon goes down with the inevitable injury (or injuries) and misses 30-35 games, ERIC MONTROSS will have to start at center for Toronto. ERIC MONTROSS!

i) Yeah, I gotta think that Keon Clark is headed to Orlando (that's why they made the Don Reid trade the other day, to dump some payroll), where he'll obviously start at C. Horace Grant, believe it or not, was the starting C for Orlando last season, but, as we all know, he's a PF, not a C. Pat Garrity was the starting PF for Orlando last season, and he AIN'T a POWER FORWARD! Horace Grant moves to the starting PF spot, Garrity comes off the bench.

j) And Amare Stoudemire IS NOT READY TO PLAY IN THE NBA! He's a kid! He'll be lucky to get more than ten minutes/game next year. Scott Williams was signed because, well, this team is HURTING inside. Bo Outlaw starts at PF, Williams is the first big guy off the bench, Tom Gugliotta sits at the end of the bench, where he belongs.

LET THE DEBATE BEGIN!
 

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No way is Kenyon Martin better than Reef. Reef averaged 27ppg against NJ last year, and absolutely schooled Martin. I know Martin will get more attempts and all with KVH out, but still, he hasn't proven me anything. Same thing with Jermaine O'Neal, for 6 years people have been waiting to live up to his potential, and he hasn't done it. He had a semi-breakout season last year but choked against NJ in the playoffs.
 

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Miles will not start at PF he'll start at SF.

Eddie Griffin will start at PF over Maurice Taylor and Kenny Thomas. Nachbar will start at SF.
 

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Here's my Top 10:

1. Tim Duncan
2. Chris Webber
3. Rasheed Wallace
4. Jermaine O' Neal (Get ready for a bigger year)
5. Elton Brand
6. Antoine Walker
7. Shareef Abdur-Rahim
8. Ben Wallace
9. Pau Gasol
10. Karl Malone
 

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1. Duncan
2. Webber
3. Walker
4. RWallace
5. Brand
6. Malone
7. Shareef
8. BWallace
9. JO'Neal
10. McDyess
 

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1 Tim Duncan, Spurs
2 Chris Webber, Kings (this guy passes like Bird)
3 Antoine Walker, Celtics (under-sized, but super-skilled)
4 Ben Wallace, Pistons (plays D with desire)
5 Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Hawks (just remarkable)
6 Rasheed Wallace, Trailblazers
7 Kenyon Martin, Nets (should get 21-23ppg next year)
8 Jermaine O'Neal, Pacers
9 Antonio McDyess, Knicks (will explode in Gotham)
10 Elton Brand, Clippers (won't need to do as much as usual)

11 Antawn Jamison, Warriors (electrifying scorer)
12 Raef LaFrentz, Mavericks (blocks some shots)
13 Antonio Davis, Raptors (bench is too depleted not to have JYD on it)
14 Karl Malone, Jazz (a shell of his former self)
15 Pau Gasol, Grizzlies
16 Brian Grant, Heat (good 16 ft jump shot to go with hustle)
17 PJ Brown, Hornets (works harder than anyone)
18 Donyell Marshall, Cavaliers (sticking with my trade speculation from SF rankings)
19 Robert Horry, Lakers (another Laker who knows his role)
20 Tyson Chandler, Bulls (much improved... again)
21 Juwan Howard, Nuggets (zero athleticism)
22 Vladimir Radmanovic, Sonics
23 Joe Smith, Timberwolves (pretty far down for an overall number one in a stacked draft)
24 Popeye Jones, Wizards (assuming he re-signs with Washington)
25 Pat Garrity, Magic (assuming Keon Clark signs with Sacramento)
26 Derrick Coleman, 76ers (still not in shape)
27 Anthony Mason, Bucks
28 Maurice Taylor, Rockets (should start because of his contract)
29 Bo Outlaw, Suns (Scott Williams will be "Big Jake"'s veteran savior off the bench)
 

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Here is mine-I agreed with most of the things you assumed robyg-except that I think Antonio will play PF and Outlaw will start.

1. Tim Duncan (no question)
2. Chris Webber
3. Rasheed Wallace (has all the skills)
4. Elton Brand (way undersized for the west-but still performs)
5. Jermaine O'Neal
6. Shareef Abdur- Rahim
7. Ben Wallace (needs more offense)
8. Karl Malone (not done quite yet)
9. Antoine Walker (overrated)
10. Antonio Davis
11. Pau Gasol
12. Antonio McDyess
13. Kenyon Martin (overrated IMO)
14. Antwan Jamison
15 Reaf LaFrentz
16. Juwan Howard
17. PJ Brown
18. Brian Grant
19. Derrick Coleman (could be a lot better)
20. Robert Horry
21. Anthony Mason
22. Popeye Jones (underrated)
23. Darius Miles
24. Tyson Chandler (still a ways to go)
25. Joe Smith
26. Maurice Taylor
27. Bo Outlaw (too small)
28. Vladmir Radmonivic
29. Horace Grant (too old)
 

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IMX: Top 29 NBA Power Forwards Vol. I...

