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People who genuinely listen and are in UVM circles have heard for a very long time about an absolutely toxic male culture surrounding the men’s basketball team and athletic department as a whole.

The public has heard about Kendall Ware’s accusations, and we’ve all long known who was accused. But over the last few days it seems a community of sexual assault survivors at Uvm have finally decided they’ve had enough. On Instagram (under the username shareyourstoryuvm survivors are coming forward and sharing horrific stories, many involving athletes and many involving other students. Other Instagram accounts over the last week shared stories of the school failing to respond to victims searching for justice and actively working to silence victims by having staff remove posters and chalk art demanding accountability.

But now the flood gates are opening. Among what has been accused is multiple Vermont players gang raping a girl so intoxicated and frightened she couldn’t consent. Anthony Lamb has been named and accused of having multiple rape victims while at Vermont (something many of us who have stayed connected to the school survivor community have long heard).

Hockey players and many others have been named. The accounts are really triggering reads for anyone connects with sexual assault.

how much longer does the athletic department, basketball program, school and conference pretend this isn’t going on?
 

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Drink a lot of water ball. And get some good movies ready. You should be fine in a day or two, or might not get any reaction (I barely had a reaction).

As for the OP, I think a good amount of UVM poster understand the situation and are not putting their heads in the sand. What happened last night on twitter and instagram may actually force the powers to be at UVM and the AE (likely will defer to UVM) to make a statement, finally.

This is the worst kept secret in the world. Heck, I had a chat with a member of the AE coaching community this fall (not UA based), and the allegations were well known in the coaching circle. UVM--whether the allegations turn out to be based on a solid foundation or not--have handled this very poorly in the public.
 

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Drink a lot of water ball. And get some good movies ready. You should be fine in a day or two, or might not get any reaction (I barely had a reaction).

As for the OP, I think a good amount of UVM poster understand the situation and are not putting their heads in the sand. What happened last night on twitter and instagram may actually force the powers to be at UVM and the AE (likely will defer to UVM) to make a statement, finally.

This is the worst kept secret in the world. Heck, I had a chat with a member of the AE coaching community this fall (not UA based), and the allegations were well known in the coaching circle. UVM--whether the allegations turn out to be based on a solid foundation or not--have handled this very poorly in the public.
I hope you're right about most UVM posters on this topic as so many of them are arrogant and have the hoiler than thou attitude. I think back to Coach Ken who was the biggest fan boy and would post this player's stats each day and those UVM fans boys who would get all giddy reading them. I still can't get over the AD's comment that people come to see that player play. Disgusting!
 

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I said it in the other thread, it would be like Ravens posters bragging about how good Ray Rice is and how well he's playing right after it came out he punched his girlfriend in an elevator.

A poster then told me it wasn't the right "time and place" to be talking about Anthony Lamb. Felt like I was taking crazy pills after reading that comment.
 

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Here are the two posts for the basketball team in question on Instagram:

http://instagr.am/p/COTEo3DrvL7/
http://instagr.am/p/COTmQDvrkBi/


If you were on the fence about this, or playing it down the middle as a UVM fan I think that time has expired. It is pretty clear there's a cultural problem here with the basketball team. I was absolutely disgusted when Kendall Ware came forward with her allegations at the school's response. I am now with these new allegations. There are no excuses. The entire UVM men's basketball coaching staff needs to be fired. Jeff Schulman and the athletic administrators responsible for allowing this culture to exist need to be fired. UVM fans that have not taken a stand against this need to take a stand against this. It is not in any way shape or form the program that should have your support. Those who will continue to support, know you are fully complicit and condoning this behavior.
 

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Sounds like the process is not working (or is working but not for the victim). UMBC has had issues with this so I’m by no means gloating.
 