Player Positions based on ESPN Insider NBA Depth Charts...

1. Tim Duncan
2. Chris Webber
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Ben Wallace
5. Rasheed Wallace
6. Jermaine O'Neal
7. Karl Malone
8. Antoine Walker
9. Elton Brand
10. Shareef Abdur-Rahim
11. Antonio McDyess
12. Antawn Jamison
13. Pau Gasol
14. Antonio Davis
15. P.J. Brown
16. Kenyon Martin
17. Juwan Howard
18. Anthony Mason
19. Brian Grant
20. Tyson Chandler
21. Vladimir Radmanovic
22. Derrick Coleman
23. Tyrone Hill
24. Joe Smith
25. Popeye Jones
26. Samaki Walker
27. Maurice Taylor
28. Pay Garrity
29. Bo Outlaw
 

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Top 25 in order:
1 Tim Duncan, Spurs
2 Chris Webber, Kings
3 Rasheed Wallace, Trailblazers
4 Antoine Walker, Celtics
5 Elton Brand, Clippers
6 Karl Malone, Jazz
7 Jermaine O'Neal, Pacers
8 Antonio Davis,Raptors
9 Antonio McDyess, Knicks
10 Antawn Jamison, Warriors
11 Pau Gasol, Grizzlies
12 Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Hawks
13 Juwan Howard, Nuggets
14 Kenyon Martin, Nets
15 Raef LaFrentz, Mavs (if he plays pf)
16 Derrick Coleman, 76ers
17 Robert Horry, Lakers
18 Brian Grant, Heat
19 PJ Brown, Hornets
20 Anthony Mason, Bucks (if he plays pf)
21 Darius Miles, Cavaliers (if he plays pf)
22 Tyson Chandler, Bulls
23 Maurice Taylor, Rockets
24 Vladimier Radmanovic, Sonics
25 Joe Smith, Timberwolves
26 Jerome Williams, Raptors
27 Horace Grant, Magic
28 Popeye Jones, Wizards?
29 Bo Outlaw, Suns

Honorable mentions:

Tyrone Hill
Samaki Walker
Shawn Kemp
 

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1 Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs
2 Chris Webber, Sacramento Kings
3 Rasheed Wallace, Portland Trailblazers
4 Antoine Walker, Boston Celtics
5 Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons
6 Elton Brand, Los Angelos Clippers
7 Karl Malone, Utah Jazz
8 Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Hawks
9 Kenyon Martin, New Jersey Nets
10 Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana Pacers
11 Pau Gasol, Vancouver Grizzlies
12 Antonio Davis, Toronto Raptors
13 Antonio McDyess, New York Knicks
14 Antawn Jamison, Golden State Warriors
15 Raef LaFrentz, Dallas Mavericks
16 Robert Horry, Los Angeles Lakers
17 Juwan Howard, Denver Nuggets
18 Anthony Mason, Milwaulkee Bucks
19 Derrick Coleman, Philadelphia 76ers
20 Brian Grant, Miami Heat
21 PJ Brown, New Orleans Hornets
22 Tyson Chandler, Chicago Bulls
23 Eddie Griffin, Houston Rockets
24 Vladimir Radmanovic, Seattle Supersonics
25 Joe Smith, Minnesota Timberwolves
26 Tyrone Hill, Cleveland Cavaliers
27 Popeye Jones, Washington Wizards
28 Horace Grant, Orlando Magic
29 Bo Outlaw, Phoenix Suns
 

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Re: Re: Ranking NBA Starters by position, Part Two: The Power Forwards

Originally posted by <b>g-dog-rice</b>!
Top 25 in order:
1 Tim Duncan, Spurs
2 Chris Webber, Kings
3 Rasheed Wallace, Trailblazers
4 Antoine Walker, Celtics
5 Elton Brand, Clippers
6 Karl Malone, Jazz
7 Jermaine O'Neal, Pacers
8 Antonio Davis,Raptors
9 Antonio McDyess, Knicks
10 Antawn Jamison, Warriors
11 Pau Gasol, Grizzlies
12 Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Hawks
13 Juwan Howard, Nuggets
14 Kenyon Martin, Nets
15 Raef LaFrentz, Mavs (if he plays pf)
16 Derrick Coleman, 76ers
17 Robert Horry, Lakers
18 Brian Grant, Heat
19 PJ Brown, Hornets
20 Anthony Mason, Bucks (if he plays pf)
21 Darius Miles, Cavaliers (if he plays pf)
22 Tyson Chandler, Bulls
23 Maurice Taylor, Rockets
24 Vladimier Radmanovic, Sonics
25 Joe Smith, Timberwolves
26 Jerome Williams, Raptors
27 Horace Grant, Magic
28 Popeye Jones, Wizards?
29 Bo Outlaw, Suns

Honorable mentions:

Tyrone Hill
Samaki Walker
Shawn Kemp
JYD made the list and Ben Wallace didn't even get honorable mention?
 