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Here are the two posts for the basketball team in question on Instagram:

http://instagr.am/p/COTEo3DrvL7/
http://instagr.am/p/COTmQDvrkBi/


If you were on the fence about this, or playing it down the middle as a UVM fan I think that time has expired. It is pretty clear there's a cultural problem here with the basketball team. I was absolutely disgusted when Kendall Ware came forward with her allegations at the school's response. I am now with these new allegations. There are no excuses. The entire UVM men's basketball coaching staff needs to be fired. Jeff Schulman and the athletic administrators responsible for allowing this culture to exist need to be fired. UVM fans that have not taken a stand against this need to take a stand against this. It is not in any way shape or form the program that should have your support. Those who will continue to support, know you are fully complicit and condoning this behavior.
Are these new allegations of the UVM basketball team? I was linked to an a cappella group.

Just want to make sure I am not missing something. These new allegations are about someone unrelated to the basketball team?

Edit - Yup. Missed that the info was in the second picture in the instagram post. My bad.
 

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Been reading some of this on twitter and Instagram...I think it's important to remember these are allegations but the schools response to these allegations is so far incredibly weak, cowardice and borderline criminal. To continue to try and sweep this under the rug especially after the hockey hazing situation is absolutely abhorrent. True or not, lack of response by the school should immediately get the AD and the entire leadership of the athletic dept. fired. Where is the president of the school on this? If even a fraction of this is true about Lamb than Becker and the entire coaching staff needs to be let go immediately. It's hard to quantify (if true) just how big this story is and how depraved UVM is for doing nothing about it, in fact actively working to silence the accusers. This has the potential to do irreparable harm to the institution that is UVM and maybe even land some people in prison. Make no mistaken, this is an existential crisis and the president is completely silent. There are to many victims here to suggest they are all lying...UVM needs to recognize that this IS a crisis and then make the conscious choice regardless of how bad this will be in the short and medium term to do the right thing. Bring in an unbiased third party to do a thorough investigation, bring in state AG's office and have this matter fully vetted. Bring in people who will actually help the victims (if true) who are equipped to handle these things, these are someone's daughters.

This honestly is one the worst scandal's I've ever seen at any organization...it seems widespread, systemic, a school that has completely lost their mind and why they exist...I'd say lack of institutional control...but we are orders of magnitude beyond that.
 

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Here are the two posts for the basketball team in question on Instagram:

http://instagr.am/p/COTEo3DrvL7/
http://instagr.am/p/COTmQDvrkBi/


If you were on the fence about this, or playing it down the middle as a UVM fan I think that time has expired. It is pretty clear there's a cultural problem here with the basketball team. I was absolutely disgusted when Kendall Ware came forward with her allegations at the school's response. I am now with these new allegations. There are no excuses. The entire UVM men's basketball coaching staff needs to be fired. Jeff Schulman and the athletic administrators responsible for allowing this culture to exist need to be fired. UVM fans that have not taken a stand against this need to take a stand against this. It is not in any way shape or form the program that should have your support. Those who will continue to support, know you are fully complicit and condoning this behavior.
Frankly needs to go beyond the athletic department. The school administration itself needs a total cleaning house.
 

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Here are the two posts for the basketball team in question on Instagram:

http://instagr.am/p/COTEo3DrvL7/
http://instagr.am/p/COTmQDvrkBi/


If you were on the fence about this, or playing it down the middle as a UVM fan I think that time has expired. It is pretty clear there's a cultural problem here with the basketball team. I was absolutely disgusted when Kendall Ware came forward with her allegations at the school's response. I am now with these new allegations. There are no excuses. The entire UVM men's basketball coaching staff needs to be fired. Jeff Schulman and the athletic administrators responsible for allowing this culture to exist need to be fired. UVM fans that have not taken a stand against this need to take a stand against this. It is not in any way shape or form the program that should have your support. Those who will continue to support, know you are fully complicit and condoning this behavior.
Wait, I'm confused, this started as allegations that Lamb had raped Ms. Ware. In reading this, it appears the allegations are now of gang rape by UVM men's basketball team? Am I reading this right?
 

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There are multiple posts. One reaffirms that Lamb raped Kendall Ware, then goes on to say he has multiple victims that he raped (which many people connected up there have long heard). It says separately that members of the UVM basketball team participated in a gang rape.
Wait, I'm confused, this started as allegations that Lamb had raped Ms. Ware. In reading this, it appears the allegations are now of gang rape by UVM men's basketball team? Am I reading this right?
 

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Wait, I'm confused, this started as allegations that Lamb had raped Ms. Ware. In reading this, it appears the allegations are now of gang rape by UVM men's basketball team? Am I reading this right?
These are new allegations.

Kendall Ware came forward with her story in fall 2020, stating a men's basketball player raped her.

In two posts yesterday by this account, there are two allegations.

1) Lamb is accused of raping more than one woman at UVM (this is on the second photo in the post about UVM top cats)

2) Members of the UVM men's basketball team are accused of gang-raping a woman who was drunk and could not give consent and could not leave the situation because she was outnumbered and their physical size and strength would not allow her to leave. In the caption of this post, it states Lamb as the one who raped Ware.
 

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I can’t find the comments on Twitter but these are very serious. However did the admin and staff know about any of this? I know we know about Kendal ware other than that who knew what? Did admin follow protocol with ware? Was it referred to title 9 office. Is that where things broke down? Did admin know about anything other than ware? I know everyone wants blood which is a normal reaction but needs to be investigated first.

What pisses me off is apparently everyone knew everything yet not one person spoke up now those same people who n knew everything want everyone fired.

To think UVM posters have been sitting on their high horse talking about Binghamton, Broadus and co… this seems like a bigger deal. Rape vs stolen condoms? Rape vs taking a girls credit card? Rape vs drugs?
 

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I can’t find the comments on Twitter but these are very serious. However did the admin and staff know about any of this? I know we know about Kendal ware other than that who knew what? Did admin follow protocol with ware? Was it referred to title 9 office. Is that where things broke down? Did admin know about anything other than ware? I know everyone wants blood which is a normal reaction but needs to be investigated first.

What pisses me off is apparently everyone knew everything yet not one person spoke up now those same people who n knew everything want everyone fired.

To think UVM posters have been sitting on their high horse talking about Binghamton, Broadus and co… this seems like a bigger deal. Rape vs stolen condoms? Rape vs taking a girls credit card? Rape vs drugs?
Chill, throwing us all under the bus. A lot of us just kept quiet or refused to condemn Lamb based on the allegations of someone that not only didn’t want to press charges, but also didn’t publicly name him. A lot of us had absolutely no idea about any of this.

New/more information just became available, and there seems to be too much to dispute. Give us a goddamn minute to process the fact that a program we have loved for years or even decades may be complicit is an absolute atrocity. If true, Catpower is 100% correct. We need to do everything in our power to support these women and wipe the slate clean. If not, I’m done with UVM sports. I have 3 girls, I will not accept this.
 

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I can’t find the comments on Twitter but these are very serious. However did the admin and staff know about any of this? I know we know about Kendal ware other than that who knew what? Did admin follow protocol with ware? Was it referred to title 9 office. Is that where things broke down? Did admin know about anything other than ware? I know everyone wants blood which is a normal reaction but needs to be investigated first.

What pisses me off is apparently everyone knew everything yet not one person spoke up now those same people who n knew everything want everyone fired.

To think UVM posters have been sitting on their high horse talking about Binghamton, Broadus and co… this seems like a bigger deal. Rape vs stolen condoms? Rape vs taking a girls credit card? Rape vs drugs?
This is FAR bigger deal than anything that went on at Bing. And I keep putting in my comments that these are allegations. Let's all not forget the Duke case. It's important to demand an investigation but the right thing to do is not to be out for blood but out for truth.
 