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You are all wrong!!!

Vin Baker will be starting at PF. Antione Walker will move to his natural position at SF. Look:

PG:Tony Delk
SG:paul Pierce
SF:Antione Walker
PF:Vin Baker
C:Tony Battie


Got to get offline. My list to come later.
 

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Re: You are all wrong!!!

Originally posted by <b>Malakian</b>!
Vin Baker will be starting at PF. Antione Walker will move to his natural position at SF. Look:

PG:Tony Delk
SG:paul Pierce
SF:Antione Walker
PF:Vin Baker
C:Tony Battie


Got to get offline. My list to come later.
thats actually a pretty good lineup except for the point guard and center
 

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Re: You are all wrong!!!

Originally posted by <b>Malakian</b>!
Vin Baker will be starting at PF. Antione Walker will move to his natural position at SF. Look:

PG:Tony Delk
SG:paul Pierce
SF:Antione Walker
PF:Vin Baker
C:Tony Battie


Got to get offline. My list to come later.
Who plays PF off the bench??? Oh, and who plays center???
 

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I have a question for everyone. Do u guys think Webber can post up me personaly i dont i think he has no post up game. He gets most of his points on mid range jump shots. Feedback?
 

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Originally posted by <b>KBStAt</b>!
I have a question for everyone. Do u guys think Webber can post up me personaly i dont i think he has no post up game. He gets most of his points on mid range jump shots. Feedback?
That's sort of the whole basis of why Chris Webber is controversial. He's got a lot of talent as a PF, but he has 2 major drawbacks. 1) He doesn't post up as much as you'd think a PF should... and 2) He's not a very good clutch player.

So, to answer your question...I think he CAN, he just doesn't do it as much as he should.
 

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Webber gets most of his points from jumpshots, and also shoots a high percentage. I don't see why it should matter how you score as long as it goes in. You might say he needs to be a great inside presence but imo Vlade has one of the best post up games, in the game. He can post up and does with effectiveness just not as much as he could. He has a good jump hook but not the diversity of a Tim Duncan or Jermaine O'Neal. I still don't see why people get so hung up over how he scores, if it goes in it goes in, stop listening to Bill Walton.

As for him being not very clutch and I think thats obvious, and ver well (too damn well) documented. Name the most clutch players in the game and top10 and beyond will be a SF, PG or SG. Not many PFs are clutch. Nobody complains when Stockten takes the final shot instead of Malone but when Bibby shoots it instead of Webber all hell breaks loose.
 

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THIS IS THE REAL LIST

1.Webber-(Duncan is now a center, bank on it)
2.Dirk-(improving post game, needs better defense)
3.R.Wallace-(memories of 2000 keep him high)
4.Oneal-(may move up to #1 this year, we'll see)
5.Gasol-(yes, you heard it here first)
6.Mcdyse-(will come back big time)
7.Brand-(age gives him edge over Malone
8.Malone-(still brings it every game)
9.Reef-(i smell playoffs)
10.Kmart(more space to work with now)
11.B.Wallace-(limited O-game keeps him out of TOP 10)
12.Jamison-(solid player, gimme some 50 point games this year)
13.Howard-(do i smell contract year? he may put up monster numbers, we'll see)
14.Chandler(not quite breakout year, but solid season for tyson)
15.PJ. Brown(very solid)
16.Coleman
17.Baker
18.B.Grant
19.Mason
20.Horry
21.Taylor
22.Rodmanovic
23.Joe Smith
24.Hill
25.JYD
26.Outlaw
27.P.Jones
28.M.Rose
29.H.Grant
 

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Wallace is incredible

Top 5
1. Duncan - Day in and day out gets the job done
2. R. Wallace - Best shooting power forward other than Dirk and best post up PF other than Duncan
3. Dirk - Needs to work on defending on post up game and could become 1
4. Webber - He is great not amzing like the top three
5. J. O'neal - He would have been even better if he hadn't had to play behind Wallace in Portland for four years still very good player
 

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Did not mean to post thread meant to post a reply but still wallace is incredible
 
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