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This is FAR bigger deal than anything that went on at Bing. And I keep putting in my comments that these are allegations. Let's all not forget the Duke case. It's important to demand an investigation but the right thing to do is not to be out for blood but out for truth.
The Duke case was one accuser with an incredibly troubling history, contradicted by another stripper who was there, and the story quickly fell apart.

While no one should be convicted prematurely, this is not in remotely the same galaxy as Duke lacrosse. This ia many, many different victims coming forward through different groups and channels.There was nothing questionable about Ware’s past, nor anything to cast doubt over her allegations other than a smear campaign by some in and close to the hoops program.

most rape victims never see justice and are rarely believed. Duke lacrosse, and other cases of false claims of rape are awful, but to shift the focus to that is skewing the realities, which is false accusations of rape are outweighed by about at 10:1 margin of rape victims who never get justice.

The reality is it takes most rape victims years to process their rape — the trauma involves so many layers, so much stigma, it’s such a violation of the most intimate and vulnerable part of our lives as humans, and most rapes are committed by current or former intimate partners, not strangers, so it takes such a long time to process them. People always say “why wasn’t it reported sooner? Why did it take so long?” And it’s because of how horrific a trauma it is on the human brain. For people who are raped, taking a long time to process it much less come forward is NORMAL it does not cast doubt on their credibility.
 

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Shoutout to the students that are brave enough to stand up against this BS. Speaking truth to power - I was definitely naiive thinking UVM was a magical little oasis in Vermont that didn't have the types of problems other schools had. This was part of the problem. Thank you shedding light on this dark side of UVM - hopefully since the school itself wont do anything, our legislature and community will step up to make the necessary changes. It won't be easy - but the brave students coming out and identifying and shedding light on this problem are heroes. Yes, these are just allegations - but if this many people are not satisfied with the process they received after reporting or being afraid to report - even if these are nothing more than allegations - they are signs of a defective system. It needs to be fixed at all costs.
 

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The Duke case was one accuser with an incredibly troubling history, contradicted by another stripper who was there, and the story quickly fell apart.

While no one should be convicted prematurely, this is not in remotely the same galaxy as Duke lacrosse. This ia many, many different victims coming forward through different groups and channels.There was nothing questionable about Ware’s past, nor anything to cast doubt over her allegations other than a smear campaign by some in and close to the hoops program.

most rape victims never see justice and are rarely believed. Duke lacrosse, and other cases of false claims of rape are awful, but to shift the focus to that is skewing the realities, which is false accusations of rape are outweighed by about at 10:1 margin of rape victims who never get justice.

The reality is it takes most rape victims years to process their rape — the trauma involves so many layers, so much stigma, it’s such a violation of the most intimate and vulnerable part of our lives as humans, and most rapes are committed by current or former intimate partners, not strangers, so it takes such a long time to process them. People always say “why wasn’t it reported sooner? Why did it take so long?” And it’s because of how horrific a trauma it is on the human brain. For people who are raped, taking a long time to process it much less come forward is NORMAL it does not cast doubt on their credibility.
We can discuss this further in our dms on twitter but I stand by what I posted. No one saying the alleged victims aren't to be believed...I simply call for presumption of innocence of the accused as our justice system demands. My concern is you running around on different mediums convicting everyone left and right...if even some of this turns out to be incorrect UVM can hold you liable via libel lawsuits. I understand your outrage and share it if this is true but you personally have the cart way in front of the horse. These are serious, life altering allegations that MUST be investigated and the entire truth disclosed.

No questions UVMs handling of this has been abysmal and state authorities need to step in, get to the FULL truth and then proceed accordingly with criminal and civil penalties. These are allegations UVM will not and should not be able to bury. But I wasn't born yesterday and am not willing to take out a wide broom and sweep everyone, guilty or not away. The light of truth needs to be shined in every dingy dirty corner of UVM as it relates to this... and then when the allegations are substantiated...DROP THE HAMMER on everyone involved.
 
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